8M | OCTOPATH | Game Over | Town Wins!

[Rickdaily12]

I am referring to your "commute", it is still a bullshit way of covering your night immunity.

I swear, if we lose has listened to me all game, the amount of rage and salt I will die with will be unbearable.

[Rickdaily12]

I am referring to your "commute", it is still a bullshit way of covering your night immunity.

I swear, if we lose because no one has listened to me all game, the amount of rage and salt I will die with will be unbearable.

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[RockFire]

AtE sure has been a running theme with you this entire game Rick. Picking apart my claim is kind of reaching when it makes sense in the context of the game and I figured what I thought of the rolelist because of how I have one of each ability and having more PRs is wack for balance which I still hold is an argument that holds water in closed games.

But either way saying that is kind of pointless when I'm arguing with someone I know is scum.

[Metrion]

Since no one is listening to me that I'm pretty dead set on Rock being the Witch, I hope you guys have a plan about his next target.

No doubt he targeted Turd because he thought Turd might have still had bullets, so now that that's off the table I'm sure he's going to turn his attention to Poison next. But hey, if there was anyone with a Lookout ability, I'm sure they'd have been on Turd to see him visit there as well.

I also can't believe anyone is buying his bullshit about his 1-shot Veteran power either, that's clearly to explain away any Night Immunity he might have, but whatever.

Are you pretending?

Ender literally made a giant wall that I didn't read yet because of formatting, and then voted Rock.

[Rickdaily12]

AtE sure has been a running theme with you this entire game Rick. Picking apart my claim is kind of reaching when it makes sense in the context of the game and I figured what I thought of the rolelist because of how I have one of each ability and having more PRs is wack for balance which I still hold is an argument that holds water in closed games.

But either way saying that is kind of pointless when I'm arguing with someone I know is scum.

I'm arguing with someone I know is Witch and has had an entire month's worth of time to make a JOAT claim work to get a parity cop lynched.

I'm arguing with someone who makes balance arguments while also trying to say that someone can somehow be a second Town Vigilante and rig it so that he learns all the scum who can visit him and exactly what they can do WITHOUT killing him in a game where Town has three times the numbers of the Mafia.

Rock, you have a way of being the largest hypocrite when I turn your own logic against you. It's why I just do not give shits to argue with you anymore. But at the very least I'm trying to tell people what you're going to do next if you live because I know they're grossly underprepared for what happens next, and unlike you, I'm trying to remind them how and why you've been lying the way you have.

Also, nice bringing me back to L-1 when the Marionette exists like you pointed out not even four hours ago.


P-edit Metrion, what exactly is your point? He voted Rock because of his own role claim and night actions, and if you're not going to discuss what he said about it because you didn't read what he said I'm not going to bother discussing it with you.

In fact if you have anything worthwhile to add at all, I'm interested in listening because I'm tired of arguing with the Witch here.

[RockFire]

I mean, 3 Town KP is actually pretty standard especially in a game with a Witch and I don't get the second half of that.

As for the L-1 thing I think there's nothing really left to talk about with you hence why I did it. I removed it because people were saying relevant things and now it's just me and you which is at best circular.

[Rickdaily12]

I would never introduce 3 Town KP where Witch apparently can't control any of the Vigilantes before they run out of bullets, where Mafia only has 1 KP.

Not in a 13v4v1. If you're telling me that you fake claimed this because this is somehow now typical, that's just royally stupid on our parts as Moderators because I remember being told that having a zillion PRs and a bunch of cross-killing Neutrals were unbalanced when what you're proposing is much worse.

[RockFire]

I don't even understand what your first sentence means. Witches can control the Vigs to shoot and that's literally what happened to TP this game with his 2nd bullet. And the point I was making about not having that many PRs in such a town sided game is why things didn't make sense for you to still be town which was what caused my suspicion initially.

I feel like you're not really making sense anymore either with what you're saying.

[Metrion]

AtE sure has been a running theme with you this entire game Rick. Picking apart my claim is kind of reaching when it makes sense in the context of the game and I figured what I thought of the rolelist because of how I have one of each ability and having more PRs is wack for balance which I still hold is an argument that holds water in closed games.

But either way saying that is kind of pointless when I'm arguing with someone I know is scum.

I'm arguing with someone I know is Witch and has had an entire month's worth of time to make a JOAT claim work to get a parity cop lynched.

