[Newcomer FM] NFM64 | Game Over | Mafia Win

[Chemist1422]

Don’t need to get roleblocked if you die

[Bodhrak]

I should be here for EoD tomorrow so I don't see a reason to change my vote now.

[rightodude]

Sorry about not being that active, school just started up again for me. I’m having trouble putting together a read but tilted is kinda silent. It’s either because he’s doing stuff IRL or because he’s having trouble putting together a read. I feel like chemist is telling me the truth because his points are solid but it could be a hoax. Lynching will always give us info so I think I’ll just leave this here.
/vote tiltedcomedian

[Bodhrak]

Bach to my workday schedule.

For now I'm gonna

vote /rightodude

And get to sleep.

Oh, I get why my vote wasn't counted now. Silly half asleep me.
/vote rightodude

[MoustachioMario]

#Post 630

[Kears123]

Sorry in advance for the post wall.

Night results:

Flint9 - Nothing happened to them (SP)
rightodude - SP
Bodhrak - SP
Joeshe -
JuvenileFourtyTwo - SP
Kears123 - SP
0verki11 - SP
MoustachioMario - Knows no one visited him last night
Chemist1422 - rbed
TiltedComedian -
Eragon1329 - SP

9/11 claimed night results

Tlited and Joshe still need to say their night results. Unless I missed it... Tomorrow can we please say our night results in the first post?

EWBOP

Some thoughts I'd like to share:

I had nothing happen to me during night time.

That's good! Who do you think is scum/mafia and why?

I think that Tilted is scum, as he seems to be meming even after D1, and he seems to be trying to just shut down all accusations about him without good reasoning.

basically the same boat as Juve here.

tilted has been getting a lot of pressure for memeing the last page or two, and basically repeating the same thing and hopping on the wagon feels opportunistic

I mainly hoped on the wagon because I was feeling pressured to make an accusation by Kears with the "Who do you think is scum/mafia and why?", and I'm used to trying to hang with info and not just scum reads. I also, as you can tell from the prod, wasn't reading chat for a while, so I just tried to quickly think of who I thought might be sus without giving much time to think about it and read everyone's ISOs. I'm still a bit overwhelmed with all the posts, and the fact that I have to read through chat to read the posts because I'm not there in real time, so it will probably be a while before I start to actually make good scum reads.

I wasn't meaning that as pressure, just trying to engage you in convo. You have time and I know you're new so I get it.

Chemist care to explain how you're confirmed town?
There are so many new pages whenever I return so I end up skimming instead of reading.

Roleblocked by a consort

There’s a possibility I’m lying but any mafia experienced enough to try it knows it probably won’t work

You should softclaim

What's making you want him to soft? This feels off to me, I don't think a town would try even if it's a joke to get someone to claim, not in this game play with only TI and TP. ;/

Im pretty much always sticking on 24 today, Righto would probably be my next choice for a lynch, I dont know who I would choose as well, Im doing a rare 0verki11 wall/random posts when I finish school.

What does this mean?

Don’t need to get roleblocked if you die

Very very true.

I'm not even sure if everyone has posted their night results?
But it pretty much should be SP across the board.

I guess now we wait for flint or their replacement.
Then go with a PL.

we aren't PL'ing, especially not D2 after a town flip D1

+1

-wall over-

[Kears123]

#Post 630

???

[Bodhrak]

Im pretty much always sticking on 24 today, Righto would probably be my next choice for a lynch, I dont know who I would choose as well, Im doing a rare 0verki11 wall/random posts when I finish school.

What does this mean?

JuvenileFourtyTwo - 42 = 24? I'm just guessing here.

#Post 630

???

I have given up on Mario. I guess he's enjoying being the confirmed town for a change.

Good bye, see you close to EoD. Maybe we'll have some walls from Eragon and Overki11 then.

[Eragon1329]

Okay. Time for the legendary 0verkill reads:
So, looking through 0verkill's posts, there is a lot of apprehension to lynch whoever the latest wagon is. Including ph0ne and me. They were extremely strong on standing with their votes and consistently said whomever they voted for was scum no matter what.
If 0verkill is scum, then Chemist is probably scum buddy as 0verkill constantly defends Chemist

Wdym apphrehension to lynch whoever the latest wagon is?

Since you brought up yourself and Ph0ne, I believe you mean they are eager to get a lynch quickly, or eager to lynch the easy targets?

If that’s the case then.
what about Righto/Flint:/Joeshe hopping on Ph0ne/tilted/yourself when the wagons are up?


Hell what about you screaming for Mario to get quicklynched??

If 0ver is scum for being eager to lynch people, that means there are 5+ scum this game, including you(!)

Also chemist is basically confirmed town, so defending them isn’t THAT big of a deal?

