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Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 2 | Grandport

PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:47 am
by Nellyfox
Jerme wrote:@Nelly: I just meant that I died in my first FM-like game (this is my second) in the first night, so I am just happy to see day 2, which I've added as my personal main goal in my own thoughts channel. And then I replied to Naru, who told he was tired (so this was a more or less offtopic talk).

does that mean you slept peacefully (you too, naru)

Arckas wrote:Normally statement like with what happened to someone at night are expected to be brought up and generally believed. Maybe later evidence pops up that question if they are real or not, but otherwise believed they are. The fact people aren't believing in ordinate statements of being claiming to be roleblocked suggests there is evidence that would question the legitimacy of that claim, but so far nothing substantial other then gut and "feeling forced" have been used as a counterpoint.

Saying that the targets for being roleblocked make no sense is also flimsy reasoning. It's day 1, anyone can be anything. Using and RNG generator for day 1 is a reasonable choice.

To the people doubting these statement out of hand for flimsy reasoning really makes me feel like they have an ulterior motive.

who are you talking to here

ender never format a post like that ever again

Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 2 | Grandport

PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:49 am
by enderitem
Nellyfox wrote:ender never format a post like that ever again

I can make a post for each quote if you want. :^)

Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 2 | Grandport

PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:50 am
by Arckas
I'm getting Tormental flashbacks.

You are one of them, Nelly.

Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 2 | Grandport

PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:52 am
by Nellyfox
enderitem wrote:
Nellyfox wrote:ender never format a post like that ever again

I can make a post for each quote if you want. :^)

i would prefer that than the monstrosity you presented us with

Arckas wrote:I'm getting Tormental flashbacks.

You are one of them, Nelly.

i have like an iq of 2 please restate and be specific :(

Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 2 | Grandport

PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 11:05 am
by Arckas
A statement as simple as claiming to be roleblocked isn't by itself a statement to be suspicious of. You'd need to possess some knowledge in the background as town to be suspicious of. There is absolutely no concievable way you can have that knowledge regardless of role and information received. Maybe any proceeding day after this one, but not today.

"Feeling forced" is way too lame an excuse. What reasoning do you have?

You are not the only one guilty of this. Mela has also expressed that because the RB targets are illogical, they are strongly false. She has since rescinded that.

Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 2 | Grandport

PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 11:15 am
by Nellyfox
Arckas wrote:A statement as simple as claiming to be roleblocked isn't by itself a statement to be suspicious of. You'd need to possess some knowledge in the background as town to be suspicious of. There is absolutely no concievable way you can have that knowledge regardless of role and information received. Maybe any proceeding day after this one, but not today.

"Feeling forced" is way too lame an excuse. What reasoning do you have?

You are not the only one guilty of this. Mela has also expressed that because the RB targets are illogical, they are strongly false. She has since rescinded that.

of course it's not. i already said i'm wary of tp's claim because of my gut first impression to the death note. i don't have any knowledge and i never said i did.

realistically there's no conceivable way anyone can have any knowledge in this subject unless their role grants them such. is that to say my or anyone else's speculation of such is false, if we arent an investigative role?

like i said idk words. forced is the best word i could use. i already gave you my reasoning. first impression on the DN backed up by tp's first post rubbing me the wrong way as well as his reaction to my suspicion on him.

the rb targets are not illogical depending on the timeline we are following. i can lay out every scenario if you want me to but thats not important for this post specifically

Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 2 | Grandport

PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 11:32 am
by Arckas
Nellyfox wrote:
Arckas wrote:A statement as simple as claiming to be roleblocked isn't by itself a statement to be suspicious of. You'd need to possess some knowledge in the background as town to be suspicious of. There is absolutely no concievable way you can have that knowledge regardless of role and information received. Maybe any proceeding day after this one, but not today.

"Feeling forced" is way too lame an excuse. What reasoning do you have?

