8M | OCTOPATH | Game Over | Town Wins!

[melanora]

Y'all out here building walls like we're about to take a Mexico Vacation.

Anyways.

I had a writeup as to why I thought Rick was scum and then I decided he wasn't and I'm at the point of overthinking to the point that I've decided that Rick not being here is NAI because normally I wouldn't be here on weekends so I get that. Then again it's also Tuesday. If Rick doesn't show up with a wall by tonight, I'll be more concerned.


I'm a little uhh...

Arckas I may be about to roast you.

[Nellyfox]

I think you're over-estimating yourself, Nelly.

hey i was away for a few days ok
im here now
let me live :(

[Arcthurus]

In other news, I see Ender has joined the wall building coalition. And to clarify the Rick situation, I was curious to see what he'd do when I said this:
Spoiler:

Rick seems Town then for responding to me the way he just did considering he spent most of it yelling at me that I'm wrong about what he said being fluff considering he's super offended by the idea. Wanted to see what he'd say being poked.

And he dropped the matter without ever raising a question to anything I was doing when I'm not particularly known for looking for reactions. Seems super complacent to me. Not liking his absence for over a day from the thread either just because Rick is usually more active from what I remember if he's town.

I don't follow, you're saying the town read was fake?

[Arcthurus]

From the looks of his reads, I don't think TP would think about fakeclaiming RB. I don't see anything beneficial for fakeclaiming RBed if the scum has no Consorts.

what do you mean by the looks of it?

[Arcthurus]

Y'all out here building walls like we're about to take a Mexico Vacation.

Anyways.

I had a writeup as to why I thought Rick was scum and then I decided he wasn't and I'm at the point of overthinking to the point that I've decided that Rick not being here is NAI because normally I wouldn't be here on weekends so I get that. Then again it's also Tuesday. If Rick doesn't show up with a wall by tonight, I'll be more concerned.


I'm a little uhh...

Arckas I may be about to roast you.

Hype.
By "thinking rick is scum" you mean just because he's been away? Rock made a differrent (i think) point and so did I.

[Metrion]

Can someone please explain to me what the hell has been going on within the past 12 hours here.

There's like 0 pages. Commit and read the game don't become reliant on others.

I think you're over-estimating yourself, Nelly.

hey i was away for a few days ok
im here now
let me live

Who is scum then?

[Swordsworth]

If it wasn't obvious I don't have the time to play this game. Swords and moon were told this, and despite that there was nothing said.

glhf

It was planned for this to be announced alongside an announcement of this player's replacement arriving, but as it's been said already,
Schultz128 shall be replaced.

[Arckas]

I'm a little uhh...

Arckas I may be about to roast you.

With a setup like I'm already scared.

[Lexiam]

With my internet situation, i will do a super long post once i get internet back

[RockFire]

hey what the heck rockfire i told you to meet me in the pit

I seriously doubt it'll yield anything to talk about the RBs right now so I politely decline madam.

Also,

If it wasn't obvious I don't have the time to play this game. Swords and moon were told this, and despite that there was nothing said.

glhf

Welp.

[RockFire]

Aw man, I hit submit too early. /unvote really.

Anyway, to answer Arc, I said I'd be paranoid of Rick the whole game yet I said I townread him to see what he'd say about that weird interaction I did since I feel it'd be more pursued as an out of a confrontation if Rick were town. So I said he was town when I really didn't have a solid opinion to see what he'd say. Not liking him so far because he dropped it when it made little basis for a read and he said he'd be inactive on the weekends and not the weekdays didn't he? Unless I read it wrong.

Max is being lazy when since the last time they posted there's only been a couple new pages. Just reread the whole thing and give reads and impressions instead of floating around please.

So now I guess we'll have to drag another Mod into this game of eternal suffering eventually. My money is on Var for memes.

[TurdPile]

So now I guess we'll have to drag another Mod into this game of eternal suffering eventually. My money is on Var for memes.

I wonder if Cerilium/Fracie would be open to FM

(long post incoming...)

[TurdPile]

i don't think tp was roleblocked. i think there is a chance he is faking it. and since i am believing in both escort and consort existing, this means that gent was the target of the second roleblocker, which would of course be a consort.

however, my gut says believe the former, and with tp's vote on me with a very weak reason, it feels especially strengthened

Posting this before I forget. But this also keeps making me think Nelly is evil. And possibly the Consort. I mean, this logic leads down the path that Consort can keep roleblocking me every night, so as to make it appear that there's actually only 1 RB role, and I'm just lying about being roleblocked; which I pretty much completely unraveled in the first paragraph of my response to Arckas. Plus along Rick's "fluff" line of thinking, just look at Nelly's ISOs, she's maybe made a handful of on-topic posts, the rest aren't even relevant.