By apprehension to lynch, I mean that they had literally no evidence other than "this is scum" (not actual quote, just paraphrasing) to put a vote on ph0ne.
Also, me saying that chemist is scum depends on a) If at least one other person says they had something happens to them overnights or b) If one person CC the roleblocked claim.

So, until everyone checks in, I'm going to keep my vote there so no one can say I was helping defend chemist if they are maf

so uhhh saying something that is basically "this is scum" as the argument to vote is scummy?

You didn't even say "this is scum"

you just said "Meh no one agrees with my opinion so im just going to /vote Ph0neix"

plenty of other people also didn't say anything for why ph0ne is scum, and hopped on the wagon.


I think if anyone had something or wanted to cc they would have said something by now.
also, i thought the reason you thought chemist is scum is because they faked the RB claim, so if thats the case why does something else need to happen?

[Eragon1329]

laughs in confirmed town

Let’s talk this through, though. Why are you voting me based on tinfoil?

i mean, you technically aren't confirmed town, but there is no reason you should be under suspicion rn

laughs in confirmed town

Let’s talk this through, though. Why are you voting me based on tinfoil?

Because, if anyone CC's your roleblocked claim, then there's the chance you are mafia, just clearing my name if that happens to come up.

but, for instance, if chemist was faking the RB claim, do you think they'd be stupid enough to RB someone else?

also that last part shows that you are purposefully doing something for towncred, which isn't a towny motive.

[Eragon1329]

Chemist care to explain how you're confirmed town?
There are so many new pages whenever I return so I end up skimming instead of reading.

Roleblocked by a consort

There’s a possibility I’m lying but any mafia experienced enough to try it knows it probably won’t work

You should softclaim

thats a big :thonk:

[Eragon1329]

FML I got caught up doing things and only got 4 done.

I’ll try to finish it up tommroow and post them all.

Wellwerewaiting.gif

im sawwy, i have something like 4 hours tonight to do hw and do reads, im hoping i get it done tonight

But if they are both town your suggested “PL” makes 2 mislynches in a row if we chose to believe that.

Also, if you think someone is scum, fuck the info and just lynch them so we see blood(red flip).

also, if you think righto is defending juvenile(as stated by your post above the quoted), and you think they are both mafia, then that wouldn’t be “all the buddies bussing juve” that would be “one buddy is scumreading juve, or even less if someone else inactive is scum”

I'm not sure they are both town. And I at least hope we will have something else to go on D3.

I feel I forced righto into scumreading juve to not seem scummy himself, so that doesn't clear him for me. Him prefering tilted over juve I see as a weak defense as explained before.

im not saying you think they are both town, hell, i doubt both of them flip town too.

but the thing is, if, they both flip town, and we lynch them for "PL" reasons, thats 3 mislynches in a row with no wagon information

[Eragon1329]

Im pretty much always sticking on 24 today, Righto would probably be my next choice for a lynch, I dont know who I would choose as well, Im doing a rare 0verki11 wall/random posts when I finish school.

What does this mean?

JuvenileFourtyTwo - 42 = 24? I'm just guessing here.

#Post 630

???

I have given up on Mario. I guess he's enjoying being the confirmed town for a change.

Good bye, see you close to EoD. Maybe we'll have some walls from Eragon and Overki11 then.

oh believe me, it will be the mother of all wally wallisters If i ever get around to making it

[Eragon1329]

Flint9- null scum, mainly just no ISO except sheeping onto tilted.
Spoiler: -fully inactive D1, which can be attributed to the mod funny business, so thats NAI
-Day 2 says SP and calls tilted for being scum and meme’ing, after tilted wagon has gained traction and is already expressed that the memes do continue through Day 2. I talked about this in thread already, I think this is opportunistic and wolfy, but also like 2 other people did the same thing so I doubt they are all scum.