I'm arguing with someone who makes balance arguments while also trying to say that someone can somehow be a second Town Vigilante and rig it so that he learns all the scum who can visit him and exactly what they can do WITHOUT killing him in a game where Town has three times the numbers of the Mafia.

Rock, you have a way of being the largest hypocrite when I turn your own logic against you. It's why I just do not give shits to argue with you anymore. But at the very least I'm trying to tell people what you're going to do next if you live because I know they're grossly underprepared for what happens next, and unlike you, I'm trying to remind them how and why you've been lying the way you have.

Also, nice bringing me back to L-1 when the Marionette exists like you pointed out not even four hours ago.


P-edit Metrion, what exactly is your point? He voted Rock because of his own role claim and night actions, and if you're not going to discuss what he said about it because you didn't read what he said I'm not going to bother discussing it with you.

In fact if you have anything worthwhile to add at all, I'm interested in listening because I'm tired of arguing with the Witch here.

My point is stop playing the alone victim, it's both a determent to the game and false. I'd love if you actually gave your thoughts on other players intead of just focusing on talking with Rock or being absent for 96 hours.

[Rickdaily12]

I don't even understand what your first sentence means. Witches can control the Vigs to shoot and that's literally what happened to TP this game with his 2nd bullet. And the point I was making about not having that many PRs in such a town sided game is why things didn't make sense for you to still be town which was what caused my suspicion initially.

I feel like you're not really making sense anymore either with what you're saying.

I mean, I never really bought you were still JOAT either, to be fair, but that was before you claimed the full extent of your abilities. I was willing to lynch you before checking you when you stuck with it. Balance arguments had nothing to do with it.

But everything about your full list of abilities is too stupid in a game under the current conditions, and unlike you, I didn't claim anything that sounds like I have a night ability.

Actually, and if you learn the people who visit you, that actually makes a lot of sense for the Witch to have in a game like this. You weren't actually lying about having that, weren't you?

[RockFire]

Are we even having the same conversation?

[Arcthurus]

I've been by your side all day Rick so I'm offended by your demeanor.

I mean, 3 Town KP is actually pretty standard especially in a game with a Witch and I don't get the second half of that.

As for the L-1 thing I think there's nothing really left to talk about with you hence why I did it. I removed it because people were saying relevant things and now it's just me and you which is at best circular.

I intend on saying things soon, brother. Unvote.

[Rickdaily12]

Metrion, Rock is the Witch, and I'm sure enough about that to keep my vote on him.

Other than that, we have a bunch of Citizen claims and an odd Doctor claim from Ender, but probably not one faked by Scum since he used it try and stop me from being lynched in favor of Rock, so other than completely trusting Ender, Turd, and Poison, and knowing that Rock needs to die, that's all I've got right now. Other than that, Naru is probably Town given all the role disruptions. He probably isn't Mafia unless the Witch found him and left him alone after because his action did something obviously harmful.

The only way Ender can even be Mafia is by being the Mafia Head, so there's also that. Statistically he is the most likely person to be Town given what we know.

That leaves you, Veeena, Arc and Jerme in my books. Two of you claim Citizen, and the rest of you I don't think I've seen a claim yet.

Are we even having the same conversation?

Aren't we?

You know what, whatever. We can talk about game balance as an aside, or we can talk about why I think you're the Witch, I gave points on both, so enjoy. <_<

[Rickdaily12]

I've been by your side all day Rick so I'm offended by your demeanor.

Come to think of it, I don't think you've said anything questionable directed at me since Day 2. I'm sorry. This game has been exhausting and I've spent the back half of it skimming.

[RockFire]

Arc, if you've got things to say then I'll wait out of respect to the pages we've made of us just talking. /unvote

> Thinking I'm the witch when you say Ender isn't lying about his claim where it would only really make sense for me to be Mafia since I would lose in this situation if I'm causing an ML.

I don't think we're having the same conversation because you clearly haven't read my role claim if you're saying the things you are.

[Rickdaily12]

Arc, if you've got things to say then I'll wait out of respect to the pages we've made of us just talking. /unvote

> Thinking I'm the witch when you say Ender isn't lying about his claim where it would only really make sense for me to be Mafia since I would lose in this situation if I'm causing an ML.

I don't think we're having the same conversation because you clearly haven't read my role claim if you're saying the things you are.

Well, I gave a role claim summary, mind doing the same then?

