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Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 2 | Grandport

Postby Arckas » Sun Aug 05, 2018 6:26 pm

Could it not be two escorts?
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Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 2 | Grandport

Postby melanora » Sun Aug 05, 2018 7:31 pm

It COULD be, but two TS just seems odd.
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Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 2 | Grandport

Postby LevinSnakesRise » Sun Aug 05, 2018 7:40 pm

Could also be two Consorts, if we are going to give possible outcomes.


There's also the possibility someone is lying about being roleblocked.
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Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 2 | Grandport

Postby RockFire » Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:01 pm

melanora wrote:Thoughts on which alignment would RB who?


Seems like both were quiet and in that gray area really so I don't think we can pin down an alignment this early on but I'm fairly sure we can rule out the two being the same alignment for now given what Swords said earlier about the role set up being some normal and some custom roles and I doubt we had a random set up and not a custom made one considering how closed games usually go.

Since the actual role list is closed, maybe the Consort thought no Escort existed and choose a middling target to use it as a fake claim later on. Otherwise I'm fairly sure one of the more talkative people like myself, Met, or Rick would have been targeted.

Jerme wrote:I somehow suspect Metrion...

I assume you're suspecting Met for bringing up the whole Gent dying N1 thing which is super WIFOM and is pretty pointless to do without more kill information at this point.
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Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 2 | Grandport

Postby enderitem » Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:03 pm

TrueGent wrote:I am done without a lynch

I also expect to live to tomorrow or something has gone seriously wrong

Yeah, rip that guy. I am reporting every single one of you as Gent would and reporting Swords for allowing TrueGent killer into this game as Mafia.

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not only was gent the cop

gent the cop got fucking n1'd in a mod game

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Guzame wrote:That's... An interesting choice for a night 1 kill. I assume they picked Gent because they were one of the least likely players to be protected tonight?

I'm looking at the death note, trying to think of who'd leave a message like that. It's got a surprising amount of personality to it, especially with a Lenny face of all things. It's not something I'd expect a lot of players to use. But then again, it could be done on purpose to make the more "memey" players look suspicious?

It's probably not worth it to pursue that line of thinking for now.

Not this. Explain further, guzame.

I am skimming over the death note conversation. It won't help us find the writer (It only did in the entire FM once I believe) but I think the people in it were genuinely trying to help more than trying to mislead us with fluff if the timing is considered.

With the two roleblock claims, I will analyze the rolelist. Since this is a closed one, it is highly likely that Swords didn't do any RNG while making it, meaning every role is unique. I also stole the Cit amount from the game next door since it had the same amount of Townies.

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Mpaia (Consort would be the logical conclusion)
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The only Neutral Killing I see possible is Arso, we will see if that is the case sooner or later. Considering Gent, the Medium will probably hold our next lynch target so they shouldn't claim. I think it is obvious why other shouldn't claim also. I will going to work now so I am expecting you guys to make use of yourselves as well. There are topics I won't delve into that I didn't like how they looked in D1. Try to look into them for example. This game most definitely will be a tough yet rich experience.
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Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 2 | Grandport

Postby RockFire » Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:09 pm

Trying to deduce the list isn't going to yield much I'm afraid considering what Swords has already said ender about some normal and some custom roles in this game. Assuming anything exists in a closed game isn't a very good line of thought if you assume they'll give us all the answers since they might not even exist.

Although, I'm curious of what you've said,

[quote"=enderitem"]Medium will probably hold our next lynch target so they shouldn't claim[/quote]
Are you assuming a medium exists and that Gent found scum last night? That's a very odd think to think with no evidence to back that up.
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Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Night 1 | The Cave

Postby Metrion » Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:18 pm

Slept peacefully.

RockFire wrote:Welp, time to actually start and not be labeled crazy.

I slept peacefully and I find TrueGent to be an interesting person to pick as a N1 target. I assume the kill is by the mafia and the neutral is likely some sort of support for the mafia unless anyone says something pointing to the contrary. I guess if the Mafia had a 13 - 1 odds of him being an ally and took the risk? He was one of the more active players too which shows some gusto in the killing considering there were way more quiet players to pick.

On another note, the music is too happy about finding a corpse in a camp.


This implies the mafia knows they would have an ally going into N1.

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Do you suspect him because of the Gent kill?

I would suspect Met to kill Gent, but then we get into WIFOM, and until there's a pattern of actions, I can't say one way or the other how I feel.


I would kill him. He's a good kill for me as scum.


Firstly there aren't going to be two escorts. There could also be a neutral that roleblocks theoretically or a prankster or something stupid. I'd say that Arckas is a scummier target to pick but he only posted like 6 times yesterday and the other target is TP so trying to determine alignments from a D1 that had next to no content is a waste of time. Just assume scum have a roleblocker for sure. I agree with Rock's wanting to avoid trying to meta-Swords, the man is clearly insane from playing instruments for too long.