You are not the only one guilty of this. Mela has also expressed that because the RB targets are illogical, they are strongly false. She has since rescinded that.

of course it's not. i already said i'm wary of tp's claim because of my gut first impression to the death note. i don't have any knowledge and i never said i did.

realistically there's no conceivable way anyone can have any knowledge in this subject unless their role grants them such. is that to say my or anyone else's speculation of such is false, if we arent an investigative role?

like i said idk words. forced is the best word i could use. i already gave you my reasoning. first impression on the DN backed up by tp's first post rubbing me the wrong way as well as his reaction to my suspicion on him.

the rb targets are not illogical depending on the timeline we are following. i can lay out every scenario if you want me to but thats not important for this post specifically

There isn't a way for you to know even if you are an investigative role which is why I'm confident that i'm not going to do with what I accidentally did to TurdPile.

If that's your reasoning, so be it.

Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 2 | Grandport

PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 11:51 am
by RockFire
Heyo, mind giving your thoughts on things? I expected some coasters but not you and I'm kind of feed up waiting for you to say something relevant since you're active elsewhere on the forums but not here.

/vote Schultz

In other news, I see Ender has joined the wall building coalition. And to clarify the Rick situation, I was curious to see what he'd do when I said this:
Spoiler:
RockFire wrote:Rick seems Town then for responding to me the way he just did considering he spent most of it yelling at me that I'm wrong about what he said being fluff considering he's super offended by the idea. Wanted to see what he'd say being poked.


And he dropped the matter without ever raising a question to anything I was doing when I'm not particularly known for looking for reactions. Seems super complacent to me. Not liking his absence for over a day from the thread either just because Rick is usually more active from what I remember if he's town.

Lex also was sort of activish D1 and just decided to drop off the face of the earth now. Newbie scum do tend to avoid the thread and not say much to avoid slipping and do tend to hide when confronted.

TLDR Rick being not around as much as I assumed he would be feels wrong to me. Schultz and Lex are scummy for no activity even though it's been enough time to make more than 3 - 4 or less posts. Nhero and Max have at least said something instead of essentially nothing.

Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 2 | Grandport

PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 12:07 pm
by Nellyfox
hey what the heck rockfire i told you to meet me in the pit

Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 2 | Grandport

PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 1:06 pm
by Metrion
enderitem wrote: Spoiler:
Metrion wrote:Thoughts

Ender thinking the people who he wants to dome today, don't deserve his vote is really killing me right now.

R*ck making walls. I like Os post about Ender/Lex. I is town for the time being.

Mel is unreadable for me but I think that'll be cleares up once we start getting wagons.

I'd be elated if I had two consorts in my mafia. I don't think that Naru post was weird.
Why are you censoring Rick and why are you focusing so much on a matter I have already explained. It does nothing but irk me.


I'm referring to R(o/i)ck.

I'm sorry if you think voting for someone who you want to lynch is a strange concept.

Nellyfox wrote:z

Spoiler:
Naru2008 wrote:/Died Horribly


Kidding. Too soon?

Damn I'm tired. What about the rest of the lot of you?

hey what does this mean

Arcthurus wrote:
RockFire wrote:The presence of it says more than the substance I say. Considering you never need to leave a death note in Mafia ever which I would assume people would do if they're fairly inexperienced. This points to one or more people that know what they're doing in the mafia with the kill and the DN even existing.


see? this ain't it, chief

this ain't it either my guy
rock's being dumb but it's not like the mafia is a lone player right now

Jerme wrote:yay I am able to wake up from my peaceful to see d2.
@Naru: I am sleepy too.

hey what does this mean

Arckas wrote:Interesting reveal. We have to roleblockers.

I understand why TurdPile is irresistible, but me? Someone had to make the tactical choice. Was it something I said yesterday?

did you even say anything day 1?
i'm commentating this as i go along so if someone points it out later sry but you were definitely a tactical choice for being roleblocked

RockFire wrote:
melanora wrote:Thoughts on which alignment would RB who?


Seems like both were quiet and in that gray area really so I don't think we can pin down an alignment this early

false

enderitem wrote:
Schultz128 wrote:not only was gent n1'd

not only was gent the cop

gent the cop got fucking n1'd in a mod game

nerds

This should be the usual reaction.
Guzame wrote:That's... An interesting choice for a night 1 kill. I assume they picked Gent because they were one of the least likely players to be protected tonight?

I'm looking at the death note, trying to think of who'd leave a message like that. It's got a surprising amount of personality to it, especially with a Lenny face of all things. It's not something I'd expect a lot of players to use. But then again, it could be done on purpose to make the more "memey" players look suspicious?