A: I get a gut a feeling that Nelly may be evil, but said nothing. B: I get roleblocked night 1. C: Nelly accuses me out of the blue over an emote in the death note that everyone pretty much agreed was pointless analyzing. D: I call Nelly out for being suspicious of her finally, E: She then claims I'm faking being roleblocked: which makes no sense from a claim standpoint, as I pointed out in this post: #2902090. Majority of Nelly's posts are fluff. Ergo: Nelly still remains strongly on my evil radar.

Also, I just found out that voting immediately lynches and there is no defense phase; however I may have unvoted Nelly due to finding out this information if not for this most recent responses. My vote on Nelly still stands.

Apparently TP thought M4x giving a read on me was defending me.

To be simple, I like the way Naru has been playing and he seems to be one of my stronger town choices.

This public Town read of you is innately a defense of your character. This is what I meant. This type of information is useful later on in the game to determine connections, as Mafia will naturally want to push the image that someone is trustworthy. I'm not insinuating either of you are mafia, or either of you are town; simply the notion that if one is mafia, the other may likely be as well. Simple as that.

I'll also call personal bias on his vote on Nelly just cause I know things, so I call bias.

I don't have any grudge towards nelly in the least; I don't even remember what the event was about besides ValeForRaine being involved. Plus you know for a fact that I hold no grudges against anyone (except one person that isn't even in this game). Plus, you know half of what I do as admin is based on my gut feeling of character, and so far I've only been wrong once (Rekcah). That doesn't mean I'm right here, but in my eyes, knowing Nelly's faction will reveal a lot about the connections between players this game as the dominoes drop and the strings of relations start forming. I'm literally marking down whenever someone defends (or supports) someone, and when they accuse/demerit; I would suggest someone else do the exact same in case I end up dying, because this could be useful information to determine who is related to who in this game.

And RockFire: Trying to use FM logic on someone like me, who hasn't played an FM game in approximately 4(?) years isn't going to get you very far. I only play Coven All Any in TOS which is an even looser role list than this one, which at least tells you the faction count. Gut feeling and player interaction is a large portion of that, and at a much faster pace than this. This is what I'm bringing to the table. And when I say I'm not going back to find the posts, part of it is laziness, and the other part is that I don't want to go back and second-guess myself because generally the first assumption is generally more accurate than the second one (this doesn't apply to meeting someone for the first time obviously).

That said, I have now put Naru-RockFire in the same bed similar to Veeena-Naru. Again, just pointing out these connections, not saying town, not saying mafia. But if I had to follow my logic train, town is: Arckas, RockFire, Naru, Veena.

You confuse me. I also didn't defend M4x, what are you even talking about? I want a more detailed explanation on these.

Sorry, this is the second person to get confused by this xD - what I mean by defense simply means that you assert a potential Town disposition on a player, not that you are defending them against an accusation:

Yeah, M4x I don't care about since she gives her tell pretty early on. She is also faulty of the same thing though.

What I take from this is that you see no mafia tells, and therefore speculating that M4x is town. At least that is how I interpreted this statement.

[Nellyfox]

I think you're over-estimating yourself, Nelly.

hey i was away for a few days ok
im here now
let me live :(

Who is scum then?

well tp is my top choice rn
jerme is also rubbing me weird but idk why. i think it was his "im tired" post. did he even specifically say he slept peacefully. someone pls direct me
also nhero for the awkward caps of Slept Peacefully which you already know
and since i wanted to say this earlier but never did: i dont really peg lexiam as scum atm - i feel like he'd be more worried, even with his internet issue, at being titled so, even on day 1

anyway thats all i got right now. 2 years off fm hasnt suddenly given me the ability to accurately read people. idk if i've ever gotten a read right so dont be surprised if im wrong here, as i do

hey what the heck rockfire i told you to meet me in the pit

I seriously doubt it'll yield anything to talk about the RBs right now so I politely decline madam.

you're no fun

m4x as your ex-mod partner do me a favor and read the thread yourself thanks xx

this post looks like a mess as it is so can someone just post something so i dont double post im gonna respond to tp now

[Veeena]

Max is being lazy when since the last time they posted there's only been a couple new pages. Just reread the whole thing and give reads and impressions instead of floating around please.

