8M | OCTOPATH | Game Over | Town Wins!

[Arcthurus]

It's time for thinking walls everyone.

There's 10 of us left alive so I'm just going to try and figure this out. I'll leave out Rick for obvious reasons.

Me, TP, and Posion have claimed and I don't think Posion is lying because that's a dumb.

That leaves 6 people where the Mafia are in:

Met
Arc
Ender
Jerme
Max
Naru

Narrowing this down is rather simple because of my checks and interactions.

Met and Ender being Mafia seems super unlikely as I've stated before. Arc and Max cannot be anything but MH. Naru was the counterwagon for scum D2 so he's out.

That only leaves Jerme as the only possibility of being the non invest immune Mafia.

Obviously MH is between Max and Arc.

I don't think Met would bus Consort D2 and I don't think Ender could be anything Mafia related at all this game. Anyone have anything to add to this?

I believe ender could flip the neutral role or possible townie. I dont know how I feel about him and his posts.
Arc seems to want to be defending Rick but not doing it up front. I feel like Arc and Rick are showing up more as scum to me than anything, which I'm hoping I'm not wrong and surprised to say I trust you more Rock.
I had suspected Jerme in the past, it makes sense with how he posts.
I wouldn't leave naru out of the equation completely...

What? I AM doing it upfront, get it right.

You chose to block Met out of "curiosity"? But what about the people you said needed to be looked at like Veena or Jerme?

[enderitem]

Okay, I have calmed down. This game gets more and more complicated every other minute. I WAS PROMISED A SIMPLE, BY THE NUMBERS MOD EXPERIENCE DAMMIT! But I finally realized one thing: There is no such thing as a mechanically lock scum in a closed game and only our reads can lead us to the solution. Funnily enough, both Rick and Rock were right about one thing: I was definitely wrong to make a role list out of this game. It lead people to great assumptions that could have been disastrous. Even the possibility of an Escort’s existence can be debated here looking at how things are going currently. Poison's actions and reads are so incoherent in every single manner that I can’t help but doubt her claim at the moment. If she is scum, she literally can win the entire game and we would get fucked without any realization whatsoever. We can’t read her at all, she thinks every single player in the game is scum and is quite adamant on changing that opinion while also targeting people due to “curiosity” but not in actuality. We definitely cannot follow her lead, we have to confirm her once and for all and I know a perfect way.

Rock, himself, said the only person who could be the remaining Mafia that isn’t Mafia Head was Jerme. This means a lot for his claim because there is literally no other way to prove it at the moment even if we lynch Rick. Of course, not just that but Jerme also gives plenty of associations with Met (who is my towniest read in the entire game for one particular reason despite his stupid read on me.), M4x (I think she should take the Arckas approach if she actually is Citizen but I seriously doubt it), me (although, it is unneeded) but most importantly, Poison. Jerme’s vote here is pretty damning if he is scum and it is an action that could be only regarded as scummy:

Alright, lets do it then~
/vote PoisonMaid

An unwarranted vote without any reason and if you listen carefully... you can actually hear him say "I am scum" in German, backwards. It's quite amazing actually. Anyway, you can find many more things that are pretty damning if you dig in further but this one takes my cake.

I am pretty confident with Jerme being the only findable scum we have, it must be. I just want to make sure my Rock, my dude is Town because at the moment, I am getting more and more paranoiac. His flip will finally clear both Rock and Poison AT LEAST. He just gives perfect associations. Of course, in that case why not vote Rick, the “counterclaimer”? Arc perfectly explained why and I am grateful for that, it enlightened me. There are many questions to this game but I still think the Rick vs. Rock situation must be put on hold. Besides, there is one other reason he can't be Witch that I do not wish to delve into. I think Rick is just being extremely dumb at the moment, like a toddler that is so spoiled and so bratty, he thinks following the worst OMGUS tactic in the entirety of Forum Mafia with some sprinkles of AtE would actually convince people to just vote up Rock. Admit it Rick, you can’t handle the fact that Rock turned out to be Town or something, do you? You just want him lynched so you can get rid of one nuisance. Get the fuck off your high horse and actually put some effort into your reads or else you are worse than M4x who is probably the MH. Yes, I went there because I am just done with this bickering and severely disgruntled by the fact that I made the mistake of lynching Nhero without putting much thought into it but now I want to solve this game MY WAY! So you should start being actually productive as well Rick or else I will put a permanent vote on you until I make sure you get lynched even if it causes me to lose. This is unbearable at this point. Fucking solve the game already. You know the only way to do it is reads, reads got us here with both mel and Lex lynches and I sure as hell believe that reads will win us the game as well. Thanks in advance.