[RockFire]

Rick, they're literally my first two posts of the day. It's just a click to D5 start from the OP but fine. Here it is because I'm too nice to tell you to just look it up on your own.
Spoiler:

So it's time to come clean with everything my role can do. I'm Therion, a JOAT that has 4 abilities of each alignment of Support, Protective, Killing, and Investigative.

My investigative ability was obviously the two shot Parity Cop.

My support ability is that I can commute and no actions will be able to target me that night.

My protection ability is a body Double for someone.

My killing ability is a one shot Vig shot.

I saw the Nhero flip and knew someone had to have been attacked from the very town group of Met, Arc, Rick so I used my Vig shot last night to shoot Rick because of my paranoia and how I surmised he must be the Witch and he was attacked last night. I was notified I slept peacefully and it failed ergo Rick is night immune and a scummy boy.

I rest my case.

No TP. N1 was Parity to Arc, N2 was the RB by Poison, N3 was the Parity to Max. Last night I shot Rick.

Also, I was hiding my abilities because I had the Vig shot and wanted to see if the scum would think I had a Vet one shot and not touch me last night.

[Rickdaily12]

I don't see where I've lost you in my claim then.

Mel isn't the Mafia Head. To me, the Mafia Head appears the same as Town, so Mel compares as Mafia. That makes Ender different from Mafia.

Likewise, Poison is different from Mafia.

You are different from someone who is different from Mafia. For you to be Town, Poison is Witch. But she claims Escort and no one has CCed her, therefore you are either Mafia standard or Witch. You claimed having an ability that makes you immune to being killed and learns the roles of those who visit you, which sounds intolerably broken in the face of literally everything else you have claimed, but more importantly might address the powers you get from being night immune in this game as a Witch.

I mean, I suppose you could be Mel's regular Mafia buddy, but this is an extremely elaborate roleclaim for someone who probably has the same degree of power as a Consort or a TI role stealer, so I'm not really seeing Mafia!Rock as much here. Your commute line sounds too ridiculous for Town to be holding and seems like you're trying to explain night immunity if that ever ended up coming up, if say, someone like Turd shot you.

[RockFire]

Do you not know how commuting works Rick?

[Rickdaily12]

Do you not know how commuting works Rick?

Does it sound like I do?

You're talking to a person who hasn't played this game for years, Rock.

[RockFire]

You claimed having an ability that makes you immune to being killed and learns the roles of those who visit you, which sounds intolerably broken in the face of literally everything else you have claimed,

Also, this is my first game in like two years but even I remember how commuting works. Commuting is having your player slot basically leave the game for a night and not be able to be targeted at all. My confusion about you stems from the fact that you're saying I somehow claimed I can see everyone or their roles, or whatever you've been going on about, that visits me which I never have said.

[Rickdaily12]

Veteran one shot? I never claimed to have anything like that unless you're referring to my commute which I can do and it literally renders me unable to be targeted by anyone that night and will notify me of anyone that visits me that any actions against me failed.

Oh, I skimmed through this too quickly. This is what I thought I saw.

Rock, that still sounds like a lame way to explain having night immunity to me. Literally the only way you are Town here is if Poison is Witch, and she's only the Witch if Town never even had an Escort in the first place.

[Rickdaily12]

Also, I still wasn't shot last night, so I don't know how to reconcile you saying that you shot me last night.

That's if I let go that you were telling me to look at you to confirm whether or not you were the same alignment as Poison. Why in the fuck would you shoot me if you had a bullet then?

[Arcthurus]

Okay there was bits and pieces of things said that didn't make any sense but as it turns out this is springing up at the worst possible moment. I have an exam tomorrow which I'll probably be fucked over so I have little time anymore to actually spend here if I plan to pass. So i'll give brief thoughts but I think we should draw this out longer. I kind of want to see Naru claim at this point because even though I think he and ender are probably both town he seems to have a reason to distrust ender and I don't want to take any chances. I dont have time for a full analysis but I think Ender claiming here right now makes no sense as scum, and I believe them. Ender you havent given your previous targets though iirc and thats probably something you should be doing, no?

[RockFire]

Arc, Ender said they left for the rest of the day so I don't think he'll be back before day ends in like 18 hours.

I've also explained that part in my posts Rick.

What confused me about Ender is that he has to be lying or Rick is because I know what I did night action wise so unless the D3 thing with Mela and him was an elaborate bussing plan to get two mafia as confirmed town to ride into endgame, it doesn't make sense any other way. That's assuming Ender is lying and if Rick is lying then he's RB immune Witch or Ender and Rick are Mafia together.