I wouldn't consider lazy hosting and playing in two games at the same time, one being an episode. You're only in this solitary game, with your function to just be here. So bear with me or accept that fact. Makes no difference to me.

1) enderitem - Slight Town/Town. Posts are detailed and he keeps asking questions. MY issue is that he dishes out but is not taking anything. Yes you're asking questions, but i want answers. Explain your thoughts on TP and Arckas as soon as you read this.

2) Veeena - Town. Citizen. Get fucked on.

3) Naru2008 - Town. Very citizen-like too. Obviously newer to the FM scene than the rest of us and the man is trying.
Spoiler:

I personally would like some sort of post from Schultz, it's been 2 days since he posted here but is posting otherwise in FM. (No specifics, for obvious reasons. )

I don't think he's sus for not posting, just he simply has a lot on his plate at the moment, and that stuff takes precedent over this. We do have 3 days left before Night 2 rolls around, but I'd still like something from him. I'm sure we'll get something before Night 2, but if it's the last day before Day 2 ends, I'll consider it suspicious at that point in time.

In the mean time, I'm just observing stuff and things. Most posts have been recently calling out people's play-styles from other games they've been in, or the discussion of how people find this person suspicious because of this, etc.

You're observing stuff. I do so too. I observe more than speak. Explain to me your reads throughout Day 2 instead of the piggyback. Explain to me the reasons for Schultz to be suspicious excluding lack of posting.

4) Jerme - Null/Scum. I do NOT like most to all of the posts he has made throughout the game. The opposite spectrum of Naru with the same reasons.
Spoiler:

@Nelly: I did mention that I sleep peacefully in my posts.
I do not like Mets reaction towards the Schultzvote, its seems like a "who cares" to me...

/vote Metrion

This is a great example of short but not enough meat to the bone. How are you feeling about the main speakers other than Metrion (rockfire and rickdaily mainly). Explain.

5) Arckas - Null. He plays as he has played most games I have seen him in. He's articulate, and gives more answers than asks questions. Over-articulation is a symptom i am sensing and it's really shows. The recent responses seem to be just a multitude of words without any content inside of them.
Spoiler:

Normally statement like with what happened to someone at night are expected to be brought up and generally believed. Maybe later evidence pops up that question if they are real or not, but otherwise believed they are. The fact people aren't believing in ordinate statements of being claiming to be roleblocked suggests there is evidence that would question the legitimacy of that claim, but so far nothing substantial other then gut and "feeling forced" have been used as a counterpoint.

Saying that the targets for being roleblocked make no sense is also flimsy reasoning. It's day 1, anyone can be anything. Using and RNG generator for day 1 is a reasonable choice.

To the people doubting these statement out of hand for flimsy reasoning really makes me feel like they have an ulterior motive.

A post like this is basically said as "there is a chance it could have been RNG related or similar" but in more words. The more this occurs, the more I fear this is more of a tactic to be shown as town than actually being town. Explain and give your reads, to the point, as soon as you can.

6) TurdPile - holy shit the strongest Town vibe in this game. Solid reads and responses. Nothing to really argue about here as you already explained your slight scum readings on Rick and Nelly and why you have voted for Nelly. Only tinge is how weird they were "shown" (the reads) and the Naru/myself portion, which seemed to be answered later on by someone else. I ask how you are feeling regarding your reads now that more and more posts have been given out to the public.

7) Guzame - Null/leading Scum. One main post pings me the wrong way for some reason below.
Spoiler:

That's... An interesting choice for a night 1 kill. I assume they picked Gent because they were one of the least likely players to be protected tonight?

I'm looking at the death note, trying to think of who'd leave a message like that. It's got a surprising amount of personality to it, especially with a Lenny face of all things. It's not something I'd expect a lot of players to use. But then again, it could be done on purpose to make the more "memey" players look suspicious?

It's probably not worth it to pursue that line of thinking for now.

Starting the day with this post just feels really strange. It doesn't sound town-oriented and more forced than anything else. Some of the reads too seem to be a bit too "oh the people most talking MUST be town" which also seems forced. Need to look deeper into your shit.

I will do the second half later. Before I post this:

16) NheroArconix - slight Scum. Oh how the flower wilts, my dear. Your iso, even when i know you're usually busy, just isn't looking well for you. Your reads seem to be more forced than genuine because others were asking you to do so and the rest seem to be just agreeing/piggybacking on other's thoughts.
Spoiler:

Morning.

Slept Peacefully.

What makes you say that?

Did I miss a memo or are some of us not going by the age old slept peacefully thing in our first posts of the day anymore?

