Arcthurus wrote:Before I begin, I started typing this a long ass time ago. The last message I read was M4x asking questions to Nelly, fyi.
First of all, I'll present what i had in mind about arckas. I indulged him to see how far he'd go regarding the benefits of the "two-rbs-on-tp" idea, and he seemed to defend it with certainty. However, and now that I know he was apparently not mafia in cykotine thus making me more sure of this (as he'd have no way of knowing), he at no point realizes that a Consort could choose to carry the kill themselves through the Mafia Tactical mechanic, confident that they'd instead
waste an action. This is what I was trying to figure out when asking rock/the general opinion on how good of a faker he can be, paranoia that he did that 'townslip' on purpose.
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Moving on to Jerme. He's either one of two things:
1) A world-champion 4D-chess player, FBI/KGB triple agent, galaxy brain Mafia Genius capable of extreme manipulation of not only minds but, who knows, the fabric of time and space itself
2) Not mafia, because no team worth it's salt would just let someone who is literally a new player walk this aimless through the day. And even if said team is that bad at communication, I've looked through his posts and I can't find anyone in specific who he could be sponging (mimicking) his thoughts off of as I'd expect from mafia trying to fit in, specially his Met vote. As for that, I believe everyone here thought of
someone first as soon as they saw the DN, and to me Jerme's fixation on Met seems to be him acting on that first instinct. Finally Rick proposed that his suggestion to be double-blocked could be fluff attempting to pose as town, but that seems to me like overestimating him as a level 2 player (deeper planning abilities)
As for wether he's neutral, Idunno. I believe he'd assume the block suggestion to be taken to it's conclusion, so he'd have to be roleblock immune, witch being literally the only one out of the standard ones iirc.
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Next is Guzame.
I've combed over the entire D2, and the arguments I found were (three from day start): "Guzame's reaction to the night kill was weird", "death note fluff", "didnt react to gent" plus the "he didnt bring up his scumread on gent beforehand". I'm ignoring Obi's apparent contradiction because it looked incomplete without the quotes he was referring to, and Rick's meta read because he's not 'being town enough' which is too subjective for me since its meta based.
I can't see how his comment on Gent's death is any worse than any comment, really. I've tried to understand what exactly people think is bad about it on my own, since apparently there's an unwritten agreement to not outright state what's the problem. The only thing I can conclude is that it's attempting to distance himself from the kill, like "Wow I cant believe Gent is dead!", but to me that comment seems just as distancing as was
schultz's,
ender's,
naru's,
mela's,
obi's yeah. All of them, in some degree, poke fun at gent, and implicitly clear themselves by expressing surprise or a "oh well".
DN fluff- Yes it doesn't/didn't lead anywhere. But bringing up a (single) subject (once) that doesn't is not strong enough to make me think that someone is trying to waste the day. I might've also said this already but the strategy of wasting the day and ending your post with a self-callout is shooting yourself in the foot and just doesn't make too much sense. Same goes for an strat of trying to look game-solvy.
Ignoring gent- This one is ender specific iirc and actually works for lexiam too: i'd be surprised if
anyone took gent's comments seriously. Maybe I'm biased because I've had my fair share of ignoring one-liner drivel as either alignment but this one just doesn't fly with me.
Not bringing up his read beforehand- Another unwritten problem brought up. I have to assume it's the same thing about distancing from the kill/gaining cred? But it's so "transparent" of a play that I can't see him doing it seriously. In fact it'd make
more sense (but still not a
whole lot of that...) for mafia!Guzame if he DID call gent scummy d1, because he could then argue, as a defense, one of his lynch options was removed and thus he couldn't be scum.
I realize that this isn't a read on Guzame by itself, but I realized this day had a vibe of having Guz as a general lynch option since Ender, and there was never any real scrutinization of the reasons why. For Guzame himself, I just couldn't find anything that really stood out to me as bad. I have a line of thinking I'm pursuing right now (hence my question) but it'll probably just confirm the reasonable alternative.
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Lexiam I have no opinion on him in a vacuum. Despite his pop-ins without content, hes not someone who makes an effort regardless of alignment. I'll have to look at the evolution of the wagon through the day for information. I hate lynching someone who's basically been not here, which is why I'm running against the clock to figure out if I can find a better option.
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There's other people I've yet to look at (M4x/Nhero/Naru/Ender) but I want to post this ASAP, I'm also pretty sure I won't have the time to do so.
@RICK Should we no-lynch?
Trick question: no.
(that one nfm, remember?)