Secondly, the only time you ever pay attention to death notes is when it contains something that you're somehow sure it's wifom (almost never because why would they put that in there) or when it has actual info (X is immune).

Uh, thirdly. Someone say something interesting. Like Rick.
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Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 2 | Grandport

Postby enderitem » Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:19 pm

I strongly disagree. What Swords said was that they were modifications of the standard roles so I don't think it is that off the rails if we look at Gent's role and I also believe Gent probably was right on track when it came to his D1 reads hence my advice to check D1. However, that is my gut talking here. It is also a matter of scarecrowing to make sure the possible Medium does not reveal. Nevertheless, you asking for evidence here isn't something I am really fond of to be perfectly honest.
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Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 2 | Grandport

Postby Metrion » Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:21 pm

enderitem wrote:I strongly disagree. What Swords said was that they were modifications of the standard roles so I don't think it is that off the rails if we look at Gent's role and I also believe Gent probably was right on track when it came to his D1 reads hence my advice to check D1. However, that is my gut talking here. It is also a matter of scarecrowing to make sure the possible Medium does not reveal. Nevertheless, you asking for evidence here isn't something I am really fond of to be perfectly honest.


So you think Lexiam is scum then.
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Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 2 | Grandport

Postby RockFire » Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:27 pm

Ender, saying things you think without any logical basis is like chucking a hail mary and hoping for the best. Nothing points to or against your theory really besides gut which is why I was asking what basis you had for that since nothing supports that. Evidence can be quotes you believe point to things but I've seen nothing that supported your ideas and you already said they're just feelings which really don't do much in Mafia ever in my experience.

And Met, I assume the Neutral is a mafia ally in an 18 player game unless proven otherwise because I doubt we have another killing role around if only one person died considering the odds are usually against protectives N1 and 18 players with two killing factions means we can only make two mistakes lynch wise if all kills go off before we losing which is pretty harsh to Town.
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Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Night 1 | The Cave

Postby enderitem » Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:28 pm

Metrion wrote:Firstly there aren't going to be two escorts. There could also be a neutral that roleblocks theoretically or a prankster or something stupid. I'd say that Arckas is a scummier target to pick but he only posted like 6 times yesterday and the other target is TP so trying to determine alignments from a D1 that had next to no content is a waste of time. Just assume scum have a roleblocker for sure. I agree with Rock's wanting to avoid trying to meta-Swords, the man is clearly insane from playing instruments for too long.

I actually never thought of the Prankster possibility. Both Mafia & Town did gain new roles while I was gone after all. I need to check this out.
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enderitem wrote:I strongly disagree. What Swords said was that they were modifications of the standard roles so I don't think it is that off the rails if we look at Gent's role and I also believe Gent probably was right on track when it came to his D1 reads hence my advice to check D1. However, that is my gut talking here. It is also a matter of scarecrowing to make sure the possible Medium does not reveal. Nevertheless, you asking for evidence here isn't something I am really fond of to be perfectly honest.


So you think Lexiam is scum then.
He is definitely an oddball when you look at D1 conversation he had with Gent and just him overall but in my eyes there is someone looking as bad as him, maybe even worse. I think Gent's reads will be probably our lynch targets for today if they do not fix their appearance. I kinda want to watch these two dome as well so there is also that.
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Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 2 | Grandport

Postby Metrion » Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:31 pm

RockFire wrote:Ender, saying things you think without any logical basis is like chucking a hail mary and hoping for the best. Nothing points to or against your theory really besides gut which is why I was asking what basis you had for that since nothing supports that. Evidence can be quotes you believe point to things but I've seen nothing that supported your ideas and you already said they're just feelings which really don't do much in Mafia ever in my experience.

And Met, I assume the Neutral is a mafia ally in an 18 player game unless proven otherwise because I doubt we have another killing role around if only one person died considering the odds are usually against protectives N1 and 18 players with two killing factions means we can only make two mistakes lynch wise if all kills go off before we losing which is pretty harsh to Town.


It's not about what you assume unless you're mafia. The point doesn't matter though.
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Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 2 | Grandport

Postby Metrion » Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:34 pm

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Metrion wrote:Firstly there aren't going to be two escorts. There could also be a neutral that roleblocks theoretically or a prankster or something stupid. I'd say that Arckas is a scummier target to pick but he only posted like 6 times yesterday and the other target is TP so trying to determine alignments from a D1 that had next to no content is a waste of time. Just assume scum have a roleblocker for sure. I agree with Rock's wanting to avoid trying to meta-Swords, the man is clearly insane from playing instruments for too long.

