8M | OCTOPATH | Game Over | Town Wins!

[LevinSnakesRise]

My confusion is immesurable and my reads are ruined.

The first part is totally relevant.

[Metrion]

[TurdPile]

I actually am a JOAT

[Arcthurus]

What's the rest?

[Metrion]

What's the rest?

I assume you have doubt on his claim then.

[Jerme]

As you wish Ender:
possiuble Medium mentioned

It is also a matter of scarecrowing to make sure the possible Medium does not reveal. Nevertheless, you asking for evidence here isn't something I am really fond of to be perfectly honest.

Then you stated something about an offsite communication rule, that would hint a Medium (but could just also mean the Maf-chat?)

Then you gave a rolelist, which you added a confirmed medium.

Rolelist
Escort
Cop (Gent)
Vigilante
Protective
Medium
Might be the Parity Cop
Citizen (Nelly)
Citizen (guzame)
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen

Nobody (soft)claimed Medium as far as I've seen, so where did you get that from?

[Arcthurus]

I'm pretty sure Witch would fool a parity cop. 99% sure. So that'd be Town/GF/Witch.

What's the rest?

I assume you have doubt on his claim then.

Rick!Witch wasn't contacted by a Blackmailer. That GF would both have a marionette AND be a blackmailer? Because the second mafia is mafioso/prankster for sure.

Rick!Mafia is stupid. Yeah okay, you just lost your first mafia and you're gonna bus a second one the next day? AND not use your confirmed town status to clear your remaining known ally? Can you even say you rolled mafia at that point?

I don't understand how Rock isn't seeing this and I'm thinking maybe I was right to subtly remove him from the not witch pile.

[Arcthurus]

Jerme stop for fucks sake and do some other shit

[Metrion]

That's about Rick not Rock.

I have no intention to vote either today.

[Jerme]

What would "some other shit" include, Arc?
Anyway, that Rock reveal is odd. Claim JOAT, retract claim, reclaim.

[enderitem]

I know for a fact that one of the Mafia can't be Prankster and is likely a Mafioso is because my roleblock yesterday was real. Hence why I've been saying Mafioso/Prankster this entire time. I used my N1 Parity Cop on Arc because I thought he would be a likely candidate to be night killed, hence why I pushed that theory when originally questioning Rick on his claim. I tried targetting Poison N2 but was roleblocked but that wouldn't stop my results from showing up if it was a prank and I still had the ability to use it last night. The mela flip got me to buy Rick was Town so I figured that maybe he'd check Poison so I checked Max since I figured it'd tell me about his interactions with Nhero but I got a same result which is why I've been saying Max can only be Citizen or GF.

Obi also claimed roleblocked that day right? Maybe he got the Prankster in this case instead of you? Maybe Swords had the idea of giving Town whatever means of ez roles as possible since he didn't believe the playerlist was incapable of making solid reads, who knows about that argument tbh. The balance of this game seems all over the place at the moment. I think there is one way to find out the truth and since Rick can only be the Witch if your claim is true, the Mafia pool we had in mind hasn't changed at all. I still think lynching Nhero is the best course of action we can take here and night findings of yours and Rick will ensure who is scum and who is Town in this scenario, albeit it seems more like a trivial issue at this point thanks to your claims. Like either of you is bound to find the Mafia and either of you is bound to tell the truth at least and considering you are indeed a JOAT, it is safe to assume that you have other means of dealing with scum, correct?

Jerme I literally explained that in the rolelist post, it was obvious to assume Medium at the time:

Dead players may only speak to dead players, with a Medium using their night action being the only exception to this rule. Breaking this rule will result in being blacklisted from future games.

This is the first time I have seen a Innocent Child in action actually. I was quite surprised.

[Arcthurus]

So I was mulling this over and we've got 14 people alive so right now this is a 10v3v1 and I guess it's Witch so it's really 10v4 and then there's the Marionette which I'm assuming is scum orientated from what happened yesterday which is 10v5.

Assuming Rick is scum and lying to our faces doesn't make sense to me when an ML is 9v5 and then a kill is 8v5 and scum wouldn't get majority here at all. Lynching Rick if he lies is 8v4 unless he's double voting and night would give 7v4 which means it's still two MLs before we lose majority.

