8M | OCTOPATH | Game Over | Town Wins!

[RockFire]

That's not the most relevant part of that post though. We can talk about this later. Right now I want to hear why you think the Witch could be literally anyone besides Naru and TP.

[Jerme]

Regardign the RB things - I volunteer as a tribute for both roelblockers to visit me tonight.

I think this was what Rock means. If its not, I'd like to also see a clarification.

Also I do feel ignored.

[Rickdaily12]

That's not the most relevant part of that post though. We can talk about this later. Right now I want to hear why you think the Witch could be literally anyone besides Naru and TP.

Naru and Turd were the witch targets.

The rest? Everyone else in the room has a brain. Everyone in this room has played Town of Salem. Everyone in this room knows what to do as a Witch if you think you see a Vigilante. If you look at someone you think is acting like at vig, you point that person to someone else you think is Town.

People in this game might be new to Forum Mafia, but everyone in this room should know what to do as a Witch.

[RockFire]

Now you see, I don't think Max would claim Citizen so early in this game unless they were GF or actually Town, yeah? You agree to that yes? What about Nhero? If you think the RB makes them Mafia then clearly they aren't Witch. Poison is super inactive and I doubt she read the thread closely enough to be able to realize the TP thing.

Now who does that leave as possibly being Witch?

[Rickdaily12]

Now you see, I don't think Max would claim Citizen so early in this game unless they were GF or actually Town, yeah? You agree to that yes?

Actually, I don't see Town!M4x doing this for any good reason at all. Claiming this so early in the game doesn't help Town- if she's Citizen she should want to be a night action magnet, and what does claiming Citizen actually do in terms of you being Town? You make it more likely for people to avoid using any action on you. If anything you're just making regret not checking her, I guess.

What about Nhero? If you think the RB makes them Mafia then clearly they aren't Witch. Poison is super inactive and I doubt she read the thread closely enough to be able to realize the TP thing.

But why would Mafia!Nhero be so quick to claim being roleblocked when she sees that Mafia hasn't made a kill last night? We don't even know how many roleblockers are in the game right now, so the instant claim of it despite that doesn't really strike me as something Mafia would do. Witch!Nhero probably wouldn't mind claiming it, unless this copy of the Witch isn't roleblock immune.

Another thing I'm also just now noticing is that in this game, we aren't explicitly told which killing role has targeted who. It's possible that Mafia withheld their action, or attacked the Witch, but also: Swords, if two killing roles target the same person, is there any way we would be able to know this if that target dies?

Finally, Rock, it's not like people who are inactive in thread can't read it later during the Night Phase. I get what you're saying, I don't really like Poison for Witch too much myself, but you're still being extremely presumptuous and short sighted that I don't really support your argument at all. Who can be Witch? Literally everyone. I don't think there's any argument you can make that convinces me of that short of speculation at best, and I think you're wasting time by making that argument in the first place. You can argue who is more likely to be Witch more than others, but the moment you tell me there's only four suspects I have to stop listening.

[RockFire]

Finally, Rock, it's not like people who are inactive in thread can't read it later during the Night Phase. I get what you're saying,I don't really like Poison for Witch too much myself, but you're still being extremely presumptuous and short sighted that I don't really support your argument at all. Who can be Witch? Literally everyone. I don't think there's any argument you can make that convinces me of that short of speculation at best, and I think you're wasting time by making that argument in the first place. You can argue who is more likely to be Witch more than others, but the moment you tell me there's only four suspects I have to stop listening.

[Rickdaily12]

Okay, you know what, fuck this. I'm done here. I literally can't say anything without you twisting it.

I'm not ruling out Poison as Witch. Stop fucking asking me to. Stop being a dick about it. You're agitating me so much it's not even funny.

[RockFire]

Very poor reception to being pushed upon for answers.

Arc, Met, can I ask you guys to level with me here. Witch thoughts and who would have been able to figure out TP was the Vig among all of us.

[Jerme]

I'd say Arc, me, Rock, Rick, Met, maybe Poison, Veeena and Nhero.

[RockFire]

Jerme, if we assume Nhero is Mafia off the RB then they can't be Mafia, yeah? Then Max has to be Town from their interactions with Nhero, right?