I don’t think this can go wrong. Jerme has always been under the radar with gut reads even he didn’t care about and that question to me yesterday… I really didn’t like it.
/vote Jerme

[PoisonMaid]

Jerme's vote ender wasn't that random. He was following what TP had to say about lynching me. He wasn't the only one suspecting me.
I do think Jerme needs to possibly be lynched, I want some more time to think though which would be a better lynch.

I chose Metrion, yes out of curiosity. Is there a problem, Arc? I wanted to know what would happen. And as of right now, I still have no clue what happened considering naru got the RB, Met slept peacefully, and so did I.

[RockFire]

I meant investigative roles not invest as in investigator Arc. Max can only be GF and I don't think they'd pull the strategy of claiming Citizen D2 and then proceeding to tunnel Nhero the whole game.

What are we doubting Poison? They blocked me and the block was real so she has to be an Escort since they can't be Prankster even if I believe it to be a horribly misguided one. Also, Jerme has to be last Mafia if you consider the facts but I want to get rid of the Witch first to not mess with any actions tonight.

I assume Jerme is the last scum because they must be unless Met and Ender have played a phenomenal Mafia game. I know Rick is a liar because with everything out in the open, my shot must have failed because he was immune so he's scum. I would rather have Rick lynched to get him out of the way then we can actually lynch Jerme when everyone can claim without worry of having actions messed with at night.

I don't know what Arc is arguing of whether it be that neither Rick and I are not scum, I'm scum and Rick isn't, or anything because that discussion kind of devolved past it's original point.

[Arcthurus]

So let me get this straight. The mafia has a invest immune mafia head, a marionete, a redirector, a sinister-presence visitor, and a prankster, all alive right now?

[RockFire]

Arc, I'm guessing MH has the Marionette because of its defense to Lex. I don't see how the other regular Mafia would have it since they'd have abilities and giving GF another vote isn't too out of the question I think.

The redirector has to be the sinister presence thing from looking at what happened to Naru. I don't know how an extra RB happened besides that one role being a half and half one unless they have charges on abilities.

Either way there is no Framer and either way this conversation has gone away from the original point of what you even think about me and Rick.

[enderitem]

Now that I reread what I said I might have come off a little bit harsh and insensitive, I am sorry about that. Don't worry, it is integral to my character development.

Poison, it being not random is the reason why it is so scummy. He literally immediately jumped on a nearly non-existant wagon without any good reason and without care. That isn't how you play Town.

Rock, read your fucking goal and tell me, does it care about the the Witch? I am giving you the way to solve this game and prove yourself to be Town once and for all but you are just pushing it to get Rick lynched DUE TO EMOTIONAL REASONS ONLY. Rick, whom hardly makes sense as a Witch that literally cannot fuck anything up at the moment even as one! Just check your priorities man! The teamcomp of Mafia looks so confusing looking at these night results that I wouldn't be surprised if Met's meme role was in it and I sure as hell don't want a game taken away from me when we are 8v2v1! Just come to your senses.

[RockFire]

I wonder when the vote count is coming...
Also we have with Ender and me two palyers who will miss some days with being away, will we be replaced, or will the game go on or freeze till we're back?

Also I was looking back and this is why Jerme hasn't said anything yet and I don't know when they'll be back.

And emotional reasons aren't when I know he's scum from what everyone has said today since no one has claimed Marshal that stopped me so the only reason my shot failed would be if Rick is immune. Also, it's 7v2v1 because Arckas got modkilled yesterday. I say Poison's escort block was real so lynching Rick also proves me and Poison becuase if I'm not lying then Poison is actually the Escort.

I want to lynch who I know for sure is scum instead of what I think the scum team is because I thought Nhero was scum and we all know how that ended. Rick even said to stop the dome because it wasn't contributing to anything and that's why I'm giving my thoughts on who would be Mafia. It's not like I can do much else besides that in this game when everyone decides to be inactive all the time.

[LevinSnakesRise]

To make this 100% clear, I did not add flavor this time.

I was tagged for my night results, got told I was roleblocked, and then 30 seconds-60 seconds later, I was told I also felt a sinister presence. This leads me to believe they are two different actions, and not one, otherwise I think I would have been told together.

[LevinSnakesRise]

We're welcome to start a claim-game, and to be honest, for being Day 5, even with our amount of players, I think that'd be better, since we had no kills last night, and the day previously, we lynched Nhero.