Rightodude- null scum as well, some towny things but also quite a few scummy things.
Spoiler: -mod funny business
-hops in scum reading ph0ne for being “ultra sketchy”? And said we all think Chemist is scum? And then when chemist replies with “???” Righto says he will think of chemist as null.
-makes the post about lynching an invest being bad, which from anyone not a newbie I’d consider LAMIST, but I guess it makes sense from a newbie POV.
-votes ph0ne and says “why he shouldn’t be lynched” without any other reasons. Also, he answered the question meant for joeshe :shrug:
-When he makes the post about “i agree with chemist that Bodhrak is acting weirdly and Mario might not be telling the truth so he isn’t nightkilled” I see multiple perspectives here. 1)he could be mafia rolefishing ( I doubt it) 2) he could be town or mafia that just forgot that Mario got confirmed as town, which IMO seems more likely to be from town. So this post gains some towny points, but also kinda sheeps chemist regarding Bodhrak as well.
-When I push him about his Ph0ne progression, his first response Is deflecting saying “I didn’t do much, it was other people like Mario” and then when I continue pushing that, he does explain it. I don’t think he gets that much credit for explaining his ph0ne vote after the fact, but I do like that he had reasons. I think its a fairly towny post, especially admitting that he was influenced by the thread, but saw his own reasons as well.
-says he doesn’t think Joeshe is scum? When joeshe had the amazing amount of 2 posts in his ISO.
-finally, he says “I don’t think there is enough evidence, some scummy some not and people make mistakes… but ill probably vote tilted” which doesn’t make sense to me overall.
Bodhrak- Town Lean overall I can see quite a few scummy posts and I definitely see why people scumread him, but I personally feel he has been pretty transparent in some progressions and I Like how involved in the game he is getting, especially for a newbie, I feel thats the main reason I think he is town, just because the first time newbies playing mafia are normally frozen and have trouble acting natural. I could be getting duped here but I feel this flips town.
Spoiler: -Damn Bodhrak has a long ISO
-There is a lot of stuff I like but also quite a bit of stuff I find scummy.
-they start off by calling Chemist and Mario’s votes “pointless”
-makes some weird posts like “its weird no one put me” and “please don’t think im defending ph0ne”
-I really really liked how he started off with the readlist, even if it had room to be desired. It shows an intent to gamesolve, which for a newbie, I find to be an extreme town tell. So this is one of my main reasons I have a strong townread on them.
-his vote on Ph0ne is meh, but at least he had some interaction through the thread
-his kinda like omniscient attitude towards Juve for the hammer like “that hammer was fishy but also nooby.” He didn’t really make a conclusion, just said it was both fishy and nooby, implying towny.
-makes another readlist, which still I feel is towny
-he says lynching Juve gives us info, but then later will say that Juve doesnt give info, so ???
-rolefishes that chemist was softing TI, which is ???
-i agree about the not claiming stuff, but overall thats kinda NAI
-votes tilted, but being one of the first to express suspicion I think its not bad.
I dislike the fact that he keeps shading Juve like “Weak excuses/You are my top scumread, but doesn’t vote him, and instead votes the weaker pushes of Tilted and Righto.
His talk about PL’ing disgusts me, but I can kinda see it from a newbie perspective. Also all the lynching for info stuff, at times, that can be an ok play, but like 90% of the time you Lynch who you think flips scum.
Says that he leans more on the town side than the bussed side for juve, but still scum reads him?



Joeshe- scum lean
Spoiler: -votes Ph0ne without progression except “meme gone south” and shades Bodhrak in a sort of OMGUS.
-His next post is really careful, like “i don’t really remember what I posted, so… maaaaybe? But im not going to defend Righto JUST INCASE he is scum, but I wont scumread him either. Says he thinks juve is scummy, but then asks for other players to make the case and “Convince his vote.” Oh, and also, anyone who doesn’t needs to defend juve?
-He’s posted like 3 different times out of 5 posts why he is inactive, which pings as over-reactionary.

JuvenileFourtyTwo- Scumread, he backtracks often, and scum reads multiple people for things that he did as well. He is unable to provide reads until pressured, and then comes out with 3 baseless scum reads but no strong townreads(Except Mario obviously). He cries for a quick hammer on mario, after voting Ph0ne and hammering him too, and he rolefshes.
Spoiler: -he starts of saying Ph0ne took the vote out of hand, but then also says Mario is scummy for taking it too seriously, either intentionally or otherwise, and states that ph0ne was making an “obvious joke” and says Chemist and Mario are in “kahoots.” This post pings as off to me because he is saying that Ph0ne took it too far(implying scum) while defending ph0ne(implying town) and pushing chemist and Mario(implying buddies).
-wants to Lynch Mario because it gives “information” and says if Mario flips town, Lynch ph0ne. As others have stated, this is scummy because its pushing an agenda of Mario > Ph0ne who are both town.
-pushes a no-lynch, which is just something to note, but not neccesarily scummy coming from a newbie.
-a lot of no-lynch posts
-and then suddenly backtracks on everything. Votes ph0ne, after defending him. Votes for a lynch, after proposing a no-lynch, and the vote is the hammer. I feel this was all just meant to Lynch Ph0ne before he had a chance to claim his role or defend himself firmly.
-Defends himself by saying, “Yeah I know I messed up, and I’m really sorry, its a good play to Lynch me here because I messed up, but I’m town” which rings both as forced and as AtE
-tries to get a quick hammer on Mario, after saying he wasn’t ready for a Lynch yet.
-makes like 4 more posts on quick hammering… again.
-avoids giving scum reads originally, which could be a sign of frozen wolf(it could be frozen town too so its not that big of a deal just something to note).
-“i understand why you want to Lynch me, but you are wrong” more AtE
-the whole stuff about Righto and Joeshe being “Friendly” seems like just seeing what sticks and what doesn’t.
-scumreads tilted for memeing…. Which 2+ people did just before him.
-and then he comes back to say “im doing the same thing” to flint, which means he scum read tilted for doing what he himself is doing???
-wants to Lynch tilted, but agrees that if tilted is scummy, he is scummy????
-calls 0ver scum for voting ph0ne without reasoning, when thats like, nothin compared to other things. I expanded more on this in other posts. Also goes into the 0ver/Chem buddy agenda?
-lots and lots of tinfoil on Chemist, even voting Chemist(i also expanded on this in other posts)
-rolefishes telling chemist to softclaim, which is ??? From a town perspective.
Kears123- null, NGL I see some scummy things, but not a lot is something I’d make a scum case over, they’ve been a bit over-enthusiastic IMO, but I think thats just normal Kears, and they haven’t provided much content, but I’m waiting for their readlist.
Spoiler: -eh im kinda having trouble making a read here
-about mario, says “i think this is town meta but I haven’t seen him be this jestery” which implies that its not town meta?
-votes juvenile for the vote on Mario, but not really saying anything before? I mean, the vote was bad but like, is that the only thing you scum read him for?
-some of their posts ping me as a bit OTT happy, thats why I asked if it was normal for Kears, like “You can do it if you try!!!” And “Thats good!” To someone saying they SP.
-kinda has avoided making reads, and instead is very reactionary and just responding to posts without making much of a conclusion. Im not sure if this is necessarily scummy, but I’m keeping it in mind.
Mario- confirmed town
Spoiler: -Literally mod confirmed town
-Literally mod confirmed town
-Literally confirmed town
-confirmed town
-town

