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Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 3 | Victor's Hollow

Postby melanora » Mon Aug 13, 2018 1:43 pm

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Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 3 | Victor's Hollow

Postby Metrion » Mon Aug 13, 2018 1:43 pm

/unvote

I thought this game was going to be easy pickings. Why reveal now, Rock?

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RockFire wrote:You can't be Parity Cop because it'd be way too much power to Town in this game, yeah?

Well boyo, you picked the wrong role to fakeclaim in this game because I'm a JOAT and one of my abilities is a Parity Cop twoshot that locks me into doing the checks on two consecutive if I select to start them.

SO WELCOME TO THE THUNDERDOME!!!!!

I have other abilities I won't disclose for the sake of it being a bad idea to do so but I will say that I think you're full of it.

Am I the only non-FMer who is lost at this point? lol

Nope, even the FMers are lost.

First off, Rock, fuck you for claiming anything.

Second off, if I died before Gent, and you pulled this fucking shit with him trying to claim a cop result, I'd do the same as him most likely and call you a dumbass for making this point. We don't know how powerful the Scum are, so there's no fucking point trying to argue balance in a game whose roles we don't know.


I mean, would you believe a 4th person claiming Cop at this point?
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Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 3 | Victor's Hollow

Postby melanora » Mon Aug 13, 2018 1:44 pm

Can we just go ahead and lynch me so I can see the fucking rolelist honestly nothing can top this at this point.
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Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 3 | Victor's Hollow

Postby Rickdaily12 » Mon Aug 13, 2018 1:44 pm

Metrion wrote:/unvote

I thought this game was going to be easy pickings. Why reveal now, Rock?

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RockFire wrote:You can't be Parity Cop because it'd be way too much power to Town in this game, yeah?

Well boyo, you picked the wrong role to fakeclaim in this game because I'm a JOAT and one of my abilities is a Parity Cop twoshot that locks me into doing the checks on two consecutive if I select to start them.

SO WELCOME TO THE THUNDERDOME!!!!!

I have other abilities I won't disclose for the sake of it being a bad idea to do so but I will say that I think you're full of it.

Am I the only non-FMer who is lost at this point? lol

Nope, even the FMers are lost.

First off, Rock, fuck you for claiming anything.

Second off, if I died before Gent, and you pulled this fucking shit with him trying to claim a cop result, I'd do the same as him most likely and call you a dumbass for making this point. We don't know how powerful the Scum are, so there's no fucking point trying to argue balance in a game whose roles we don't know.


I mean, would you believe a 4th person claiming Cop at this point?

Didn't you take that back though? Who's the other?
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Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 3 | Victor's Hollow

Postby Metrion » Mon Aug 13, 2018 1:45 pm

I'm just saying if.
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Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 3 | Victor's Hollow

Postby Rickdaily12 » Mon Aug 13, 2018 1:46 pm

Metrion wrote:I'm just saying if.

4 would be a stretch, and Rock is claiming JOAT, so a JOAT would have aspects of every role. Or I'd presume.

I still think he's a dumbass for making a game balance argument in a semi closed role list.
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Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 3 | Victor's Hollow

Postby RockFire » Mon Aug 13, 2018 1:47 pm

Closed role lists are made with balance in mind in the way rolled games cannot be which is why the fact that you claimed Parity Cop was something I wasn't on board with hence why my vote hasn't changed at all.

Swords is a madman but a 18 player game having this much power within the Town is stupid.

And my ability works like regular Parity Cop in that I have to check someone one night and then check someone else the next night to get a result.

And my reasons for claiming is that this makes no sense with the existing list when this game has standard and differing roles so the balance has to make sense considering what I know and this all seems way too perfect.
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Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 3 | Victor's Hollow

Postby Rickdaily12 » Mon Aug 13, 2018 1:50 pm

RockFire wrote:Closed role lists are made with balance in mind in the way rolled games cannot be which is why the fact that you claimed Parity Cop was something I wasn't on board with hence why my vote hasn't changed at all.

Swords is a madman but a 18 player game having this much power within the Town is stupid.

And my ability works like regular Parity Cop in that I have to check someone one night and then check someone else the next night to get a result.

And my reasons for claiming is that this makes no sense with the existing list when this game has standard and differing roles so the balance has to make sense considering what I know and this all seems way too perfect.

You don't know how much power the Scum has. I already joined this game thinking 13v4v1 was stupid as fuck for the Scum, so I trust Swords and I imagine that he has checks and balances in place for us.

You claiming and coming up with this stupid ass argument was probably one such because you're using OoG reasons to not trust a PR claim.
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Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 3 | Victor's Hollow

Postby ObiWan » Mon Aug 13, 2018 1:53 pm

But, Rock, If Rick is scum, why would he claim Parity cop when he would know full well he would likely get counter claimed by another investigative role?
Was this a last ditch effort to get someone to claim for scum?

I don't fully believe the balance argument as well.
Let's say you have 1 heal (I'm not saying you do, but hypothetical), and someone claimed doctor, would you have outed yourself then?
Would that be too much power?
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Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 3 | Victor's Hollow

Postby Rickdaily12 » Mon Aug 13, 2018 1:53 pm

Also, since there is a Witch claim- the only fucking reason I hard claimed was because to my best knowledge, I have uncorrupted information that helps us find scum.