I know Rick was against this, understandably because it was too early, but I think now with all these unknowns, it'd be better to do it now.

However, we don't have a strict defined sub-alignment role list, so anyone can claim anything, and we can't really just dismiss it, but we can't just accept it right-off either.

[Arcthurus]

Arc, I'm guessing MH has the Marionette because of its defense to Lex. I don't see how the other regular Mafia would have it since they'd have abilities and giving GF another vote isn't too out of the question I think.

The redirector has to be the sinister presence thing from looking at what happened to Naru. I don't know how an extra RB happened besides that one role being a half and half one unless they have charges on abilities.

Either way there is no Framer and either way this conversation has gone away from the original point of what you even think about me and Rick.

But Ender had the presence result N2 and Obi claimed roleblocked N2 as well, so that's two different roles acting unless you think the fourth mafia member can visit multiple people at once?

[PoisonMaid]

Poison, it being not random is the reason why it is so scummy. He literally immediately jumped on a nearly non-existant wagon without any good reason and without care. That isn't how you play Town.

Ah I get your reasoning now. That makes sense idk why I looked past that...

[RockFire]

Okay Arc, then tell me what you think about that because I'm not sure since I can't be a bastion of correct assertions and deductions. Also, what point were you trying to make in that giant post about me and Rick because I don't get what you even mean unless you're somehow asserting we're both town which is nonsense from what everyone has chimed in with so far.

And Ender it's literally a thunderdome where on of us has to be scum since even with all the oddities going on Mafia don't have a framer with all the actions that have occurred so far so either Rick is a liar or I am. You either believe one of us on what we've said so far.

[enderitem]

Rock, you are saying Rick is scum because you shot him but you that's YOUR WINDOW! When you got roleblocked, another Mafia role existed. For all we know mel could have been taking care of the kill orders while the others did whatever the fuck they wanted, this also might explain why there are no kills anymore.

I want to lynch who I know for sure is scum instead of what I think the scum team is because I thought Nhero was scum and we all know how that ended. Rick even said to stop the dome because it wasn't contributing to anything and that's why I'm giving my thoughts on who would be Mafia. It's not like I can do much else besides that in this game when everyone decides to be inactive all the time.

This actually tears me apart considering it is the exact same thing I said while lynching Lex... but the fact that the lynches we are sure of benefiting the Town are completely different will only help us solve this game easier. However, your approach applies to your mechanics and your mechanics alone while I am sure Jerme is scum psychologically and I think it exposes the Town in a lot more sure manner.

We're welcome to start a claim-game, and to be honest, for being Day 5, even with our amount of players, I think that'd be better, since we had no kills last night, and the day previously, we lynched Nhero.

Can you explain your reasoning for this Naru? Do you have someone else that could be scum in mind considering those on the table for lynch mostly claimed?

And Ender it's literally a thunderdome where on of us has to be scum since even with all the oddities going on Mafia don't have a framer with all the actions that have occurred so far so either Rick is a liar or I am. You either believe one of us on what we've said so far.

I DO NOT CARE IF YOU ARE DOMING! THE TWO OF YOU CAN FUCKING WAIT UNTIL I DIE!

[Swordsworth]

To make this 100% clear, I did not add flavor this time.

I was tagged for my night results, got told I was roleblocked, and then 30 seconds-60 seconds later, I was told I also felt a sinister presence. This leads me to believe they are two different actions, and not one, otherwise I think I would have been told together.

Don't do this. This is called angleshooting.

If you have questions about things like results, ask me directly.

Don't bring mechanical things about the game's running into the game.

Final gamewide reminder.

I DO NOT CARE IF YOU ARE DOMING! THE TWO OF YOU CAN FUCKING WAIT UNTIL I DIE!

Games are hard, but if you're feeling the tiltaroo, take a deep breath and step away if you must, please.

[RockFire]

If you're upset then step away and relax for a bit.

What I'm saying is that with what roles have flipped and with what results have been given, framer is not a possibility to exist. Poison cannot be Witch which I'm sure we all agree on so that means Rick is claiming a different result on me and I'm claiming I shot him and it failed which indicates that he's immune because no one has stepped forward to say anything about why it failed.

So witch, marionette, sinister prescene, the extra RB, and an invest immune MH exist. There's no room for a cannoneer here or anything similar because we have a whole lot of scum action things and having someone stock kills right now would mean Invest immune MH that's a cannoneer and has a marionette. I don't think that makes sense.

[Arcthurus]

I don't have things figured out 100% yet in every front Rock but my post was really just me saying why I don't see how Rick makes any sense as any scum.

