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I said in the beginning that choosing me for a target feels more tactical. There was a thinking person behind that escort... or a group of people.

Think- why would the mafia choose me? I didn't say anything of value yesterday. If the mafia had to weight their own options, nothing I said yesterday was substantial (butt in if you think otherwise) to illicit a response. My history of FM is practically nonexistent save for Cytokine. If the mafia chose me based off that, then it would be pertinent to look at who knows me from that game. Same theory could also apply to escort.

[I secretly hate suggesting that but I now realize why people bring up past games. It's because this game is not a anonymous game like normal online mafia.]

The more that I try to analyze WHY ARCKAS, it doesn't make sense. Like it literally doesn't.

You were quiet D1. I don't see any real logic behind it.

If Varanus was here I would think he did it and just rolled a dice to decide who to target, because that's the kind of shit he would pull.

Just going to say this now- if you expect me to be everpresent on weekends, don't. Weekends are always when I work my longest days, always when I spend the longest periods of time with my boyfriend and friends, so like, I do have the next four days off to be helpful, but if you want weekend activity, that will never be me. <_<

Catching up now. A few things stood out at me.

First off, at the risk of my own credibility, I'm kind of relieved Gent died. I'm shit at reading him and I would easily get too paranoid of him until he would finally claim Cop later, and even then. I wouldn't know if I could trust if he was fake claiming or not very much. I don't know if I like the people arguing his kill for XYZ reasons though. The guy told us yesterday that he would be seriously concerned about being dead, so it's not like he didn't make himself a target. Many of us aren't recent players either. In fact, many of us trend older in play, so I would rather we steer clear of the meta arguments on why Gent died. I'm not only going to consider the 2018 community as it sounds like people are trying to push us to, and I'm not going to fault the 2014-ers for undervaluing Gent from a PR point of view.

Because he posts in gut reads instead of details mainly during Day 1, I'm not sure I trust looking at the people he was apparently scum reading either. If Mafia are being scum read, you kill him to throw him off your scent, but if Town are, you kill him to frame targets. This seems very WIFOMy and doesn't go many places fast. Frankly, because he died so early, and because of the starkness in generations of people we're playing with, I don't think we can infer much at all from who had motive to kill him. Anyone who requests protection the way he did makes a pretty good PR target though, so it is unfortunate that no one was on him, but this is the hand we were dealt.

I agree with the slept peacefully bit. This really wasn't anything that should have stopped at any point and there's no reason for us to not be firm and insist that people claim whether or not anything happened to them. Any and all night information helps us figure shit out, so even confirming that nothing happened to you that you know about helps us out.

Okay, onto the particulars:

Guzame wrote:That's... An interesting choice for a night 1 kill. I assume they picked Gent because they were one of the least likely players to be protected tonight?

I'm looking at the death note, trying to think of who'd leave a message like that. It's got a surprising amount of personality to it, especially with a Lenny face of all things. It's not something I'd expect a lot of players to use. But then again, it could be done on purpose to make the more "memey" players look suspicious?

It's probably not worth it to pursue that line of thinking for now.

I really don't like this post from Guzame.

I feel that speculation about especially the Night 1 kill in particular, but also the death note, are talking points that Scum would often use to try to push conversation forward in a meaningless way that wouldn't really go anywhere useful. Especially when he goes on to tack on a "probably not worth talking about this line", because then he pretty much admits the whole post is fluff in the first place.

Like, I don't know, I just imagine him as being more productive as Town if he acknowledges the pointlessness of the topic.

Arcthurus wrote:

Arcthurus wrote:

NheroArconix wrote:.

i mean how do you know you slept peacefully
what was your last game of fm

nevermind lol

Also a weird exchange, but to be fair, I didn't check Discord before the forums either. Was this what happened, Arc?

Not going to quote this, but Ender's entry into the game I ended up liking a lot. I found myself nodding a a lot of what he says here and in future posts, so his ISO looks good to me. Probably the most annoying thing about this post of his was the bit about the role list. I don't think we have enough to go on to speculate how unique each of the roles are, how many Citizens there are, or even if there really are two Escorts or two Consorts on this basis. I don't think speculation to this level helps us, but I feel like his intention about it at the time was at least purer than say, Guzame's. Speaking of which, I'm happy that he ended up calling out the same post as well, so there's that.

(this is a poke to remind myself that I'm watching a particular person's entry into the game right now. If it goes somewhere, good, but if it doesn't go anywhere I'm going to be sketch.)