So you claiming in the face of that Rock was just stupid to do. It was plain stupid, there's nothing else I can really say about it.
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Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 3 | Victor's Hollow

Postby RockFire » Mon Aug 13, 2018 1:58 pm

Let's figure out things.

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Consort we know is dead
We assume Prankster/Mafioso because of the second RB
We know an cop immune head exists because of Gent dying and the info on his card.
There's a Witch
Ender just mentioned something about evil presences

From what we know so far I find it hard to believe so many investigative abilities are in play.
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Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 3 | Victor's Hollow

Postby Rickdaily12 » Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:00 pm

RockFire wrote:Let's figure out things.

Mafia
Consort we know is dead
We assume Prankster/Mafioso because of the second RB
We know an cop immune head exists because of Gent dying and the info on his card.
There's a Witch
Ender just mentioned something about evil presences

From what we know so far I find it hard to believe so many investigative abilities are in play.

And you honestly think that a role like yours is only in the hands of Town?

Why would you think that? You already seem to think that your role is broken as fuck- just because you see a Consort flip, you think that there's no other tricks that Scum could have? In the face of a double voter?

With a straight face?
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Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 3 | Victor's Hollow

Postby melanora » Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:02 pm

Okay so there's a Cop, a Parity Cop, and a JoaT with Parity Cop in play?

How does that make sense???
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Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 3 | Victor's Hollow

Postby ObiWan » Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:02 pm

I forgot Gent was a cop, my bad
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Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 3 | Victor's Hollow

Postby ObiWan » Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:03 pm

I’m gonna take a break and think about everything.

I’ll make some notes and come back tonight
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Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 3 | Victor's Hollow

Postby Rickdaily12 » Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:04 pm

ObiWan wrote:I forgot Gent was a cop, my bad

I still think the balance argument is terrible.

If I died early, and Gent were to claim something like Mel being Mafia, Rock walks in making this exact argument and Gent would be fucked up the wall because balance arguments.

The only way to know the true power Scum has (in a fucking 13v4v1 no less) is by being scum and so he should stop speculating reasons not to trust me based on things he can only know if he were Scum.
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Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 3 | Victor's Hollow

Postby Metrion » Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:06 pm

Rickdaily12 wrote:
ObiWan wrote:I forgot Gent was a cop, my bad

I still think the balance argument is terrible.

If I died early, and Gent were to claim something like Mel being Mafia, Rock walks in making this exact argument and Gent would be fucked up the wall because balance arguments.

The only way to know the true power Scum has (in a fucking 13v4v1 no less) is by being scum and so he should stop speculating reasons not to trust me based on things he can only know if he were Scum.


This only works from your PoV as Town!Rick btw. This isn't actually a valid point.

I'm leaving work now.
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Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 3 | Victor's Hollow

Postby Rickdaily12 » Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:08 pm

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ObiWan wrote:I forgot Gent was a cop, my bad

I still think the balance argument is terrible.

If I died early, and Gent were to claim something like Mel being Mafia, Rock walks in making this exact argument and Gent would be fucked up the wall because balance arguments.

The only way to know the true power Scum has (in a fucking 13v4v1 no less) is by being scum and so he should stop speculating reasons not to trust me based on things he can only know if he were Scum.


This only works from your PoV as Town!Rick btw. This isn't actually a valid point.

I'm leaving work now.

That isn't fair. I get that this is only something I know, but knowing this is the case pisses me off.

I need a break to cool off, this is infuriating. I'll be back in a bit.
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Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 3 | Victor's Hollow

Postby Arckas » Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:11 pm

It may also be noted that Rock did not vote for Jerme.
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Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 3 | Victor's Hollow

Postby RockFire » Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:18 pm

And that's how you channel you inner Cow to figure out whether your paranoia is justified or not. Rick's frustration and anger are genuine to me so I think we're fine.

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Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 3 | Victor's Hollow

Postby Arckas » Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:19 pm

In terms of credibility, Rick has you beat Rock, You can still pretend to be an investigative while also being an FM moderator who balances their rolelist. Unless it specifically says in the rolelist that there are only two town investigatives, your claim is too meta.
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Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 3 | Victor's Hollow

Postby RockFire » Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:22 pm

Aw whoops hit submit too early. But yeah, that's me admitting I'm lying for the sake of a reaction test to put it plain and simple.

I wasn't fully convinced one way or the other so I wanted to see the way that worked out while he was here to do so. Leaving like that makes me think he's not lying.
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Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 3 | Victor's Hollow

Postby Arckas » Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:23 pm

Yay, the best strategy- the reaction test. Say what you want while also pulling out at the last second and accomplishing absolutely nothing.
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Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 3 | Victor's Hollow

Postby RockFire » Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:27 pm

I think the accomplishment is very clear. Rick was genuinely upset from the looks of it and he also reacted in a way I can see frustrated Town act if someone you think is Town makes such a claim.

I wasn't entirely convinced by what he said with the checks so I wanted more assurance that I couldn't get any other way from how he said he couldn't explain much more than he already did.
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Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 3 | Victor's Hollow

Postby enderitem » Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:35 pm

Rock, that play was very good. Now, we know for %90 sure that Rick is Town and we got to see him extremely mad which is extra great. At this point, a mel lynch would be a good course of action no matter what. Although, I can't stop myself from wanting Arckas dead for his overall attitude throughout this day. What has gotten into him? I will go with whatever decision that has been made.
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