14E - A Toast to Coolway99 and hippophant (MAFIA WIN)

[non271103]

Agreed, the Vig who shoot macca should claim NOW

[non271103]

No one is confirmed.

Good thing you don't need to confirm someone to trust them. Too bad mafia has free kill access to those people anyway. All that means is we got to trust more people then the mafia can kill in a game... without them mafia.


Here is an unpopular opinion- you can't "read" someone in FM anymore. Any reading is based on behavior; a behavior that is already accounted for by the person. Any "read" anybody has is just pure feeling that people excuse as "intuition". Just pure guessing. Sometimes guessing works, which can give the illusion that you had something, but that's all simply confirmation bias. "reading" somebody doesn't actually work.


What do we do then? Let me try to explain. Action

Actions speak louder then words. In FM, actions are actually just everything. The reason I was so confident in Macca was because of his actions. They simply did not align with town, therefore it was my best guess to mafia. Unlike reading, this guesswork actually has correlation to what a mafia member would do and is justified in it's reasoning.

If mafia go the whole game without doing anything, then we can't rely on this. All we can do is hope that a town won't pull a Macca and act like a public disgrace.

We can confirm the Vig who shot Macca, there is only 1 person who did that, if there are no cc's that person is confirmed.

[Arckas]

I hate people who request someone else do something and don't even give a plan or point as to why.

I doesn't matter if they are confirmed, they just need to be someone we can trust.

xUlt, I'm going to send you a list of people whom I'll trust at this stage. You give me yours, and we'll decide who we like and who we don't like. I'll number them so we can talk about them openly, you do the same.

[Arckas]

We can confirm the Vig who shot Macca, there is only 1 person who did that, if there are no cc's that person is confirmed.

And then?

What does that guy do other then sit on his hands and wait to die? Do you actually have a plan for what to do next?

[non271103]

We can confirm the Vig who shot Macca, there is only 1 person who did that, if there are no cc's that person is confirmed.

And then?

What does that guy do other then sit on his hands and wait to die? Do you actually have a plan for what to do next?

we send our roles to them, and our roles remain safe in a confirmed townie, or we could just do a massclaim.

[Arckas]

I flip.

Sure, sounds like a fine idea to have a mayor situation. Then they can look to see what other roles in the role list are also confirmed and confirm other people. Any roles not confirmed will be chosen as the lynch targets, and the one who he decrees should die is the lynch target.

The vigilante (if no consort) can live exactly 1 day longer as xUlt will be killed. By then we hopefully have another confirmed town member to whisper the roles too.

I actually completely forgot that strategy worked now. I believe FM patched it out somewhere a while ago.

So yeah, vig that shot Macca should claim. If there is no vig counterclaim, then we have ourselves a unified town. And if we do have a vig counterclaim, then we actually have something to go off of.

[UzayAltay]

SP.

Need to go for Now , will come 10? Hours later .

[polypies73]

Witched

[Soulshade55r]

sp.
So vigis? Looks like m4xwell was phantom or shade

[enderitem]

I am not mad... just disappointed. Scratch that I am mad and disappointed. What are these plays!? Just whatever, anyway... Yeah, massclaiming through whispers have been OP since the existence of whispers. The fix was to remove them I believe since they are generally hated. I need to vent so I will post more elaborately after a while but I will claim the Vigilante that hoped Macca would self-heal and if Ultix wasn't saved apparently, I would have probably ragequit or something. I didn't get anything so I am assuming that's it for the stuff that happened during the night. My current reads might be a lot more harsher from now on so I will just go.

[Soulshade55r]

Meh ill catch up later I'm tired and I've got college in 4 hours

[Arckas]

I will claim the Vigilante that hoped Macca would self-heal and if Ultix wasn't saved apparently

Alright, any counters?

[atoonlinktothepast]

I slept peacefully. Have work in about 20 mins, so will catch up when I've finished.