Basically this, but stating if anything did or didn't happen is still worth finding out. I personally think getting the info out there while I'm still composing my thoughts is important enough to do so.
I'll refrain from posting it in the future if it'd be preferred.

I feel like Gent being the target N1 is just mafia killing priority players. He was active, and there's a lot of players (myself included) without much recent experience (or experience in general), and if you were mafia those are the players you'd want to leave alive earlier on.

This is an example. The content of this post is nonexistant but an "i agree with this". The more this continues, the more it feels it is indeed piggybacking and looking like scum trying to look like town.

[Nellyfox]

i don't think tp was roleblocked. i think there is a chance he is faking it. and since i am believing in both escort and consort existing, this means that gent was the target of the second roleblocker, which would of course be a consort.

however, my gut says believe the former, and with tp's vote on me with a very weak reason, it feels especially strengthened

Posting this before I forget. But this also keeps making me think Nelly is evil. And possibly the Consort.

Finally, something interesting! I've faked Consort blocks in the past, it's definitely something Mafia COULD do but why TP? I don't TP being blocked gives him any credit immediately. I think Rock's dismissal is unfounded given prankster, and consort could just exist.

ya and also rockfire killed me roleblocked me in 7a which is why gent could have also been roleblocked which we wont know unless a medium exists

just in case you think i am a mastermind at creative plans this isnt new

I mean, this logic leads down the path that Consort can keep roleblocking me every night, so as to make it appear that there's actually only 1 RB role, and I'm just lying about being roleblocked

no i dont think so because this makes absolutely zero sense with my theory. why would the consort roleblock you every night if you are scum. why would the consort roleblock you at all if you are scum. hint. they wont. because thats really stupid to actually pull off just in case a lookout exists
i never even said theres one rb role. i said there are two
dead men tell no tales. a consort can roleblock who the mafia attacks and easily claim to be roleblocked. or the consort can be the one doing the killing, since factional kills apparently exist
the more i reread this part of your post the more i get confused. what are you even trying to really say here

Plus along Rick's "fluff" line of thinking, just look at Nelly's ISOs, she's maybe made a handful of on-topic posts, the rest aren't even relevant.

>day 1
link me my day 2 irrelevant posts

A: I get a gut a feeling that Nelly may be evil, but said nothing.

you thought i was scum on day 1? please elaborate. what made me stand out from anyone else who contributed to the memes?

B: I get roleblocked night

so you think i roleblocked you? going off your scumread of me from day 1, that takes a lot of coincidence to pull off. you realize this, right?

C: Nelly accuses me out of the blue over an emote in the death note that everyone pretty much agreed was pointless analyzing.

with my first impression of the death note (which, again, if we're gonna use the ~ meta gaming ~ line of thinking, if my memory isnt failing me i would more often than not go after death notes people left)

i am like 90% sure i called someone out as scum because of a death note in the past. someone verify this for me if it's true. but i am pretty sure analyzing death notes was part of my play style way back when. so it's not really out of the blue
also i never specifically mentioned the emote at all

D: I call Nelly out for being suspicious of her finally, E: She then claims I'm faking being roleblocked: which makes no sense from a claim standpoint, as I pointed out in this post: #2902090.

that post doesnt actually back up what you're saying. in fact it's backing up the complete opposite of what you are saying
your little timeline here is skewing things in your favor. you're missing this key post:

hiii im back from dc

slept peacefully zzz

tbh the death note first impression was TP & idk it feels stronger because he claims to have been roleblocked
sorry i didnt like in depth read everything at all lol so if someone else mentioned this or tagged me in something please quote. im exhausted from travel. thanks

i didnt want to immediately shout out my theory you faked being roleblocked. i just came home from 4ish hours of travel. i didnt want to be asked things and fumble because tired mind and make things worse. however, you're acting like im jumping out with this claim because you called me scummy: false. there is direct implication i held this thought immediately in this cute post

Majority of Nelly's posts are fluff. Ergo: Nelly still remains strongly on my evil radar.

so what makes me different from people who were relatively inactive or say, perhaps, naru, who hasnt exactly done a lot today, and did a lot of "fluff" posting day 1 with me

Spoiler:

I don't have any grudge towards nelly in the least; I don't even remember what the event was about besides ValeForRaine being involved.

nice i actually thought you hated me

Plus, you know half of what I do as admin is based on my gut feeling of character, and so far I've only been wrong once (Rekcah).

deleter

thanks m4x for posting im upset you're uselessly claiming but im gonna believe it for now

[Arckas]

I see that you are right M4x that I over explain the point that the point get's obscured. Let me be clear and direct with what I meant in that point.