Poison is unlikely for the previously stated reasons.

I'm just baffled why Rick wouldn't expand to try and figure things out and just say "Anyone really" in response to the Witch argument because it makes sense right? I need more opinions here.

[Rickdaily12]

You started the discussion by theorizing that I would bus in a game I would have to be brain dead to attempt in the situation you painted. You've been hostile at best with your questioning since then from a point where I already felt too insulted and irritated to continue wanting to talk to you.

So excuse me for being short with you, I literally just do not want to keep talking to you for the time being.

If you want a more indepth analysis, I fucking asked you if you preferred this more instead. Thanks for not just telling me that you were looking for this. I'm going to calm down and do other things and I'll more seriously consider Witch suspects when I'm less agitated.

If you want a constructive conversation with me, stop fucking opening it with accusations or insults. I'm really losing ny patience with you.

[RockFire]

I still don't see how talking about the bussing thing makes me insult you when it's literally the smartest play to do if the Mafia are all up on the chopping block in the early game because otherwise what can you do besides lose the game. If anything I'm complimenting you since I assume you'd have enough game sense to do so.

Reacting with anger every time I push you at all is just weird because it's like your default response now and it looks very AtE-like just to get me to back off from you and stop asking so much. You literally weren't trying to find scum at all D2 while other people were pushing others for answers and nobody has really pushed you for anything and when it happens, you get upset at my arguments. I didn't even bring up activity the whole of D3 and just said it was too quiet instead. Also you kept asking people like Met and Obi about their whole softing business earlier in the game and it looked like fishing.

[Jerme]

I forgot to add that the mentioned ones culd've been Witch. Also why would the roleblock thingy doesn't make Nhero maf? They could still be RB immune (consort), or have Mela carry out the factional kill.

[enderitem]

My trip has been postphoned to tomorrow because I had weekend classes that lasted for 12 hours hence my late arrival. I don't think I will be of much help after this post, I am afraid. I will try my best to make it count.

So, if I read mel's rolecard right, she is useless N1 right? Like, I don't think there is anything to repeat N1 and the role itself doesn't seem good to begin with. Was she the one doing the roleblocks since we only have 1 today? I need a quick example on how she works to undestand it. Like, can she force a Vig to waste a bullet for example? We are missing lots of information too:
1) Who was controlled N1? I think Witch and Mafia might have found out about each other by Mafia hiding this action. Otherwise, I don't think it makes sense for Town to hide right now.
2) Who is doing the RBs of Mafia now? Does it even exist anymore? mel doesn't seem like it despite the results. Her flip says nothing about roleblocking.
3) What was the "sinister presence" I felt N2 and why has nobody else claimed this? Is this a secondary ability of Witch? I literally have no idea about this one and I am extremely confused by it.
4) Why did Mafia not kill anyone last night? Rick doesn't seem like he was saved. Witch being attacked sounds like a rare possibility considering me, Obi, Naru or maybe TP were by far the better choices from Mafia PoV at least. Like, I felt like Obi was softing way too hard as an Escort there. I am surprised with that flip. I didn't think he meant he would prove his claim by getting shot by the Vig, absolute madman.
5) Do Mods have roles? I know I would do it.

I must admit Arckas's death helped me a lot, I was extremely confused by his attitude during the start of D2. I really don't like people whom allow themselves, no, asks others for votes to be lynched so easily. Like M4x right now.
Let's rule out the players that are most definitely not Mafia for obvious reasons: I, Naru, TP, Rick, probably Met, Arcthurus and Rock. This list is the one that matters.
I don't think I need to explain why me, Naru, Rick, TP and most likely Met are not Mafia. Sacrificing Mafia is not an option in this game, especially a Consort and especially when you have 3 of them left. Their numbers are extremely rare to begin with and I don't think it is possible to get to a point of parity with so many powerful PRs in the game. I also just want to believe that both Arcthurus and Rockfire are at least Neutral if not Town at this point. They are doing their best after all. I personally think it is impossible to find a Neutral in this game without investigatives, they probably and primarily want to survive after all. Their secondary objective is definitely searching for the roles of others so anyone phishing for roles is obviously suspicious as well. I am not sure if reads are going to be of much help here either unless you guys can find someone who was trying their best to stay under the radar. Anyway, lynching Mafia will win us the game in the end and finding Witch is extremely tough from what I can see.
So 2 of Poison, M4x, Nhero and least likely Jerme being Mafia must be the only explanation and I think it works in one certain manner.