ObiWan wrote:I don’t like Guzames initial reaction to the n1 kill. Seems very forced.
Don’t think we should speculate on who would’ve killed Gent, will get us nowhere.
I feel like doing something drastic but I think I’ll wait until day 3. Maybe

ObiWan wrote:Mela seems iffy to me too.
As a note: I’m trying not to hold back what I initially feel this game because I did in Enders game when I should’ve pushed more people and it was bad. I felt Mela was a bit scummy in Enders game from the start and didn’t push it and that was a mistake. (Mela don’t be triggered)

I will dive into more of the Mela train tomorrow, too lazy right now

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The problem here is, I don't know how much I like Obi based on these posts. The first post he started talking my language, but then immediately the next post he says something I completely don't get. Mel's entry into the game is nothing like her entry into this one. I actually like Mel more this time around and feel she's pushing ideas and topics in a way she never did (especially as a virtually unkillable scum) so I don't get this. I also feel the way she responded to this was pure.

Worse, I picture this coming from an inactive Town!Obi too, so I don't even know if this is AI or not. I want to like Obi for the first post but there's basically nothing I like about the second.

Okay, I ignored my boyfriend for a solid hour in making this read and this post, so I'm going to stop doing that for the rest of the night. I should be back tomorrow but finding more time to make more frequent posts should be interesting, so please bear with me.

TL:DR I know who I'm watching, and I want more from people. I like the degree of discussion so far, but more of it would be nice.

TRing Rick right now for that commentary about being relieved Gent is dead. That's Town AF.

If I had a clue why I am suspecting Met, I would've stated it. Somehow this was my first clear thought when I read the thread to put my happy comment about having survived.

Also: When I last checked the rolelist, I haven't seen a neutral slot in it, did I miss something?

Ugh. I just noticed that Rock made pretty much all the same post as Guzame.

RockFire wrote:Welp, time to actually start and not be labeled crazy.

I slept peacefully and I find TrueGent to be an interesting person to pick as a N1 target. I assume the kill is by the mafia and the neutral is likely some sort of support for the mafia unless anyone says something pointing to the contrary. I guess if the Mafia had a 13 - 1 odds of him being an ally and took the risk? He was one of the more active players too which shows some gusto in the killing considering there were way more quiet players to pick.

On another note, the music is too happy about finding a corpse in a camp.

RockFire wrote:Did I miss a memo or are some of us not going by the age old slept peacefully thing in our first posts of the day anymore?

And as for the deathnote, it looks purposefully misspelled and memey so using that is super off the table since anyone can make a deathnote look like that. The presence of it says more than the substance I say. Considering you never need to leave a death note in Mafia ever which I would assume people would do if they're fairly inexperienced. This points to one or more people that know what they're doing in the mafia with the kill and the DN even existing.

Yep, this is pretty much exactly what Guzame wrote. =/ Why do you people engage in discussion you completely state probably will not get us anywhere?

Again, this is either Town fluffing, or Scum trying to fake contribution imo.

Guzame wrote:

RockFire wrote:Did I miss a memo or are some of us not going by the age old slept peacefully thing in our first posts of the day anymore?

Is that the meta now? I don't much see the point of it. It seems like useless spam posts since anyone who had anything happen to them and wants to share will do so anyway.

It's harder to walk your way back out of a claim that nothing happened to you. Confirming that nothing happened to you TODAY, and then walking this back two day phases later looks scummy as fuck, and you'll only be contradicting yourself directly.

I think I want to like Arc for having seemingly similar reactions to both of their posts.

I want to say something about the Consort/Escort hypothetical but I honestly don't know what to say or how it helps us get anywhere. How will we know if there's two Escorts or two Consorts given what we know? However, THIS:

Naru2008 wrote:Could also be two Consorts, if we are going to give possible outcomes.

There's also the possibility someone is lying about being roleblocked.

This post sticks out like a sore thumb and I don't understand why Naru says especially this last line.

I will say that I doubt that Mafia has two Consorts if only because I'd be pissed to be a Mafia member and discover two Consorts. When will you ever need THAT MUCH rolestopping power? Honestly, at that point, I'd probably just get one of the Consorts to stop someone while the other one performs the factional kill. Why waste anyone else's action?

Jerme wrote:If I had a clue why I am suspecting Met, I would've stated it. Somehow this was my first clear thought when I read the thread to put my happy comment about having survived.

Also: When I last checked the rolelist, I haven't seen a neutral slot in it, did I miss something?

Normally, when you have a gut read, that person you're gutreading has made posts that ping you one way or the other.

Does anything stick out at you that makes you suspect him in any way? Or make you think what he said doesn't come from Town?

Oh hey, walls to read through are here. I guess it's time to start making huge posts now. Except I'll spoil things out of curtousy Spoiler:

melanora wrote:If Varanus was here I would think he did it and just rolled a dice to decide who to target, because that's the kind of shit he would pull.