Mela can you seriously just make one long catchup post instead of several short ones?

And Met just made me have to double take but I'm assuming this is a meme.

Just saying that someone is a liar is a bad defense FYI. And now I'm starting to believe Rick because Mela is yelling he's lying without much else.

What happened to this?

[RockFire]

I do have other things I can do and I'm not going to reveal that because it's dumb to do so at the moment. I just know I have a lot of power in my night actions which is why I don't believe Rick in the slightest after Obi and Arckas flipped because the rolelist now points to Rick lying.

Also, Arc as for what you're saying my Parity actions would tell me if any two people are of the same or different alignments and that's all I know which I assume means the action could be used to find the Witch since killing them isn't in our wincon which would mean they're a different alignment.

And Arc, I was going over the possibilities in my mind when I said that because I was super unsure of of what the hell the claim meant in regards to my role since having so much TI power is stupid without a Framer and my results as well as who flipped today are the reason I've claimed since no Framer is stupid right now.

[enderitem]

The mountain trip starts for me now. Good luck as I will be gone for a week.

[Arcthurus]

That's about Rick not Rock.

I have no intention to vote either today.

Well I looked back his ISO just now, if he's really witch he targeted neither mela/lexiam given how he put suspicion over the two of them. He essentially never mentions nhero and m4x before d4.
I don't think he's mafia either for the same reason, the plan of reaction testing doesn't seem too sound.
A couple of posts seem to point towards what he's saying, but it's vague enough stuff not to be concrete. So... eh. Who knows. Maybe I'm scumreading him for being a dingus.

Arguing about balance is shaky. For all we know Town has no protectives.

Anyway it remains that if Rick is any scum, it's only Witch and even that is questionable just because it's incredibly bold and is a claim that can ONLY backfire. I noticed it while typing this paragraph but if he's witch he either 1) lynches town and thats good for scum but makes him look bad; 2) lynches mafia which is good for his appearance but hinders his team a lot. Yeah its a very stupid plan and definitely didnt happen.

[Jerme]

Poison has yet to say something at day 4...
Has anything happened to you PoisonMaid?

[Arcthurus]

Well it has then looking back on it. It just didn't become a huge deal until D3 when they started voting each other.

Well, I don't know why Max would have claimed that they're Citizen since D2 as scum aside from GF because that's dumb to do unless you're invest immune even with a dead TI slot so I guess I'll put my money on Nhero flipping scum. Mostly because I can sort of understand the idea behind it even though I think it's flawed to ever just say "lynch me" regardless of alignment. Nhero is the simplest choice so Occam's razor.

I don't see the SvS argument for them though since this would have to have been planned the entire game and it didn't solidify until D3 and D2 nothing much was going on until Nhero started saying Max was suspect for not giving the last half of their reads list.

/vote Nhero

That should make 3 on them with majority being 6 since we're 11 now with the Arckas modkill.

Then why the fuck did you check m4x??

[RockFire]

It's just that nothing Rick has done is Town besides the claim which is what bugs me and he was on the lynch block yesterday and only really got out of it by claiming.

And I was pushing Rick earlier to see what he'd say and the whole thing where I questioned him about stuff looked like a Witch slip because he said it was just semantics but I don't think so. I originally was pursuing Rick being Mafia because of that but then that made me think he was Witch which is why I started pressing him about things relating to that to see what he'd say.

Also Arc, I said that after I checked them because of what I got result wise. Also, because I wanted to see more about their whole Nhero thing going on Day 3 and I was also thinking Rick was town at this point when I was going into the night because of the mela flip.

If I had thought it over then instead of now I'd have checked Rick instead of Max.

[Arcthurus]

The latter Jerme.

I was looking back on the whole Rick v Mela thing and their interactions because of how I'm thinking about how everything out so far points to there not being a framer which means two TI roles like Cop and Parity Cop are super town sided and a Vig with clearly more than one shot would point away from that especially with the lack of any framing role flip.