Nhero's RB claim seems weird considering the timing and judging from her posts, she thought that Mafia (in this case M4x) was framing her at the time. From Mafia standpoint, it seems more plausible for her to hide this RB to expose the Escort but considering how many Mafia has lost, I think one can argue that appearing as Townie as possible to postphone a lynch is the better option here. I think her reaction can go either way.
M4x's tell for me is scum regardless of Nhero's flip tbh. Her contribution to this game can be summed up by one post divided into 2 parts and I feel like she has been lolcatting for both D3 and D4 so there... I think her and Nhero's interactions could be severe distancing as well. Their fights look extremely artificial in my opinion. They have been at each other's throats since the beginning of the game without any actually solid reason and considering their votes on each other happened during a time it was obvious that neither of them would get lynched for anything, it really makes me think what they are doing might be a huge charade to save each other from getting lynched at least. I hope you guys can see where I am coming from here because some of you still disagree on my views regarding votes and it's just... stop pls.
Jerme is in this list because I don't feel strongly about him on any alignment here compared to the others. I am yet to analyze his ISO.
PoisonMaid is an odd one. She literally found everyone to be suspicious for her entrance and stuck to those for the rest of the game and some of her reads are well, out of the ordinary. Although just like Jerme, I could not find any post that screamed scum. Maybe a kill didn't happen because she was inactive, who knows tbh.

TL;DR: Witch shouldn't influence our lynches when it is 8v2v1 and when at least 5 of that 8 players is confirmed Town... it should be obvious that we got this in the bag and Rick and possibly Escort should be able to gamesolve eventually: /vote NheroArconix since I might not be able to in the future.

[Veeena]

Don't be a bitch then Rick and vote me up. It'll show Nhero as scum and we will still be okay with my one mislynch.

[LevinSnakesRise]

What if M4x is legit scum and is just trying to throw us off?


I do find that Rick is acting rather out of character, and not quite what I have seen in other games previously. I've never seen him get so riled up, even with another staff member, to the amount of vulgarity he's pushing into his posts lately. Whether this is an oddity with basis, or just an observation, has yet to be seen.


So any clues (not including who we should vote for) what we should do next? Any ideas?

[Metrion]

Which is Witch

1) enderitem
2) Veeena
3) Naru2008
4) Jerme
14) Arcthurus
17) PoisonMaid

Honestly I think the Witch is Ender.

I think Rock's thought process is clearly town. I think it was dumb reading both of your posts on the last page it was only interesting within the first few posts and the devolved quick. I think Rock's Rick harassment is weird but it feels genuine when you look back at the reaction test from yesterday. Rick makes some bad points as well; more on those further down. Rick is town at this junction I feel like Scum Rick even if bussing would not pick Mel and Ender to parity cop at least let us try and mislynch then lynch a mafia member the next day instead the lynch was set on Mel. Unless things change Rick is town and I'm not even going to entertain people shading him unless all other scum are dead and he starts scumming shit up. He claimed parity cop and we still have an escort.

>actually making me try.

would never bus Mafia in a 10v3v1 where Witch can't ever know the Mafia and Town has Power Roles. I feel directly personally insulted if you're even fucking bothering arguing this.

This implies witch was known D2, we knew about witch D3.

Stop AtEing, this is supposed to be a fun game. I'm listening to some squid sisters writing this helps me not tell people they're explatives and feel insulted.

But why would Mafia!Nhero be so quick to claim being roleblocked when she sees that Mafia hasn't made a kill last night? We don't even know how many roleblockers are in the game right now, so the instant claim of it despite that doesn't really strike me as something Mafia would do. Witch!Nhero probably wouldn't mind claiming it, unless this copy of the Witch isn't roleblock immune.

Because not claiming is absolutely damning and as scum they know the escort blocked them. Bad point. It comes down to Nhero is scum, scum hit witch, something immune, or Obi, or they didn't kill. Given the lack of death note we can probably cross off the double obi kill.