If you do not doubt plausible claims through sheer feelings alone, that will betray us all later when actual false claims are put forth. Normalization is a key tool of the mafia- do not participate in it.

That is a key point that goes out to everyone, some more then others. Melanora did this but has flipped to a different point upon realizing the feeling is not an appropriate substitute when no facts are involved. I called Nelly out on that.


I have no current reads on anybody during this time. Anyone can be anything. If I see anything I don't like, I will call it out and ask for an explanation as I've done before ala RockFire.

[Veeena]

I see that you are right M4x that I over explain the point that the point get's obscured. Let me be clear and direct with what I meant in that point.

If you do not doubt plausible claims through sheer feelings alone, that will betray us all later when actual false claims are put forth. Normalization is a key tool of the mafia- do not participate in it.

That is a key point that goes out to everyone, some more then others. Melanora did this but has flipped to a different point upon realizing the feeling is not an appropriate substitute when no facts are involved. I called Nelly out on that.


I have no current reads on anybody during this time. Anyone can be anything. If I see anything I don't like, I will call it out and ask for an explanation as I've done before ala RockFire.

I thank you for this post. It was not meant to look more of an extreme negative connotation that I portrayed it as, but more of a fear in general.
How are you feeling with Naru/TP? Do you feel like this more of a T/T or perhaps there is S in the mix? (I will give my response to this when I get to Nelly)

[NheroArconix]

also nhero for the awkward caps of Slept Peacefully which you already know

When you haven't played FM in a while you forget that small grammatical errors like that on your "slept peacefully" post matter. I didn't even realize I did it until it was mentioned.
There's not a good way to reply to this, because whatever I do to defend it has a pretty good chance of coming off as scummy.
You're also the only player who noticed it and thought anything of it, so im not sure how I feel about that.

@veena the example you gave feels misinterpreted. If someone else states my point I was going to make for me I don't see a reason not to quote them, and I gave my own thought on a completely different matter underneath it that you included for some reason.

A lot of the thoughts I've been having have either been repeated by someone else or proven irrelevant (schulz being replaced and lexiam having supposed internet issues) so give me a bit while I think.

[Arckas]

I have no opinion on Naru and TP other that I admittedly underestimated his ability to FM which has been corrected since his last post.

I hate that I have no idea what "T/T" and "S in the mix" means and am confuzzled

[NheroArconix]

2) Veeena - Town. Citizen. Get fucked on.

I'm not sure if this is supposed to be a hardclaim early on or you just being you but it doesn't give me a good impression.
Nobody has really stated a major read on you yet you felt the need to go out and state "I'm citizen!" early on for what feels like no reason.

[Arckas]

I've got to say I love Veena's claim.

It absolutely means nothing to claim citizen like that. Absolutely no information can be gathered from it no matter whose side you are on. It could me anything, whether you are being truthful and actually a citizen or are actually a PR. It's something I would do... if on it's own serves a ulterior purpose privy to me and me alone.

Sadly I can't divine such a purpose, or if it's just what it is- an empty claim. Absolutely beautiful.

[Nellyfox]

also nhero for the awkward caps of Slept Peacefully which you already know

When you haven't played FM in a while you forget that small grammatical errors like that on your "slept peacefully" post matter. I didn't even realize I did it until it was mentioned.
There's not a good way to reply to this, because whatever I do to defend it has a pretty good chance of coming off as scummy.
You're also the only player who noticed it and thought anything of it, so im not sure how I feel about that.

yeah i agree that there isnt, tho that wasnt rly a post you needed to reply to anyway
i seem to do that a lot (see me yelling about tp right now)

idk how i feel about it either. its nothing big. i dont think you are the lynch today, but its something to keep in mind i suppose

[Veeena]

I have no opinion on Naru and TP other that I admittedly underestimated his ability to FM which has been corrected since his last post.

I hate that I have no idea what "T/T" and "S in the mix" means and am confuzzled

I meant nelly and TP goddammit.

Town/Town or Scum in the mix.

[Veeena]

2) Veeena - Town. Citizen. Get fucked on.

I'm not sure if this is supposed to be a hardclaim early on or you just being you but it doesn't give me a good impression.
Nobody has really stated a major read on you yet you felt the need to go out and state "I'm citizen!" early on for what feels like no reason.

Oh it's an actual claim. And there's a rhyme for the reason.