I mean, Escorts tend to target quieter people usually to try and avoid interfering in Town actions. Both people targeted were fairly quiet and it's a closed game. Escort and a Consort with the Consort trying to fake an Escort claim seems the most likely explanation to me. It's at least the line of thinking that makes the most sense to me and assuming there's one roleblocked on each side is safer than any other alternative and the more likely one.

Jerme, the alignment list is the thread's first post.

Rickdaily12 wrote:Ugh. I just noticed that Rock made pretty much all the same post as Guzame.

Yeah I did before Arc pointed out how circular my argument would become. I decided to apparently have a logic aneyersm.

Rickdaily12 wrote:Again, this is either Town fluffing, or Scum trying to fake contribution imo.

So I'm either Town or scum. I didn't realize those were the only two things I could be. That just seems like saying something to say something. Which is also fluff. Surprise.

Nothing about Mela is really making me lean one way or the other at the moment besides the fact that I remember her usually acting this way. Really I feel like her tells don't show up until she starts screaming about being lynched or starts pushing reads.

Furthermore, I feel like Arc is Town because of how he pushed discussion back on the right track instead of letting me be dumb and going somewhere irrelevant.

Rick posting walls is irrelevant as always because that's not alignment indicative really.

Ender being very pushy with reads in his first few posts seems town for me since scum really come out as strongly and I think ender hasn't played as much to be able to fake that. Sorry if that's kind of rude to say.

Lastly, I don't have any particular stong scum reads yet aside from wanting to see what Ender said before about Lex and Guzame get responses from them and Schultz just popping in without really saying much contribution wise rubs me the wrong way.

Rock, there's a difference between fluffing, and the act of pointing out that you're sitting on your thumbs (as town) or faking contribution (as scum) You want it spelled out for you? I'm calling the discussion points you brought up then scummy for the same reasons I pointed at Guzame for. But sure, call my doing this counter-fluff when we both know it isn't, alright?

We both at least agree on Arc and I like your thoughts on him here, but no. This wasn't fluff, I can call your post seemingly anti-town motivated and not have it twisted back at me when I explained how I was reading the post.

I don't know though if I agree with you on Mel so far. Maybe it's because I just played Cytokine with her or maybe I haven't played enough with her as of late, but I think I really like her attitude and approach to the game this time as opposed to last time.

An idea that’s maybe not sensible is have the roleblockers block who they blocked before. If me and/or TurdPile don’t recieve a message saying they were roleblocked, we know we are dealing with a consort.

I’m happy to be roleblocked again for the sake of testing this.

Rickdaily12 wrote:

Guzame wrote:

RockFire wrote:Did I miss a memo or are some of us not going by the age old slept peacefully thing in our first posts of the day anymore?

Is that the meta now? I don't much see the point of it. It seems like useless spam posts since anyone who had anything happen to them and wants to share will do so anyway.

It's harder to walk your way back out of a claim that nothing happened to you. Confirming that nothing happened to you TODAY, and then walking this back two day phases later looks scummy as fuck, and you'll only be contradicting yourself directly.

I think I want to like Arc for having seemingly similar reactions to both of their posts.

I want to say something about the Consort/Escort hypothetical but I honestly don't know what to say or how it helps us get anywhere. How will we know if there's two Escorts or two Consorts given what we know? However, THIS:

Naru2008 wrote:Could also be two Consorts, if we are going to give possible outcomes.

There's also the possibility someone is lying about being roleblocked.

This post sticks out like a sore thumb and I don't understand why Naru says especially this last line.

I will say that I doubt that Mafia has two Consorts if only because I'd be pissed to be a Mafia member and discover two Consorts. When will you ever need THAT MUCH rolestopping power? Honestly, at that point, I'd probably just get one of the Consorts to stop someone while the other one performs the factional kill. Why waste anyone else's action?

Jerme wrote:If I had a clue why I am suspecting Met, I would've stated it. Somehow this was my first clear thought when I read the thread to put my happy comment about having survived.

Also: When I last checked the rolelist, I haven't seen a neutral slot in it, did I miss something?

Normally, when you have a gut read, that person you're gutreading has made posts that ping you one way or the other.

Does anything stick out at you that makes you suspect him in any way? Or make you think what he said doesn't come from Town?