[TurdPile]

I can hardly fault Rock for his thinking, because his thinking is 100% where I was at days ago.

Spoiler:

Naru did you read everything because Rick just claimed Parity Cop that checked Ender and Mel and got a different result and what you said makes no sense if you knew that because suspecting Rick and Mel at this point is bonkers crazy.

He may not be wrong though. I'm compiling a large stat sheet right now (halfway done), and look the ISO between Rick and Mel is pretty sketchy. Almost like Mel is distancing herself from Rick knowing she's about to be bussed. Doesn't help the fact that Rick said this:

I do expect Mafia to bus at some point, but as I already highlighted earlier, I fully expect all Scum to try to keep some kind of low profile for the time being.

Again, food for thought... keep an open mind.

Also, patterns between both:

Rickdaily12:
Spoiler: Guzame
enderitem
Melanora
RockFire
Guzame
Arcthurus
Naru2008
RockFire
Guzame
Melanora
Naru2008
Melanora
Metrion(!)
Nellyfox
enderitem
M4xwell/Veeena
Naru2008
Jerme
Arckas
Guzame
ObiWan
Melanora
Metrion(!)
Nellyfox
Arcthurus
RockFire
NheroArconix
Jerme
Guzame
Arckas
Guzame
Naru2008
Naru2008(!)
Naru2008
Melanora(!)

Melanora:
Spoiler: Rickdaily12(!)
Rickdaily12
Naru2008
Arckas
Arckas
ObiWan
RockFire(!)
Rickdaily12
Rickdaily12
ObiWan
Arckas
Rickdaily12
TurdPile(!)
Jerme
Rickdaily12
Rickdaily12(!)

Specifically, I am looking at the complete 180 of opinions:

I do expect Mafia to bus at some point, but as I already highlighted earlier, I fully expect all Scum to try to keep some kind of low profile for the time being.

You started the discussion by theorizing that I would bus in a game I would have to be brain dead to attempt

That said, I don't think he's mafia at the moment, but I'd hardly be surprised.

[Swordsworth]

If you find yourself heated, do not hesitate to step into the c h i l l z o n e, take a deep breath, and then carry on!

[Arcthurus]

What a fuckfest lol

[RockFire]

Ugh, maybe I am being hyper paranoid because everything is going so smoothly and I never expect a game to just ride out in this manner ever.

But I guess the while Rick being Mafia thing really only makes sense in a scenario where Nhero and Max are both Town which would require a scenario where the Mafia hit the Witch and both are unlikely from everything and Nhero just poofed after that whole interactions but I don't even know their scum tells and how they play as Town.

I'll just shelve that idea for now. So anyone want to say things they think so I don't stir pot my mind when trying to consider possibilities to the point I lose my sanity?

[Arcthurus]

TP was pratically telegraphing to the whole thread he was vig, your tinfoil doesnt make any sense.

[RockFire]

I mean, I don't think it was so obvious to the point everyone got it but regardless.

Mind just answering what I asked earlier about the Witch since I'd like to hear from people instead of just having silence for like 12 hours besides me.

Not like there's much to say now that everyone has checked in besides Posion and it's pretty safe to say no one was attacked and protected last night so Nhero being the lynch is pretty much guaranteed at this point, I think.

[Arcthurus]

Which is Witch

1) enderitem
2) Veeena
3) Naru2008
4) Jerme
14) Arcthurus
17) PoisonMaid

Honestly I think the Witch is Ender.

I cant tell if this is serious or not
also Naru being the witch is ??? since he claimed controlled d3 thats at least one more crossed off

Very poor reception to being pushed upon for answers.

Arc, Met, can I ask you guys to level with me here. Witch thoughts and who would have been able to figure out TP was the Vig among all of us.

like i said pretty much anyone trying to find the vig would've found the vig specially after mela pointed out d3 that she found the vig (a call out for the witch to notice probably)
theoretically anyone can be witch other than rick, TP and naru, but i think ender/met are both town and that pretty much ends the "desired nightkill" set for scum, so no i dont think scum hit the witch.

[Arcthurus]

i think the mafia are veenArconix