8M | OCTOPATH | Game Over | Town Wins!

[Rickdaily12]

Arc, Ender said they left for the rest of the day so I don't think he'll be back before day ends in like 18 hours.

I've also explained that part in my posts Rick.

What confused me about Ender is that he has to be lying or Rick is because I know what I did night action wise so unless the D3 thing with Mela and him was an elaborate bussing plan to get two mafia as confirmed town to ride into endgame, it doesn't make sense any other way. That's assuming Ender is lying and if Rick is lying then he's RB immune Witch or Ender and Rick are Mafia together.

Were you notified of anything, Rock? All you said was that your action failed. Do you know why?

Again, completely letting go that you're telling me that you took a shot at someone you told to investigate you for a second.

I take issue that you didn't use your Protective ability on two un-CCed Town members with roleblocks and controlling flying around, but we'll bracket that for a second since I know people are dumbasses with joint abilities and would rather shoot people before healing Town, but that aside- why bother asking me to check you when you're going to take a shot at me, and, do you know why exactly your shot failed?

[Arcthurus]

Unless scum!rick didnt see naru claim roleblocked, which is a clear good block for scum, there's no reason for him to withhold the block. Concretely, Rick and Ender can only be of the same alignment (as in Town or Not Town). So, TP/Poison/Naru etc. Make of that what you will.

"I know what I did" is not what you should be saying Rock after joining met while mocking Jerme.

Isn't Ender by the same logic you said yourself to be not mafia, not mafia? He deliberately presented himself to swing the lynch and if this ends in a mislynch on you then he is outed scum (as is Rick), which is suicide for a mafia team when there is no Canoneer obviously, as you said yourself.

[Arcthurus]

It's also damn near suicidal if they're mafia/witch in whatever order and stupid if Rick is town while Ender is scum since Ender didnt have to lift a finger to get a lynch he wanted on either of you or Jerme (because Ender voted Jerme earlier im assuming theyre not together in a scumteam).

That leaves for your PoV scum rick and town ender, Rock. Riddle us that. Unless you can riddle a world where you're all three town...

[RockFire]

You also don't know how Body Double works apparently. It means you take the hit for someone if they would be attacked. It's BG without the counterattack. Killing Poison is a misplay for Mafia because Witch exists to use an Escort for their benefit. TP is a glorified Cit that's somewhat inactive. Neither are people that would be attacked when other PRs exist.

I figured if Nhero was mafia like we all thought and when he flipped town I decided to shoot you because I didn't think I would be targeted at night for a kill when I'm doming you. The only issue would be getting witched hence why I didn't claim everything I could do. I shot you because I assumed the kill hit the witch because they were immune and I suspected you as the witch and so that's my logic.

As for shots failing, nobody claimed prot to say I had gone into a heal or anything like that. And Arc, there's making bad defense by saying things and me saying my actions mean Rick and Ender have to be scum because otherwise why would Ender claim he saved Rick when Rick is clearly still alive and didn't get RBed as evidence he was saved?
From my PoV that can only mean Rick is either a scum role like Witch that is RB immune and somehow not notified of RBs or both are lying because I shot Rick.

[Rickdaily12]

Rock, are you notified if your targets are immune?

I am sitting here waiting for you to fucking confirm this already or not. Do you know the exact reason why your shot failed?

[Arcthurus]

So yeah I for sure want naru to claim now if he has some legitimate reason to wreck havoc in this fuckfest. That leaves just me and met unclaimed but i think it's pretty obvious what I am.

[Rickdaily12]

Poison, do you mind unvoting so that we stop giving Rock the opportunity to hammer, please?

[RockFire]

I already answered the questions you're asking so you not reading everything is frustrating.

I said before that my shot can fail for multiple reasons if someone is protected or they're night immune. Ender claims to have protected you and no one else has. Hence, if he did save you then you'd have been RBed because of how he said his role works but that's clearly not the case from what you've already said. I know nothing messed with me because I slept peacefully. So you can only be scum and Ender has to be lying or somehow Ender is not lying because of role weirdness.

I know this to be true but he's been a townread for me the whole game so I'm trying to make sense of his claim.

You're at L-2 Rick, nobody is going to hammer you while this is going on and I've already made it clear why my vote is going back on you when this conversation ends.

[RockFire]

Also, I'm confused by Ender because he voted Rick at the beginning of the day but his claim means he had information that would mean to vote me if he were town yet he decided to vote Rick before backing down and assuming Rick was lying about his Night Result and waiting for him to come back?