0verki11- Town lean, this is really weak for me, but I’ve seen some towny things, nothing that can’t necessarily be faked by scum, but I soulread this as town.
Spoiler: -first page is memes(noting to self)
-calls Ph0ne’s post out in “holy shit this post is scummy” which was explained further but I still don’t see it,
-Like their posts on the lynching topics, but could be faked.
-basically the above about quick hammering
-votes juve for voting mario, same as years ig. But also pushes it asking further about the reasoning. Town points for following up.
-just a gut feel I have.

Chemist1422- near-confirmed town
Spoiler: -claimed role blocked and I see no reason to doubt that claim. Plus they’ve been towny.
TiltedComedian- town lean, weak but gut read here too
Spoiler: -memes
-wall is p.towny-ish
-push on Mario is an interesting perspective(and I think its towny for having an opposing view and sticking to it)
-second wall is fine
-i heavily disagree with his Bodhrak read
-even if its self-meta, I like his posts about his play and I gut-read that town as well
-WIFOM noice

Eragon1329- Literally me
Spoiler: -Literally me
-Me
-Literally me
-Eragon1329
-Super smash Bros Ultimate

[Eragon1329]

I got lazy towards the end, enjoy :3


TT-{Chemist, Mario}
TL-{Tilted, 0ver, Bodhrak}
N-{Kears}
NS-{Righto, Joeshe, Flint}
S-{Juve}

[Eragon1329]

/vote Juvenile

[Chemist1422]

"Super Smash Bros Ultimate" lol

I'm really concerned that all of your scumreads are on newbies.

[Eragon1329]

"Super Smash Bros Ultimate" lol

I'm really concerned that all of your scumreads are on newbies.

so am I ngl

but i lets go through the experienced players

Me- i know im town
You- you are confirmed town
MArio- confirmed town
Tilted- towny tone IMO
0ver- this is my weakest townread, but like, i didnt see anything scummy in their ISO

[Chemist1422]

"Super Smash Bros Ultimate" lol

I'm really concerned that all of your scumreads are on newbies.

so am I ngl

but i lets go through the experienced players

Me- i know im town
You- you are confirmed town
MArio- confirmed town
Tilted- towny tone IMO
0ver- this is my weakest townread, but like, i didnt see anything scummy in their ISO

tinfoiling 0ver mafia tbh

Don't remember anything from them that I like

[Eragon1329]

basically me

i didnt see anything i disliked

but there wasn't anything that like, put me "wow i think this is strong town"

they had a couple town points and a couple scum points

[Kears123]

Remind me what tinfoiling means? I'll be away for a majority of the day tomorrow.

[Joeshe]

@Eragon , I explain why I'm inactive because everyone decides to use that as a "read" to make me seem scummy. How else am I supposed to defend myself? Also my careful post is the result of your first reason. Because I lynched phone I wanted to make sure I don't lynch another townie because of a wagon. I asked for other people's reasons to vote juve because I want to study their reads and gain some experience. This is my first game after all.

[Joeshe]

Also Night 1 results were that I slept peacefully.

[MoustachioMario]

/vote Juvenile

/vote Juvenile

[Varanus]

Current Vote Count

Player	Votes	Voters
	#	Votes Until Majority

Not voting:
Joeshe

End of Day 2: