13H: LoLFM | Game Over (Mafia, Witch and Shade Win)

[Soulshade55r]

We're lynching.

Why do you want to lynch so much? the problem with lynching D1 can be good or bad.

Also I am a semi-Newbie this is like me 3rd game of FM so I am sorry about hindering you guys a little :/

[RHawkeye]

Nolynching gives us no info. I'd rather get associations and better reads on people and their motivations than get nothing.

You're not hindering us. Everyone was a newbie at some point, everyone has to learn somehow.

[Soulshade55r]

Nolynching gives us no info. I'd rather get associations and better reads on people and their motivations than get nothing.

You're not hindering us. Everyone was a newbie at some point, everyone has to learn somehow.

Makes sense, just saying we could lynch a blue and that would be pretty bad but on the other hand lynching scum would be amazing, scum reading works sometimes but there should be a pretty good reason for voting someone up. We shouldn't act super lynch happy honestly it sometimes favors scum.

[cmitc1]

we are lynching d1, we are left in the same boat of having nothing to work with.

If you think soulshade is town, then what does that say about me? What does it say about Ymirr?

tbh, I'm not 100% sure what your reasons are, I didn't really see it when going through your iso. Ymirr's reasoning wasn't that good, but it felt more town motivated than scum motivated.

[ChamAlien]

If we lynch blue it will lead us to find that who is scum

[Soulshade55r]

If you guys really want to vote me up I guess I'm fine with that just look into RHawkeye for me.

[ChamAlien]

We are not voting you and I really dont think that you are scum

[FMLSheWas12]

We've barely broke 24 hours and in the foreseeable future we'll likely have a lynch target. In most situations by nolynching we may actually lose an extra mislynch so we gain nothing, so assuming this situation exists at minimum we can at least pick off a mutual scum read or a lurker by lynching today.

[FMLSheWas12]

To be fair he isn't playing like the most experienced player either, and with it only being like 5 pages in, no not really.

Even if I abide to the claim Ymirr's play demonstrates inexperience, I don't see how Ymirr is town coordinated right now, which is the problem.

[FMLSheWas12]

tbh, I'm not 100% sure what your reasons are, I didn't really see it when going through your iso. Ymirr's reasoning wasn't that good, but it felt more town motivated than scum motivated.

I didn't actually see this post. I think you're saying your read is a feeling/gut, and I will let that suffice.

[heytheregirl17]

Current Vote Count

Player	Votes	Voters
	#	Votes Until Majority

[Ymirr]

Generally, what I would like to do Day 1 is not a lynch, but a plan for Night 1. I think this should be a main objective.

All around garbage idea. How are we supposed to make a night plan, and why do we even need one when it makes PRs easier to find for no reason?

As for me being a noob - ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[kosmo16]

We're lynching.

Let's see who is active right now:

RHawkeye - 23
Soulshade55r - 18
kosmo16 - 14
FMLSheWas12 - 14
ChamAlien - 8
cmitc1 - 6
ElusiveBelle - 6
Ymirr - 6
lucky333123 - 5
Shilster - 5
MichaelgRook - 5
lemonader666 - 4
M4xwell - 3
roz1roz - 3
AFTRHR - 2
EvilDeanius0 - 1
murat1996 - 0
polypies73 - 0
TheNorthStar - 0
MetrionIsANerd - 0

We can for example push on someone inactive

[FMLSheWas12]

Generally, what I would like to do Day 1 is not a lynch, but a plan for Night 1. I think this should be a main objective.

I don't see any relevant night plan, aside from speculating on the existence of roles and instructing how they should act, which generally isn't of town's concern.
What is there to plan? If anything, once we've discussed a lynch target today, we should be planning for future lynch targets afterwards.

We can for example push on someone inactive :)

There is nothing to push from low-posters, except encourage on-topic discussion, or threatening to policy lynch them.

[cmitc1]

To be fair he isn't playing like the most experienced player either, and with it only being like 5 pages in, no not really.

Even if I abide to the claim Ymirr's play demonstrates inexperience, I don't see how Ymirr is town coordinated right now, which is the problem.

fair enough, I still think he was more town motivated than scum... I would still enjoy to see some more from him.

If you guys really want to vote me up I guess I'm fine with that just look into RHawkeye for me.

aren't like, only 2 people voting you right now

tbh, I'm not 100% sure what your reasons are, I didn't really see it when going through your iso. Ymirr's reasoning wasn't that good, but it felt more town motivated than scum motivated.

I didn't actually see this post. I think you're saying your read is a feeling/gut, and I will let that suffice.

i am gutting a bit, i still see what he has been doing coming from town over scum

[kosmo16]

Generally, what I would like to do Day 1 is not a lynch, but a plan for Night 1. I think this should be a main objective.

All around garbage idea. How are we supposed to make a night plan, and why do we even need one when it makes PRs easier to find for no reason?

As for me being a noob - ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Without plan you may end up with escorts rb Town Investigative, Veteran kills Town Protective, etc.

[kosmo16]

We can for example push on someone inactive

There is nothing to push from low-posters, except encourage on-topic discussion, or threatening to policy lynch them.

Indeed.

[FMLSheWas12]

Without plan you may end up with escorts rb Town Investigative, Veteran kills Town Protective, etc.

It could happen regardless, planning won't prevent this.

[FMLSheWas12]

As for me being a noob - ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Okay now since you're on tell me about your read on soulshader, and how it progressed after you voted him, thx.

[Ymirr]

Generally, what I would like to do Day 1 is not a lynch, but a plan for Night 1. I think this should be a main objective.

All around garbage idea. How are we supposed to make a night plan, and why do we even need one when it makes PRs easier to find for no reason?

As for me being a noob - ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Without plan you may end up with escorts rb Town Investigative, Veteran kills Town Protective, etc.

how the hell do you prevent that without letting scum hit a guaranteed PR

PEdit- The OMGUS vote was sus, it makes more sence for me with scum!soul but after that their reactions felt honest and in general I think scum would be more defensive or use more AtE. I know this isn't a solid read but I'm sure I could dig up some posts to say specifically why I think they are town.

[kosmo16]

Without plan you may end up with escorts rb Town Investigative, Veteran kills Town Protective, etc.

It could happen regardless, planning won't prevent this.

The thing is that you can. In our game as an Escort I would rb Soul. Let's say we agree that Escort should do that Night 1. Consort wouldn't like that, because would be forced to that as well.

[cmitc1]

ok, what if a member of the mafia has a lookout ability? discussing PR actions is generally bad until we reach late game Poe and such, so leave it alone.

[FMLSheWas12]

The thing is that you can. In our game as an Escort I would rb Soul. Let's say we agree that Escort should do that Night 1. Consort wouldn't like that, because would be forced to that as well.

If Soul is mafia, then Soul will not perform the factional kill. If there are multiple escorts, then the additional actions are wasted. If there is a consort, they'd either decide not to claim consort, an extremely safe route always available to them, or just dissent. Hence, it is not a good idea.

[RHawkeye]

If you guys really want to vote me up I guess I'm fine with that just look into RHawkeye for me.

I said that we're lynching, I didn't say that we're lynching you.

[ChamAlien]

1) Everyone says "Telling roles and making a plan is giving an open buffet to scum"
2) We don't know mafia roles
3) We don't know town roles so mafia can lie easily