[Rickdaily12]

So no. I'm frustrated because you've walked in saying that you knew the reason the shot failed was because of immunity when you don't actually know that. And that you somehow need the onus of a protective role claim to justify lynching me today, which is just another of the many reasons why I think the whole thing is just made up.

Rock, I want her to unvote simply because there are a lot of people I know aren't voting me and I trust Poison with the hammer more than you.

So, let's get this straight, then. You claim to be this godly Town role in a name where, again, Town outnumbers Mafia by a factor of more than 3 to 1. You took back JOAT before, then claimed it again with this, knowing how this would look. You don't know why your shot failed, but you claim to know it's probably because I'm a Witch with endless immunity, even though lying about being Parity Cop is suicide as Witch!Rick and Mafia!Rick loses in a 10v3v1 if he busses there. The fact that you charged claiming to know that it was immunity instead of something else and practically demanding a Protective Claim is stupid and reckless given roleblockers and Witches.

If Double kills you, okay fine, but why would a JOAT have that if you're clearly the most important PR in the room? I would understand Parity Checks, Heals, Poisonings and Roleblocks, all of them one shots, but not full checks, doubles, actual bullets and apparently a commute. If you really are this powerful, I don't see why you'd be given abilities that kill you or why Scum wouldn't at least have a constant 2 KP going.

There's just so much about you that I don't understand that it's just easier to believe that you're the Witch and that you've been PR Hunting, have immunity, and have set me up to mislynch as a confirmed Parity from the beginning.

[RockFire]

A lot of people? If you include me when I was voting you, half the game is on you.

And I said from the Nhero lynch we knew that either the Mafia hit the immune witch or a marshal got a save since body claimed anything heal wise that day. I thought you were immune because I figure the prot was a marshal and that they'd be on Poison to stop the Witch so I shot you because it made sense that you wouldn't be protected and I suspected you to be scum.

Full checks? That's not what I said I had. Also no abilities kill me. You're not making sense again.

[PoisonMaid]

I'm confused .. ender's claim just mind ... blooped me..
This hurts.. so badly.
There was only one person RBed. Naru. I RBed Metrion, but didnt happen. Ender targeted to protect Rick. I don't even want to finish my thought process on all of this..
Just someone start a wagon. I give up.

Are we going to do a full role claim yet? I feel like it needs to happen. Because fluff the "witch/control thing"
/unvote

[Rickdaily12]

A lot of people? If you include me when I was voting you, half the game is on you.

And I said from the Nhero lynch we knew that either the Mafia hit the immune witch or a marshal got a save since body claimed anything heal wise that day. I thought you were immune because I figure the prot was a marshal and that they'd be on Poison to stop the Witch so I shot you because it made sense that you wouldn't be protected and I suspected you to be scum.

Full checks? That's not what I said I had. Also no abilities kill me. You're not making sense again.

I'm saying that JOAT should never have anything stupid like full checks (powerful), doubles (uselessly stupid), gunshots (powerful), or commutes (powerful). You're 3/4 on being too those standards, and the fact that you have a commute apparently instead of a roleblock sounds more like a night immunity claim than a JOAT.

And I don't care what you're claiming to have thought, far as I'm concerned this is retroactive with the goal of lynching me in mind because I still know that I wouldn't have done what you did if you really are the JOAT you claim to be. I doubt I would have any useless Protective abilities and I would never shoot someone claiming to be a TI when one is already dead.

Say whatever you want, neither of these points make you Town as far as I'm concerned.

[Rickdaily12]

3/4 on being too misdesigned* to be

Seriously, why is it that half the time I have to erase something and write a better word, it goes missing when I hit Preview?

[RockFire]

Also, I'm confused by Ender because he voted Rick at the beginning of the day but his claim means he had information that would mean to vote me if he were town yet he decided to vote Rick before backing down and assuming Rick was lying about his Night Result and waiting for him to come back?

Yeah, still doesn't make sense but now that being at L-1 is a non issue because this entire game has just been using full day phases for memes.

/vote RickDaily12

Also I don't have full checks nerd. It's literally just a two shot Parity Cop to get the result of same or different. My commute and body double is why I assumed there's only one prot when I was saying why I thought the rolelist meant you and I couldn't both be town.

[Rickdaily12]

jfc mfw you bitch about me not reading what you write but then go on to not read what I write.