I simply was making an observation. Mela and the others started talking about the possibility of 1 Escort/1 Consort, 2 Escorts, etc, so I came in with 2 Consorts (why would you not mention this possibility alongside the 2 Escorts probability) and then I also added that someone could be lying about being roleblocked. It's 100% possible, and I've seen it done before in-game. It's a perfectly valid strategy, especially in a vague rolelist like ours, where we don't know the sub-factions (Town Protective, Mafia Support, Neutral Evil, etc) to cast doubt by claiming you were also roleblocked when someone else also claims they were. That's the whole purpose of the strategy, and it's sound, especially when we are only on Day 2.

If you find reasonable suspicion in my words because I helped fill in the left-empty possibilities Rick, please feel free to say so.

Rick seems Town then for responding to me the way he just did considering he spent most of it yelling at me that I'm wrong about what he said being fluff considering he's super offended by the idea. Wanted to see what he'd say being poked.

Hey, mind elaborating on Mela because I haven't read anything on this site in two years so it'd be nice to understand what you and Obi keep going on about instead of digging through a super heavy flavor game from what I've heard.

Naru, saying someone is lying about being RBed as a sound strategy is flawed. No Town would say it since it would be pointless to lie to the rest of the town. No Neutral would lie about that either considering it's super easy to point out if they're RBed everyday or 1 RB disappears without an RB role dying. Mafia would be the only ones to perpetuate a lie like this and it would serve only to out them since they'd have to ping pong the RB claim between the four of them.

RockFire wrote:Rick seems Town then for responding to me the way he just did considering he spent most of it yelling at me that I'm wrong about what he said being fluff considering he's super offended by the idea. Wanted to see what he'd say being poked.

Hey, mind elaborating on Mela because I haven't read anything on this site in two years so it'd be nice to understand what you and Obi keep going on about instead of digging through a super heavy flavor game from what I've heard.

Naru, saying someone is lying about being RBed as a sound strategy is flawed. No Town would say it since it would be pointless to lie to the rest of the town. No Neutral would lie about that either considering it's super easy to point out if they're RBed everyday or 1 RB disappears without an RB role dying. Mafia would be the only ones to perpetuate a lie like this and it would serve only to out them since they'd have to ping pong the RB claim between the four of them.

That's literally what I meant. I wasn't ever implying Town would be the one to be lying.

Naru2008 wrote:

RockFire wrote:Rick seems Town then for responding to me the way he just did considering he spent most of it yelling at me that I'm wrong about what he said being fluff considering he's super offended by the idea. Wanted to see what he'd say being poked.

Hey, mind elaborating on Mela because I haven't read anything on this site in two years so it'd be nice to understand what you and Obi keep going on about instead of digging through a super heavy flavor game from what I've heard.

Naru, saying someone is lying about being RBed as a sound strategy is flawed. No Town would say it since it would be pointless to lie to the rest of the town. No Neutral would lie about that either considering it's super easy to point out if they're RBed everyday or 1 RB disappears without an RB role dying. Mafia would be the only ones to perpetuate a lie like this and it would serve only to out them since they'd have to ping pong the RB claim between the four of them.

That's literally what I meant. I wasn't ever implying Town would be the one to be lying.

Okay, this quote is easier to explain then. Yes- why would Town ever lie? So Scum would be lying here, but why the hell would they with such a super Town majority? We're at a stage of the game where shooting out both sides of a TvS conflict is valuable, so no, I really don't think Scum benefits much from lying about this.

That's why your remark sticks out. To even imply that someone could be lying about this just looks odd to me. It's not really a scum slip, just the mere implication is alarming that you'd suggest this.

Rock, I don't really know how to explain. Mel's giving me Town vibes. If you ISO her during literally ANY part of Cytokine Storm she was super avoidant, very lost old womanlike, and then would launch basically into hysterics the moment anyone implies she's doing anything wrong. She didn't walk in doing the same thing I feel this time around. Maybe I don't remember Town!Mel and Scum!Mel well enough, but when Obi walked in and pretty much dropped the same cookie-cutter "I don't think I like Mel this game" that he gave during Cytokine Storm, I understood him then, and I don't now.

RockFire wrote: Spoiler:

TrueGent wrote:id lynch lexiam rn if I could

Lexiam wrote:Wait why

TrueGent wrote:

Is the issue that Lex didn't push more on Gent for why he was being scum read when he got the thinking emoji response? Also, now that I decided to not be blind, I also see that Gent was also scum reading Max and I assume not asking anything at all is the basis for this? I haven't played a game in a while so I'm not exactly sure how new people would react but I thought everyone here had already played at least 1 game of FM unless I'm mistaken.

