13H: LoLFM | Game Over (Mafia, Witch and Shade Win)

[ChubbyMooshroom9]

Actually, if Firbrand ignites tonight that confirms it's not an Arso

We don't have two NKSs

[FMLSheWas12]

If you want to blame for CFD blame the shit Lucian he's feeding red team rn

Lucian can scale into late, just let him farm. ^_^

[heytheregirl17]

So we have Lucky AND Bojack who were apparently doused.

Dual Firebrand/Arsonist rolling here? IIRC Arso should be unique. Unless it's a double Firebrand (also unlikely)

@heythere is fb unique

Not necessarily.

[ChubbyMooshroom9]

But firebread only has 1 ignite, would they ignite

I'd say it's worth it tbh

Firebrand should reveal tomorrow after ignite

No

If you want to blame for CFD blame the shit Lucian he's feeding red team rn

Lucian can scale into late, just let him farm. ^_^

I remember a teemo game whetr my net went out at lvl 11, came back when everyone was 16/17 and carried.

Don't lie to me that's Teemo

[ElusiveBelle]

You can't just talk about movement itself being scummy, such as X moving their vote from Y to Z. You actually have to look at motivation. "This person voted X" gives too much room to question the argument because there's no reason to believe town wouldn't engage in such movement without looking at context.

When I say "look at movement" I consider motivation and reasoning too that is far more indicative early-game than just who the votes were cast on.

I'll look at Elusive's ISO for example very briefly. He may have been ready to hammer the Bojak wagon but I wouldn't know; he never actually gave input on said wagon. The other relevant wagons (Mike, Noping, Poly, Shil) were given support or hesitancy. I feel scum are likelier to be afraid of associations and given the wagon happened quickly the time to evaluate a safe opinion wasn't present. Elusive could have also put Bojak to L-1 which never seemed to happen, he just made an irrelevant comment to show he was online for end of day.

The nature of this argument is weak given it evaluates the absence of an opinion, but at least you can look into why someone voted (or didn't vote.)

If you're implying it's important to push someone to l-1 while waiting for a claim that's kinda dumb to honest, really should know better than that. By the time I got online Bojak was already close to lynch and we were waiting for a claim. I did not vote until after. I was ready to vote yes but I was not going to when it could easily be hammered before we got a claim. Thanks but no thanks to that.

Also side note, my post wasn't irrelevant by the way, there was a reason for it but I'll leave it at that.

Now then, did we find out what happened to the mafia attack last night? Bojak's claim is clearly too convenient for how things are. Being the TP and with a dead lookout I find it hard to believe that they wouldn't be a prime target for scum last night.

[ChamAlien]

Yeah mafia killed noone thats interesting
Maybe hit sk?

[ChubbyMooshroom9]

Probably what happened

[ChubbyMooshroom9]

Btw don't quote the post elusive made i don't want cancer

[AFTRHR]

Either that, Doc/Marshal prot, or BP/Arso

[AFTRHR]

Context for above post:

Yeah mafia killed noone thats interesting
Maybe hit sk?

[ElusiveBelle]

Hey Chubby, you're so confident on your reads on me. Want to put that confidence on the line?
Bet on your avi for a month that I flip scum, and when I flip town I get to pick your avi.
How confident are you, or will you actually partake in discussion?

[RHawkeye]

You're scum, therefore it's not a mislynch.

[ElusiveBelle]

The "mislych" now in question is only because of the red on you m8. Going into the night I doubt it would be likely the wagon would swing your way again after the claim. Not so easily anyways as it is now without the red.

[RHawkeye]

Meh, I'd have been pushing for a Bojack lynch today regardless of the red tbh.

[ChubbyMooshroom9]

You can't just talk about movement itself being scummy, such as X moving their vote from Y to Z. You actually have to look at motivation. "This person voted X" gives too much room to question the argument because there's no reason to believe town wouldn't engage in such movement without looking at context.

When I say "look at movement" I consider motivation and reasoning too that is far more indicative early-game than just who the votes were cast on.

I'll look at Elusive's ISO for example very briefly. He may have been ready to hammer the Bojak wagon but I wouldn't know; he never actually gave input on said wagon. The other relevant wagons (Mike, Noping, Poly, Shil) were given support or hesitancy. I feel scum are likelier to be afraid of associations and given the wagon happened quickly the time to evaluate a safe opinion wasn't present. Elusive could have also put Bojak to L-1 which never seemed to happen, he just made an irrelevant comment to show he was online for end of day.

The nature of this argument is weak given it evaluates the absence of an opinion, but at least you can look into why someone voted (or didn't vote.)

If you're implying it's important to push someone to l-1 while waiting for a claim that's kinda dumb to honest, really should know better than that. By the time I got online Bojak was already close to lynch and we were waiting for a claim. I did not vote until after. I was ready to vote yes but I was not going to when it could easily be hammered before we got a claim. Thanks but no thanks to that.

Also side note, my post wasn't irrelevant by the way, there was a reason for it but I'll leave it at that.

Now then, did we find out what happened to the mafia attack last night? Bojak's claim is clearly too convenient for how things are. Being the TP and with a dead lookout I find it hard to believe that they wouldn't be a prime target for scum last night.

You think scum would have attacked someone that everyone wants to mislynch?

You're evil for qupting that but that last part is def scum

[Soulshade55r]

Well we know bojack is 90% scum so any thoughts on anyone else pushing on poly?

[Soulshade55r]

Alright, I'm back and I've caught up. Sorry, I was busy doing famous people stuff all day and definitely not drinking my sorrows away. Anyways, I have a few things to say:
1) I was hoping you would cfd yesterday, but switching onto someone who was actually scum would have been great.
2) I was marked by a fire rune or some shit whatever the fuck that means
3) protected chubby last night.
4) of fucking course I was framed. Checking me was kind of a bad play because I'm a prime suspect for framing, SMH.

Just stop, framed or not how would we even know? You've acted like scum and showed up has red the chances there is a framer and framed you are slim, Also if you are town we know theirs are framer for sure.
Personally has framer I would of went for someone else has no one was suspicious of you after you claimed for no good reason

[FMLSheWas12]

Elusive I'm not implying town should put a wagon to L-1.

And oh.

[ElusiveBelle]

Elusive I'm not implying town should put a wagon to L-1.

And oh.

Then why would I have voted Bojak when they were at L-2 and yet to claim?
We were waiting for the claim at the time and as town I'm not putting them at L-1 before they can claim.

[ElusiveBelle]

Hey Chubby, you're so confident on your reads on me. Want to put that confidence on the line?
Bet on your avi for a month that I flip scum, and when I flip town I get to pick your avi.
How confident are you, or will you actually partake in discussion?

Already got an image ready too Chubby

[FMLSheWas12]

I don't think it's a bad idea to put someone to L-1. I mentioned that, alongside a post you submitted in that juncture, to point out there was an opportunity to comment on the wagon.

[RHawkeye]

I'm confused at where waiting for a claim comes into things. Claiming at the 11th hour shouldn't stop the lynch going through.

[FMLSheWas12]

You didn't have to vote and if you feel it's a bad idea then signifying intent is fine, but nothing of the sort happened.

[RHawkeye]

Like, the objective is to lynch scum, not force a claim.

[kosmo16]

I would say Elusive is most likely the scummiest person from poly wagon.