JOAT should NOT have [i]ANY[/i] OF THOSE FOUR.

YOU HAVE THREE OF THOSE FOUR.

In here is NOT a "Rock says he has a Full Check", in here is a criteria that would disqualify you from being a JOAT in my mind. The one that I never said that you said you had, you pick at.

[RockFire]

Rick the point of JOATs is literally to have abilities from each of the alignments. I'm done having this conversation because you don't understand the point of a JOAT or you're just grasping at straws here since the point is that they have an investigative, protective, killing, and support ability. My reasoning for thinking there's only 6 PRs being Vig, Cop, Protective, Inno Child, Escort, and me is because being a JOAT in a game with more than one other PR in this set up is not how balance works.

Either way this has contributed nothing and been a waste of everyone's time.

[Rickdaily12]

Rick the point of JOATs is literally to have abilities from each of the alignments. I'm done having this conversation because you don't understand the point of a JOAT or you're just grasping at straws here since the point is that they have an investigative, protective, killing, and support ability. My reasoning for thinking there's only 6 PRs being Vig, Cop, Protective, Inno Child, Escort, and me is because being a JOAT in a game with more than one other PR in this set up is not how balance works.

Either way this has contributed nothing and been a waste of everyone's time.

We can argue the design of a JOAT later when I'm already convinced your role shouldn't exist. The Parity one shot is fine, but again, everything else is wack. Double is still uselessly stupid as fuck when you're basically the Town Power and your Killing/Support aspects are too strong for this game and, again, hypocrite- you have literally used this as an argument to state that I have lied about my role for no good reason at all besides to basically throw the game.

I still maintain that what you said your thoughts were last night are more likely to retroactively explain night immunity and why I should be lynched. I'm sure you have a pretty elaborate excuse for when I flip Parity Cop too, but whatever.

Hell, at this point I see you even have been attacked last night and saying tomorrow that you lied about shooting me and that you commuted instead. Isn't your JOAT claim wonderful in that you can pull anything out of your ass as a reason to avoid lynch?

[Metrion]

Town argues with scum for a page; take 2.

[Arcthurus]

I think it's pretty clear and cut now.

For anyone not entirely caught up (TP), Ender's claim is essentially a Doctor who roleblocks their target if that target was saved from death, and the target is only informed of the roleblock instead of the save. Given Rick did not claim roleblocked, this means Ender is directly counterclaiming Rock's shot on Rick.

What do you think Met? Do you think Rick conceals a roleblock here as either Witch or Mafia?

[Arcthurus]

I think it's pretty clear and cut now.

I say, as I stay paranoid and confused and alone

[Jerme]

Since some of you think too mic hthat I am obvious scum, I vote for me and be done with it, so you can see that I am a townie and bad at FM.
/vote Jerme

I currently do not know who of Rick or Rock is scum, so i keep out of it.

[TurdPile]

/unvote

I think a SvS this late in the game is very very unlikely so, going to lay out lynch benefits... mostly for myself.

Rick flips Mafia: Proves Rock, proves Ender, lessens sus on Jerme/Poison(for Arc)/Veeena(outright vote), increases sus on Arc.
Rick flips Town: Proves Rock, proves Ender, increases sus on Jerme/Veeena/Poison, Arc not sus.
Rick flips Witch: Proves Rock, proves Ender... pretty sure just that.

Rock flips Mafia: Proves Rick, proves Ender, increases sus on Jerme/Veena.
Rock flips Town: Proves Rick, increases sus on Ender/Jerme/Veena/Arc
Rock flips Witch: Proves Rick, decreases sus on Ender/Jerme/Veena/Arc

This is pretty even, unless i missed something. Either lynch gives us quite a bit of data. I think at this stage in the game, Town could stand to lose JOAT more than it can stand to lose Parity Cop at the risk of a Town flip.

Sorry Rock


/vote RockFire

[TurdPile]

Also, Jerme - you know, as does everyone else, that you won't get voted, regardless of your vote. That is pretty silly. And your last statement, if neither Rock nor Rick are Witch, seems quite Witch-like thinking as well (ie: dont want to vote in case Town flip and appear scummy, don't want to vote in case Mafia flip and lessens own chance of winning). You aren't doing yourselves any favors here.

[LevinSnakesRise]

So long-story short, no tv or internet, as of 5pm EST yesterday, and they said it probably won't be fixed until late tonight so I probably won't be able to participate further for this day. I leave the rest to you guys. o/