It's probably not worth it to pursue that line of thinking for now.

Not this. Explain further, guzame.

if we're using the meta game here then that is perfectly a reasonable reaction

melanora wrote:Arckas for the scum RB and TP for the town RB.

Arckas can get away with a lot of stuff, I feel, whereas RBing TP just seems wayward and something a player without a lot of experience would do.

i'm glad we're practically on the same page

melanora wrote:The more that I try to analyze WHY ARCKAS, it doesn't make sense. Like it literally doesn't.

You were quiet D1. I don't see any real logic behind it.

why would you even say what you just said and then make a complete u-turn
arckas' FM prime was prior to 5c (sorry pal i cant forgive you believing the jailor claim when they were an SK) which several people here are familiar with. so, if we're dealing with at least one consort (which i strongly believe), then one of those old-but-gold players is on the mafia, or, if the entire mafia just happens to be inexperienced players, they got intimidated. by the fact arckas can get away with a lot of stuff, like you said.
like even in vldr arckas is crazy good. it's natural to be intimidated by him, so i wouldnt be surprised if an escort got him either

Rickdaily12 wrote:I really don't like this post from Guzame.

I feel that speculation about especially the Night 1 kill in particular, but also the death note, are talking points that Scum would often use to try to push conversation forward in a meaningless way that wouldn't really go anywhere useful. Especially when he goes on to tack on a "probably not worth talking about this line", because then he pretty much admits the whole post is fluff in the first place.

Like, I don't know, I just imagine him as being more productive as Town if he acknowledges the pointlessness of the topic.

idk rick i'd say something like that too if i'm being completely honest
it's not like there's a ton to go off immediately after day start
also is it even fluff when people continue down the line of thought anyway

Rickdaily12 wrote:I want to say something about the Consort/Escort hypothetical but I honestly don't know what to say or how it helps us get anywhere. How will we know if there's two Escorts or two Consorts given what we know? However, THIS:

Naru2008 wrote:Could also be two Consorts, if we are going to give possible outcomes.

There's also the possibility someone is lying about being roleblocked.

This post sticks out like a sore thumb and I don't understand why Naru says especially this last line. :|

I will say that I doubt that Mafia has two Consorts if only because I'd be pissed to be a Mafia member and discover two Consorts. When will you ever need THAT MUCH rolestopping power? Honestly, at that point, I'd probably just get one of the Consorts to stop someone while the other one performs the factional kill. Why waste anyone else's action?

ok rick let's talk, meet me in the pit

RockFire wrote:Rick seems Town then for responding to me the way he just did considering he spent most of it yelling at me that I'm wrong about what he said being fluff considering he's super offended by the idea. Wanted to see what he'd say being poked.

um

RockFire wrote:Naru, saying someone is lying about being RBed as a sound strategy is flawed. No Town would say it since it would be pointless to lie to the rest of the town. No Neutral would lie about that either considering it's super easy to point out if they're RBed everyday or 1 RB disappears without an RB role dying. Mafia would be the only ones to perpetuate a lie like this and it would serve only to out them since they'd have to ping pong the RB claim between the four of them.

MEET me in the pit i swear to god

RockFire wrote:Also, it's been just about 24 hours and everyone besides Nelly has said something in this thread. I'd like to hear her thoughts on people as well considering she was fairly active during D1 memes but not anymore.

i know i already apologized here (and to you) but just because you namedropped me i feel obligated to apologize again
so sorry and i actually told ender i'd be away this weekend when he asked me to play but not that that actually matters anymore

Guzame wrote:But besides that, let's see at what information we have so far. we have one death, and two players claiming to be roleblocked. Every other player claims they did not have anything happen to them.

hey what the heck guz i didnt even say anything yet

Arckas wrote:I'm not someone who is used as an example of a good FM player. In fact whenever I'm asked about FM I tell people that I hardly know FM anymore as it's changed so much from source material and the last time I played it. Why does RockFire assume I'm good?