I actually never thought of the Prankster possibility. Both Mafia & Town did gain new roles while I was gone after all. I need to check this out.
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enderitem wrote:I strongly disagree. What Swords said was that they were modifications of the standard roles so I don't think it is that off the rails if we look at Gent's role and I also believe Gent probably was right on track when it came to his D1 reads hence my advice to check D1. However, that is my gut talking here. It is also a matter of scarecrowing to make sure the possible Medium does not reveal. Nevertheless, you asking for evidence here isn't something I am really fond of to be perfectly honest.


So you think Lexiam is scum then.
He is definitely an oddball when you look at D1 conversation he had with Gent and just him overall but in my eyes there is someone looking as bad as him, maybe even worse. I think Gent's reads will be probably our lynch targets for today if they do not fix their appearance. I kinda want to watch these two dome as well so there is also that.


Stop the pronoun game, thx.

Why aren't you voting Lex or the mystery person?
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Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 2 | Grandport

Postby RockFire » Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:38 pm

Also, Ender I'm curious about why you find the Lexiam - Gent interaction odd since all I see is Lexiam asking why Gent thinks he's scum. That seems like a very small interaction to have some basis on it and that's not even considering the possible kill motivation of framing him. As for everything else, looking at Gent's ISO he only scum read Lexiam which means either scenario is plausible really unless you get something out of it that I don't see.


Met, fair enough really. I'm also curious as to what Ender is on about too really since the whole point of having scum reads is to state your opinions to the rest of the game for possible lynches.
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Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 2 | Grandport

Postby Arcthurus » Sun Aug 05, 2018 9:09 pm

Without beating around the bush, he seems to be talking about either guzame/m4x (cant see anyone else gent mentioned)
I cant see anything of note on their d1 tbh, the former had an intro and the latter had memes


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Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 2 | Grandport

Postby Schultz128 » Sun Aug 05, 2018 9:32 pm

I have absolutely no idea how Guzame plays.

If someone wants to refresh, that'd be spicy.
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Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 2 | Grandport

Postby Veeena » Sun Aug 05, 2018 9:48 pm

How are we so sure that there is a rhyme or reason towards the attack of Gent other than the basic reason that he is not indeed mafia? His posts seem to be on par with how he would usually play and even with the one major post of him about death, the rest seems just run of the mill enough.

Lexiam I have no opinion on until he speaks more. The first day doesn't portray anyone well enough when the majority seems to be of memes and reminiscing times.
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Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 2 | Grandport

Postby enderitem » Sun Aug 05, 2018 9:49 pm

RockFire wrote:Also, Ender I'm curious about why you find the Lexiam - Gent interaction odd since all I see is Lexiam asking why Gent thinks he's scum. That seems like a very small interaction to have some basis on it and that's not even considering the possible kill motivation of framing him. As for everything else, looking at Gent's ISO he only scum read Lexiam which means either scenario is plausible really unless you get something out of it that I don't see.


Met, fair enough really. I'm also curious as to what Ender is on about too really since the whole point of having scum reads is to state your opinions to the rest of the game for possible lynches.

In my reads, I care more about what people didn't do and in Lex's case it was that he didn't give a reaction a noob (which he hammered the fact whenever he could) Townie would. It is made obvious from the start that Gent's posts aren't just memes so he should be able to tell that Gent really didn't like his entrance at all from the way he said he would lynch him if he could. In my eyes, a noob Townie would definitely be more curious about the reason why such a harsh judgment was made because, you know, they wouldn't to get mislynched in the future. Learning why would definitely help them in the future.
Metrion wrote:Stop the pronoun game, thx.

Why aren't you voting Lex or the mystery person?

When did we get the precedent that gut scumreads deserve a vote? I really don't get why people do it, honestly. I like to vote when 100% trust in my read that the person cannot be Town, just so you know. Well, I guess we can't do riddles here as well. Shame... but I definitely like the players in here a lot more than 14E's. I finally don't need to tell people what to discuss, thankfully.
Arcthurus wrote:Without beating around the bush, he seems to be talking about either guzame/m4x (cant see anyone else gent mentioned)
I cant see anything of note on their d1 tbh, the former had an intro and the latter had memes

Yeah, M4x I don't care about since she gives her tell pretty early on. She is also faulty of the same thing though. What I definitely care about is guzame here. guzame completely ignored Gent's calling his post scummy or even worse, bad. I really do not like people ignoring such posts since they do yield a lot just like Lex's case (whom at least questioned why) so I find this, really scummy as wolves like to avoid those confrontations. What really irked me is guzame's reaction to Gent's death. It is opposite of normal as I stated before. Why would Gent be the least likely to be protected, it doesn't make sense. Has he not read any of his posts? Then comes his opinion on the death note... which also doesn't make sense but probably for different reasons. I really don't like the post all in all. An explanation of his to this post might reveal a lot about his true nature.