[Arcthurus]

Jerme's vote ender wasn't that random. He was following what TP had to say about lynching me. He wasn't the only one suspecting me.
I do think Jerme needs to possibly be lynched, I want some more time to think though which would be a better lynch.

I chose Metrion, yes out of curiosity. Is there a problem, Arc? I wanted to know what would happen. And as of right now, I still have no clue what happened considering naru got the RB, Met slept peacefully, and so did I.

I'm sorry but I can't understand how you're incapable of seeing the problem here. You professed suspicion on Jerme, Rock, even me, so why block someone who you made no read over?

Interesting too that your opinion on Rock has changed. You still had him as scum yesterday, even after he had claimed, and the last read you had on Rick since we lynched Mela was that he Rick was "85-95% town" so I'm curious what exactly it is that you're not convinced it's the other way around.

[Arcthurus]

Jerme's vote ender wasn't that random. He was following what TP had to say about lynching me. He wasn't the only one suspecting me.
I do think Jerme needs to possibly be lynched, I want some more time to think though which would be a better lynch.

I chose Metrion, yes out of curiosity. Is there a problem, Arc? I wanted to know what would happen. And as of right now, I still have no clue what happened considering naru got the RB, Met slept peacefully, and so did I.

I'm sorry but I can't understand how you're incapable of seeing the problem here. You professed suspicion on Jerme, Rock, even me, so why block someone who you made no read over?

Interesting too that your opinion on Rock has changed. You still had him as scum yesterday, even after he had claimed, and the last read you had on Rick since we lynched Mela was that Rick was "85-95% town" so I'm curious what exactly it is that you're now convinced it's the other way around.

fixed

[LevinSnakesRise]

We're welcome to start a claim-game, and to be honest, for being Day 5, even with our amount of players, I think that'd be better, since we had no kills last night, and the day previously, we lynched Nhero.

Can you explain your reasoning for this Naru? Do you have someone else that could be scum in mind considering those on the table for lynch mostly claimed?

Not really. I just feel it's the right thing to do.

[enderitem]

By the way Rock, if Rick turns out scum it proves you Town but not Poison. Her RBing you makes her a roleblocker but for all we know Mafia might have a JOAT as well, it is the most probable explanation as far as I can see and us not having an Escort to begin with would be the biggest plot twist in the entire game, explaining everything we have went through with all those balance arguments. Jerme is still the superior lynch unless he has a way to prove himself Town.

We're welcome to start a claim-game, and to be honest, for being Day 5, even with our amount of players, I think that'd be better, since we had no kills last night, and the day previously, we lynched Nhero.

Can you explain your reasoning for this Naru? Do you have someone else that could be scum in mind considering those on the table for lynch mostly claimed?

Not really. I just feel it's the right thing to do.

It isn't. We literally have way too many lynchables to begin with. It really doesn't help already highly likely Town to claim at all, really. Interesting request though...

[RockFire]

I don't understand Poison either honestly but I don't think they're scum.

Ender, how would Poison have an RB every night so far if you're considering the fact that they're a Mafia JOAT? They Rbed Arckas N1, me N2, Nhero N3, and Met to Naru N4 apparently.

Even if you assume Mafia JOAT, that would mean they'd have to have used the real RB on me and a prank on Arckas, Nhero, and Naru. That's not very JOATy to me because that's 4 actions of which we know 2 are confirmed by flip, 1 confirmed by counterwagon, and I can only be Witch or Town from everyone else's perspective.

[RockFire]

Also, I don't understand what psycologically scum means unless you're refering to how you're saying that based off of reads?

I disagree with anyone else claiming until we're either in MYLO or there's only two scum left. And I disagree with avoiding me an Rick entirely because literally all that'll happen is that we delay this another day since Mafia isn't going to kill me while it's happening. I assume Jerme is scum because of what I know, but I'm going to say we lynch Rick today because I also know for sure he's scum so you can't convince me to do something else today Ender.

Also, if you think Rick is Town, Poison cannot be anything other than Witch which is dumb so thinking Poison could be Mafia and a JOAT also means Rick is a liar in that scenario.

[Arcthurus]

As far as we know the invest immune MH could have side abilities instead of just the immunity (immunities?).

[RockFire]

Isn't a invest and/or night immune MH JOAT kind of pushing it in terms of balance since it's a lot of power to give literally one role?

Also, that still doesn't explain how half of the RBs were to people that we know weren't lying now, one is on someone that I think we all agree has to be Town, and one on me. So unless a JOAT somehow has 3 charges for pranks, it makes little sense.