Normally him questioning it would be enough but how the mocking the answer is, you should at least expect either Lex knows what Gent meant and somehow didn't care about it or didn't care at all to begin with. Second is more likely but as I said before, it isn't as bad as guzame's case here. The way he keept hammering that he is a noob is what also irks me, I am sure Gent picked up on this as well but I don't think it will matter if Lex can explain himself. M4x is M4x. She doesn't work with typical reads as Gent put it. We will be more understanding of her case as time moves on but so far... I don't she is being helpful for her sake.

I am skimming things. I am sleepy and I don't care about Rick's 52th paragraph.

Naru2008 wrote:I simply was making an observation. Mela and the others started talking about the possibility of 1 Escort/1 Consort, 2 Escorts, etc, so I came in with 2 Consorts (why would you not mention this possibility alongside the 2 Escorts probability) and then I also added that someone could be lying about being roleblocked. It's 100% possible, and I've seen it done before in-game. It's a perfectly valid strategy, especially in a vague rolelist like ours, where we don't know the sub-factions (Town Protective, Mafia Support, Neutral Evil, etc) to cast doubt by claiming you were also roleblocked when someone else also claims they were. That's the whole purpose of the strategy, and it's sound, especially when we are only on Day 2.

If you find reasonable suspicion in my words because I helped fill in the left-empty possibilities Rick, please feel free to say so.

Oh, how I love this post. It yields sweet potential. Then tell me Naru, what do you think about Arckas so far? I am sure you can guess how determining this question is.
I am expecting the seeds of these possibilies we have gathered, sprout by tomorrow.

Arckas wrote:An idea that’s maybe not sensible is have the roleblockers block who they blocked before. If me and/or TurdPile don’t recieve a message saying they were roleblocked, we know we are dealing with a consort.

I’m happy to be roleblocked again for the sake of testing this.

Please don't put TurdPile in a scenario where he has to say he's a PR or not. That's super scummy.

/vote Arckas

enderitem wrote: Then tell me Naru, what do you think about Arckas so far? I am sure you can guess how determining this question is.I am expecting the seeds of these possibilies we have gathered, sprout by tomorrow.

:T

If you’ve got something to say, say it yourself.

Metrion wrote:

Arckas wrote:An idea that’s maybe not sensible is have the roleblockers block who they blocked before. If me and/or TurdPile don’t recieve a message saying they were roleblocked, we know we are dealing with a consort.

I’m happy to be roleblocked again for the sake of testing this.

Please don't put TurdPile in a scenario where he has to say he's a PR or not. That's super scummy.

/vote Arckas

Ah, sorry. I was only thinking of myself in that regard.

Arckas wrote:

enderitem wrote: Then tell me Naru, what do you think about Arckas so far? I am sure you can guess how determining this question is.I am expecting the seeds of these possibilies we have gathered, sprout by tomorrow.

:T

If you’ve got something to say, say it yourself.

I thought you and Naru were the rbed ones, lol. I guess you can tell when I am coming from though. What do you think about TP?

Thoughts

Ender thinking the people who he wants to dome today, don't deserve his vote is really killing me right now.

R*ck making walls. I like Os post about Ender/Lex. I is town for the time being.

Mel is unreadable for me but I think that'll be cleares up once we start getting wagons.

I'd be elated if I had two consorts in my mafia. I don't think that Naru post was weird.

Arckas wrote:

Metrion wrote:

Arckas wrote:An idea that’s maybe not sensible is have the roleblockers block who they blocked before. If me and/or TurdPile don’t recieve a message saying they were roleblocked, we know we are dealing with a consort.

I’m happy to be roleblocked again for the sake of testing this.

Please don't put TurdPile in a scenario where he has to say he's a PR or not. That's super scummy.

/vote Arckas

Ah, sorry. I was only thinking of myself in that regard.

/unvote

Anything to say about people.

Naru's post seems to me more like something newer players would put down just to list options really instead of anything with seemingly malicious intent.

Met, it took me way too long to figure out you were referring to me and Rick than I'd care to admit.

Also, it's been just about 24 hours and everyone besides Nelly has said something in this thread. I'd like to hear her thoughts on people as well considering she was fairly active during D1 memes but not anymore.

/vote Guzame

Guz, my old pal, thoughts on the game so far?

Also Rick, the second post I made that seems to make you iffy is purely because I was lazy/didn’t have time to elaborate.
You don’t need to bother with me today, I’m not going to be lynched. Not hinting at anything, I just refuse like a stubborn child.

What I don’t like about Mela is she is agreeing with a lot of shit people are saying. Whereas I feel Town Mela doesn’t trust anyone and doesn’t give out Town reads right off the bat. She’s also mostly focusing on the role list, which makes me think she’s avoiding conflict with others. In fact I don’t know that I’ve seen her call anyone scummy yet day 2.
Anyone stand out to you Mela?