That's why I wanted people to talk about D1 reads of Gent's and I feel like for the course of the game, I am on the right track. I think these two should definitely explain themselves for the sake of the conversation. I like the way we are going and I feel these two yield a lot in case of reads. I am going to work now. Good luck.
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Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 2 | Grandport

Postby ObiWan » Sun Aug 05, 2018 10:15 pm

I don’t like Guzames initial reaction to the n1 kill. Seems very forced.
Don’t think we should speculate on who would’ve killed Gent, will get us nowhere.
I feel like doing something drastic but I think I’ll wait until day 3. Maybe
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Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 2 | Grandport

Postby ObiWan » Sun Aug 05, 2018 10:23 pm

Mela seems iffy to me too.
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I will dive into more of the Mela train tomorrow, too lazy right now
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Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 2 | Grandport

Postby RockFire » Sun Aug 05, 2018 10:38 pm

Ender, while I'll grant you that Guzame talking about Gent not being likely to be protected is an odd thing to say considering people tend to think talkative and active = more likely to be protected, but I still don't understand this:

enderitem wrote: It is made obvious from the start that Gent's posts aren't just memes so he should be able to tell that Gent really didn't like his entrance at all from the way he said he would lynch him if he could. In my eyes, a noob Townie would definitely be more curious about the reason why such a harsh judgment was made because, you know, they wouldn't to get mislynched in the future. Learning why would definitely help them in the future.


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Is the issue that Lex didn't push more on Gent for why he was being scum read when he got the thinking emoji response? Also, now that I decided to not be blind, I also see that Gent was also scum reading Max and I assume not asking anything at all is the basis for this? I haven't played a game in a while so I'm not exactly sure how new people would react but I thought everyone here had already played at least 1 game of FM unless I'm mistaken.
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Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 2 | Grandport

Postby RockFire » Sun Aug 05, 2018 10:53 pm

melanora wrote:Thoughts on which alignment would RB who?


Also, while I commit the grave sin of the double post, why ask the question without giving your own input on the matter consider it's only common courtesy Mel? Seems a bit odd to me to ignore that.


In other news, I'd like to hear more out of everyone that hasn't been posting too much. I was going to make a list, but well, it would be the majority of the game. If you're town then giving your own two cents to discussion is what helps move everything along and just bringing up points. I know this game is relaxed with prods but more input is always welcome. I know all of you can't be scum coasting because the numbers don't match up. I just get the feeling that this game will just be like 5 people posting very often with a handful of people that sometimes post and the rest just go super dark considering how little everyone else has said.
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Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 2 | Grandport

Postby melanora » Sun Aug 05, 2018 11:06 pm

Naru2008 wrote:Could also be two Consorts, if we are going to give possible outcomes.


There's also the possibility someone is lying about being roleblocked.


That's true too, so then let me turn around the question - If they were both RB'd, what alignment do you think the RBers are?
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Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 2 | Grandport

Postby melanora » Sun Aug 05, 2018 11:09 pm

Trying to figure out the rolelist when we have all of 1 ( o n e ) player dead.

AMAZING.

Veeena wrote:How are we so sure that there is a rhyme or reason towards the attack of Gent other than the basic reason that he is not indeed mafia? His posts seem to be on par with how he would usually play and even with the one major post of him about death, the rest seems just run of the mill enough.

Lexiam I have no opinion on until he speaks more. The first day doesn't portray anyone well enough when the majority seems to be of memes and reminiscing times.


If even a single solitary FMer is on the scum team, the Gent kill was done for a reason, whether because Gent could read them OR for the memes, who knows.
Gent is a good N1 kill for a valid reason. He often jokes if he makes it to D3 that people will use it as proof he's scum bc otherwise Mafia would kill him.
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Re: 8M | OCTOPATH | Day 2 | Grandport

Postby melanora » Sun Aug 05, 2018 11:10 pm

ObiWan wrote:Mela seems iffy to me too.
As a note: I’m trying not to hold back what I initially feel this game because I did in Enders game when I should’ve pushed more people and it was bad. I felt Mela was a bit scummy in Enders game from the start and didn’t push it and that was a mistake. (Mela don’t be triggered)

I will dive into more of the Mela train tomorrow, too lazy right now


I AM TRIGGERED.

Naw man this is a game with all of the oldies and lbr everyone is going to be half assing it and then turning around fucking throwing out their best shit. You think I haven't read yours and Rick's ISOs about ten times already? Honey please.
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