4b
(vldr2)


TurdPile wrote:Flipping the coin, I feel Nelly is quite evil. Although I can't point towards a definitive source as to why, it has been nagging me since the day 1 talks. This is only reaffirmed in my mind by her most recent accusation based on the death note given. We'll know soon enough whether this feeling of mine is genuine or completely led astray, I suppose. But either way, I'm going to put my foot down with my gut feeling here: /vote Nellyfox.


i know it was 4am for you but i would like to know what your basis on this is

so now that i am here

NheroArconix wrote:Slept Peacefully.

am i the only one who finds this suspicious

re: escort vs consort (aka the pit)
personally i believe we are dealing with one of each, if the roleblock claims are to be believed. however, i do not trust in both arckas and tp's claims. in fact, i actually believe tp is lying. with my first impression of the death note (which, again, if we're gonna use the ~ meta gaming ~ line of thinking, if my memory isnt failing me i would more often than not go after death notes people left), tp's first post seemed...forced? to me. idk if thats the right word to be using but i didnt like it

so uh idk about the mafia rules cause it's been like 15 years lol but i forgot factional kills was a thing and i think this backs up my gut a little more
i don't think tp was roleblocked. i think there is a chance he is faking it. and since i am believing in both escort and consort existing, this means that gent was the target of the second roleblocker, which would of course be a consort.

continuing this line of thought, i don't believe naru's post about 2 consorts is weird at all, and i agree with met over rick - i would love two consorts on my mafia team

i know in my big catch up post i pretty much implied arckas = consort rb and tp = escort rb. that is one possible explanation and i am not against exploring everything. i do think it is the likely scenario if tp is actually being honest about being roleblocked and that gent wasnt roleblocked. however, my gut says believe the former, and with tp's vote on me with a very weak reason, it feels especially strengthened


Finally, something interesting! I've faked Consort blocks in the past, it's definitely something Mafia COULD do but why TP? I don't TP being blocked gives him any credit immediately. I think Rock's dismissal is unfounded given prankster, and consort could just exist.

Why is Nhero sus for the standard SP?

Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 2 | Grandport

PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 1:10 pm
by Metrion
RockFire wrote:Heyo, mind giving your thoughts on things? I expected some coasters but not you and I'm kind of feed up waiting for you to say something relevant since you're active elsewhere on the forums but not here.

/vote Schultz

In other news, I see Ender has joined the wall building coalition. And to clarify the Rick situation, I was curious to see what he'd do when I said this:
Spoiler:
RockFire wrote:Rick seems Town then for responding to me the way he just did considering he spent most of it yelling at me that I'm wrong about what he said being fluff considering he's super offended by the idea. Wanted to see what he'd say being poked.


And he dropped the matter without ever raising a question to anything I was doing when I'm not particularly known for looking for reactions. Seems super complacent to me. Not liking his absence for over a day from the thread either just because Rick is usually more active from what I remember if he's town.

Lex also was sort of activish D1 and just decided to drop off the face of the earth now. Newbie scum do tend to avoid the thread and not say much to avoid slipping and do tend to hide when confronted.

TLDR Rick being not around as much as I assumed he would be feels wrong to me. Schultz and Lex are scummy for no activity even though it's been enough time to make more than 3 - 4 or less posts. Nhero and Max have at least said something instead of essentially nothing.


Reasonable, if not neutral vote.

Here, I will help since I like this line of play.

/vote schultz

Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 2 | Grandport

PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 1:31 pm
by LevinSnakesRise
I personally would like some sort of post from Schultz, it's been 2 days since he posted here but is posting otherwise in FM. (No specifics, for obvious reasons. :roll:)

I don't think he's sus for not posting, just he simply has a lot on his plate at the moment, and that stuff takes precedent over this. We do have 3 days left before Night 2 rolls around, but I'd still like something from him. I'm sure we'll get something before Night 2, but if it's the last day before Day 2 ends, I'll consider it suspicious at that point in time.

In the mean time, I'm just observing stuff and things. Most posts have been recently calling out people's play-styles from other games they've been in, or the discussion of how people find this person suspicious because of this, etc.

Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 2 | Grandport

PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 1:32 pm
by LevinSnakesRise
Either I'm ignorant (which I am when it comes to FM) or I'm just not getting to where you guys are for the reasons for suspicions on people.

Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 2 | Grandport

PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 1:35 pm
by Nellyfox
Metrion wrote:Finally, something interesting! I've faked Consort blocks in the past, it's definitely something Mafia COULD do but why TP? I don't TP being blocked gives him any credit immediately. I think Rock's dismissal is unfounded given prankster, and consort could just exist.

Why is Nhero sus for the standard SP?

ya and also rockfire killed me roleblocked me in 7a which is why gent could have also been roleblocked which we wont know unless a medium exists

awkward capitalization can be some sort of code, y'know? subtle but effective

Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 2 | Grandport

PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 1:48 pm
by Metrion
Nellyfox wrote:
Metrion wrote:Finally, something interesting! I've faked Consort blocks in the past, it's definitely something Mafia COULD do but why TP? I don't TP being blocked gives him any credit immediately. I think Rock's dismissal is unfounded given prankster, and consort could just exist.

Why is Nhero sus for the standard SP?

ya and also rockfire killed me roleblocked me in 7a which is why gent could have also been roleblocked which we wont know unless a medium exists

awkward capitalization can be some sort of code, y'know? subtle but effective


I guess. But not more than any other SP line.

Naru2008 wrote:Either I'm ignorant (which I am when it comes to FM) or I'm just not getting to where you guys are for the reasons for suspicions on people.


It's to apply pressure, and move the conversation.

Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 2 | Grandport

PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 1:50 pm
by Nellyfox
isn't that the point though, met

Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 2 | Grandport

PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 1:51 pm
by Jerme
@Nelly: I did mention that I sleep peacefully in my posts.
I do not like Mets reaction towards the Schultzvote, its seems like a "who cares" to me...

/vote Metrion

Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 2 | Grandport

PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 1:51 pm
by Swordsworth
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Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 2 | Grandport

PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 1:53 pm
by Veeena
Can someone please explain to me what the hell has been going on within the past 12 hours here.

Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 2 | Grandport

PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 1:59 pm
by Metrion
Nellyfox wrote:isn't that the point though, met


That it's no more than any other, yes.

Jerme wrote:@Nelly: I did mention that I sleep peacefully in my posts.
I do not like Mets reaction towards the Schultzvote, its seems like a "who cares" to me...

/vote Metrion


Okay.

Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 2 | Grandport

PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 2:47 pm
by LevinSnakesRise
Not gonna lie. Been playing all the Animal Crossing games these past few days while playing this, and between working my 9-11 hour varying work shifts.

Probably why I'm not really being interactive as much as the rest of you (but still more than some, guess I found some middle ground).
I have no life. Someone please save me.

Jerme, if Met didn't care about the Schultz vote, he wouldn't have said he "liked" that line of play that Rock started. Sure it could have been a 'Why not' vote, bandwagon-ing off Rock, but he still at least made a comment other than "why not" or "meh" or something similar to that effect. I don't quite see where you're coming from, Jer-bear.

Also, just noticed Rock said Feed instead of fed, when he said he was fed-up with Schultz's lack of posting. :lol:

Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 2 | Grandport

PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 3:02 pm
by Schultz128
If it wasn't obvious I don't have the time to play this game. Swords and moon were told this, and despite that there was nothing said.

glhf

Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 2 | Grandport

PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 3:26 pm
by Nellyfox
Schultz128 wrote:If it wasn't obvious I don't have the time to play this game. Swords and moon were told this, and despite that there was nothing said.

glhf

then why did you agree to play

yall i dont even want to be here playing and yet im more active than like everyone else. step up

when is rockfire gonna join me in the pit

Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 2 | Grandport

PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 3:27 pm
by LevinSnakesRise
Schultz128 wrote:If it wasn't obvious I don't have the time to play this game. Swords and moon were told this, and despite that there was nothing said.

glhf

It was pretty much confirmed earlier tbh, so no surprise there.

Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 2 | Grandport

PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 3:35 pm
by Metrion
/vote Lexiam

I await schultz's replacement or swift death at the hands of swords.

Nellyfox wrote:
Schultz128 wrote:If it wasn't obvious I don't have the time to play this game. Swords and moon were told this, and despite that there was nothing said.

glhf

then why did you agree to play

yall i dont even want to be here playing and yet im more active than like everyone else. step up

when is rockfire gonna join me in the pit


I think you're over-estimating yourself, Nelly.