Furthermore, since Mafia lost the Consort and were in bad spot I can see a risky play to hard bus someone to get Town cred to carry them to endgame where they just need to lie about a result to get an easy ML win.

The reason why I'm thinking this is because Mela and Rick kind of just don't mess with each other D2 aside from Mela just saying paranoia for everyone and not reading anyone at all while Rick gutreads Mela as Town which is easy to fake as scum since all you say is "I feel they're Town". Then, in D3 when Rick calls out Mela she spends the entire time Town Reading him while catching up even though she knows she's been accused until she flips to scum reading him without considering a framer. This could be because Mafia lack a framer so she didn't even think of that possibility at first.

She proceeds to say Rick is scum the entire time without really voting him until the very end when her lynch is all but assured and she didn't vote him at all when I did my test even if it would make sense to do so both as Town or scum because it gives you an out regardless since you prove someone is scum mechanically by the claim. Also I don't like the Poison check because we were all super wary of a Framer yesterday and he still checked them when he said he was more interested in the Max/Nhero interaction would give more information on both through checking one or the other over Poison who if they aren't scum is an easy frame.

Side note, that would mean Marionette has to be a passive ability on GF or Witch or something like that now that I think about it. This would mean not killing would be a valid strategy to ensure an ML if neither of the two remaining Mafia is in the Nhero, Posion, and Max pool since that's an easy ML pool if they're all not Mafia and I super doubt any one of them is the Witch.

You thought N3 that Rick was town and he'd check Poison but here you say you dislike the poison check??? What the fuck???

[RockFire]

Honestly at that point I will admit that was me just me tunneling because the flips are what made me think there's no way I'd exist with Rick being Town after both Obi and Arckas had been flipped.

And I was finding justifications without revealing my role since I wasn't planning on doing it today but I decided it'd be better to get everything out there since with how much I was pushing Rick, it was obvious I knew something.

[Arcthurus]

But you had past flips the whole night to make sense of things? I don't see how an inno child flip changed your mind. And you chose to only try to interpret both that and m4x's actions (unless that "interpretation" was an outright lie) going into the day?

[Arcthurus]

I have no idea where exactly I'm headed here but I'm sure as hell not lynching Rick. This is a nhero/m4x day.

You're not making any sense and not giving enough here to make me follow you. My points on why Rick isnt witch/mafia stand. I still don't think you're mafia for lex/mela but you're at the very least a hindrance.

[Arcthurus]

So Arc, you think Max and Nhero are just distancing and have been doing so since yesterday because Mela was called out by Rick? I'm going to go back and check to see their thoughts on D2 actually.

Max, what is even your plan because what you're doing doesn't make sense at all.

1. I am lynched, shown as citizen, associations confirm Lily as scum.
2. Lily is lynched the next day.

A 1 to 1 tradeoff to remove scum.

Ok so what happens when I flip town.
Not if, when.


Maybe im just bad or frustrated or something but I don't know what I can say or do to convince you all I'm town, but I am.
Watching this day go "ok lynch town because nobody's willing to try and investigate the other scumread" is not fun and incredibly taxing on me mentally.

At this point all I have to say because I don't think I can convince you all at this point is that Poison has yet to post. Maybe im just hopeful something will be there so make what you will of it. You've seen my thoughts on Veeena.

If you're town you're gonna have to convince us that either the witch was attacked, or that the mafia no-killed.

[Arcthurus]

well this went quiet

this is so sad, alexa can we get a votecount?

[RockFire]

Since we're not talking about anything else since this entire thing died, can I ask what the plan is if Nhero flips town since it looks like that's where we're going? Because then even if you think Max is Mafia and so is Poison as remains on mostly everyone's list of lynches, then Rick and I's claimed results contradict each other since only the head of the Mafia has invest immunity from the GF rolecard.

Also, I didn't metion Nhero and Max earlier because I literally didn't know what to do with them because Max claiming was weird regardless of what they are and Nhero was drifting around and I couldn't get a solid feel off of them at all unlike how I had a whole bunch of Town reads by the end of D2 but no strong scum ones, hence why I assumed scum was just coasting and not doing much in the day during then and I turned out to be right along with most of my revealed town reads.