[Tiltedcomedian]

Spoiler: No one is confirmed.

Good thing you don't need to confirm someone to trust them. Too bad mafia has free kill access to those people anyway. All that means is we got to trust more people then the mafia can kill in a game... without them mafia.


Here is an unpopular opinion- you can't "read" someone in FM anymore. Any reading is based on behavior; a behavior that is already accounted for by the person. Any "read" anybody has is just pure feeling that people excuse as "intuition". Just pure guessing. Sometimes guessing works, which can give the illusion that you had something, but that's all simply confirmation bias. "reading" somebody doesn't actually work.


What do we do then? Let me try to explain. Action

Actions speak louder then words. In FM, actions are actually just everything. The reason I was so confident in Macca was because of his actions. They simply did not align with town, therefore it was my best guess to mafia. Unlike reading, this guesswork actually has correlation to what a mafia member would do and is justified in it's reasoning.

If mafia go the whole game without doing anything, then we can't rely on this. All we can do is hope that a town won't pull a Macca and act like a public disgrace.

I had thought a moderator would know better than to be so harsh in a game which was advertised from the beginning as a less competitive one.

[Arckas]

I've had too many people headstrong about their belief that end up hurting everyone around them, most of all the people that care the most.

Occupational hazard.

[Shilster]

SP.

[ClaudiaM25]

No one is confirmed.

Good thing you don't need to confirm someone to trust them. Too bad mafia has free kill access to those people anyway. All that means is we got to trust more people then the mafia can kill in a game... without them mafia.


Here is an unpopular opinion- you can't "read" someone in FM anymore. Any reading is based on behavior; a behavior that is already accounted for by the person. Any "read" anybody has is just pure feeling that people excuse as "intuition". Just pure guessing. Sometimes guessing works, which can give the illusion that you had something, but that's all simply confirmation bias. "reading" somebody doesn't actually work.


What do we do then? Let me try to explain. Action

Actions speak louder then words. In FM, actions are actually just everything. The reason I was so confident in Macca was because of his actions. They simply did not align with town, therefore it was my best guess to mafia. Unlike reading, this guesswork actually has correlation to what a mafia member would do and is justified in it's reasoning.

If mafia go the whole game without doing anything, then we can't rely on this. All we can do is hope that a town won't pull a Macca and act like a public disgrace.

Morning! Slept peacefully.

Kind of agree with Arkas's statement... I think I was one of the people "defending" (as Mandingo would say ) ) Macca just on pure intuition,taking into account I haven't played any other game with him. Same for Kosmo, did some reading from her previous games and gave me a townie impresion more or less..wasn't that sure on this one though...

I just quickly read the posts .. how did Max got cleaned if she was shot by a vigi? Sorry if this seems a stupid question...

I hate people who request someone else do something and don't even give a plan or point as to why.

I doesn't matter if they are confirmed, they just need to be someone we can trust.

xUlt, I'm going to send you a list of people whom I'll trust at this stage. You give me yours, and we'll decide who we like and who we don't like. I'll number them so we can talk about them openly, you do the same.

Why not making it public?

[Shilster]

Not rbing n1 is dumb.

[Shilster]

I just quickly read the posts .. how did Max got cleaned if she was shot by a vigi? Sorry if this seems a stupid question...

Phantom/Shade will appear cleaned if they are killed

[Arckas]

Disregard about the list idea.


I believe phantom has to activate an ability? I'm not familiar with shade either.

[Shilster]

viewtopic.php?f=17&t=44746#p1814894

Under Neutrals.

[Soulshade55r]

What would m4xwell be out of phantom or shade?
It's probably not that important but they could be helping us or agenist us depending on what they were

[polypies73]

I still can’t get over macca’s play though.

[Soulshade55r]

Other then that I'm gonna be busy today and tommorow so I'll be activity more late night

[Shilster]

It's probably not that important but they could be helping us or agenist us depending on what they were

What do you mean?