12E: Treacherous Temple: Game Over (Town, NB, NE Won!)

[ShortcutButton]

Shortcut. How many games have you played so far?

It has to be at least 20 but the last one was summer 2016

Then how about you start doing something other than acting like a dumb sheep?

This dude is angry as fuck and it's not wanting me to take my vote off you

[snapshot112]

EZ scum.

Ichibalus seems like mislynch bait and Shortcutbutton like the witch/NE

(can I assume we have a kind of normal rolelist?)

P-edit: Love you too

[PurpleSidewalk1]

Listen people. Adnilin tries when he is scum and does not try when he is villager.

He is trying, and trying to be less trollish and fit in.

Almost similar to you random voting and vote changing when you're town and not doing so when you're scum, and there is a large lack of random voting and vote switching...
:thinking: hmmmm.....

Harper might be on to something here. Basically that your meta argument is trash and is bad and you should feel bad.

A meta argument on a meta argument. Wow.

Alright, Andilin. Your defense was solid.

/Unvote

I'll admit that my reasons for voting were godawful. What I don't like is how quickly it took for Shortcut to jump onto that wagon.
It seems like a very easy bus/mislynch.

Something about your tone still seems off, but I'll be fine for now.

Now, what other reads have come up in the past few pages?

The andilin wagon could have been a reaction test or this post is copping out of being caught
I think there is one scum from {Shortcut, Ici} here

I didnt like multiuniverse's post, they havent been very active and their last post was just fluff but I would only really see them as Cit or Neutral here

I really don't like the way you are suggesting that it could have been a reaction test while he clearly stated it wasn't one.

/vote xultiix

Show me how Ult is scum in this game.

[MichaelgRook]

(can I assume we have a kind of normal rolelist?)

Can't answer that

[MichaelgRook]

All I can say is that the rolelist was approved.

[MichaelgRook]

Current Vote Count

Player	Votes	Voters
	#	Votes Until Majority

[Anonymous0726]

Caught up.

Andilin, could you please answer this question?

Hang on a sec.
I'm confused about this post. From what I understand, andilin is saying Shortcut is scumreading Ici without voting? Or something like that? I'd rather andilin reply to this, btw.

In other news, ici's initial read on andi was bad, andi's reaction was somewhat bad, and under's continued death tunnel is really bad. (Is under usually like this, as town or as scum? Am willing to use meta on this.)
The people on the side, however, have had some interesting reactions. Going to analyze them next post, cause I think I'm near the prod timer.

[EvilDeanius0]

Is snapshot an alt or have I just never seen him before?

[UNDERSTOOD12345]

under's unusually unaggressive. (avoid alliteration. always.) i'm really not liking it, he seems too passive, and the wagon he has chosen to pursue is lackluster at the very best and laughably bad at the worst.

i don't think snapshot's an alt but idk

Snap's not an alt, Andilin is scum, and I just don't have as much time for this game as I normally do. Still gonna participate though

[snapshot112]

Is snapshot an alt or have I just never seen him before?

not an alt

[snapshot112]

Alright, Andilin. Your defense was solid.

/Unvote

I'll admit that my reasons for voting were godawful. What I don't like is how quickly it took for Shortcut to jump onto that wagon.
It seems like a very easy bus/mislynch.

Something about your tone still seems off, but I'll be fine for now.

Now, what other reads have come up in the past few pages?

The andilin wagon could have been a reaction test or this post is copping out of being caught
I think there is one scum from {Shortcut, Ici} here

I didnt like multiuniverse's post, they havent been very active and their last post was just fluff but I would only really see them as Cit or Neutral here

first line is FALSE. because Ichi said it was not a reaction test.
first line is also really awfull because IMO it's insanely obvious that he wasn't 'copping out of being caught'. He was wrong and is admitting his mistakes. It's not like he did anything particulary bad.
where the hell does shortcut come in to the statement? I mean: It's not like I can't see why she would be scum, but don't just pile her in there without explaining why.

and for some reason I also get a stragne urge to defend multiuniverse here, (might be another FM game, who knows)

[snapshot112]

all in all his reply was shit.

and not a Town! kind of shit, but more like a Scum! time of shit.

[Anonymous0726]

Just noticed this post:

You know what? Murat's right. That's rude.

So basically you are defending Ici until the end.

One question:

Are you guys together?

That first line is pure wtf; shortcut hadn't even mention ici (since andi's last post, at least, and Shortcut's post was after that). Saying that someone is rude is nowhere near saying their reads are wrong.

But back to the other people.
Shortcut does seem opportunistic. His tone actually didn't seem super opportunistic, but he voted and added nothing except that he didn't use meta to make the read. (Later, he eventually added that andi didn't vote and some other stuff, but that was later.) Not entirely sure on him, but slight scum for now.

Snapshot was blatantly white-knighting, but others have said enough about that. I find his two most recent posts somewhat interesting; kind of feels like he's trying to cover his wk-ing by attacking someone on the other side. Strongest scum read atm.

Ici seems town by the way. Admitted he was wrong, has been participating in discussion, the usual townie stuff.

Andi I'm unsure. I'd like him to answer my questions. Sort of leaning slight town as a gut, though.

Under I'm also unsure. From what I've seen, he seems to do this a lot, regardless of being town or scum? I just can't tell if his deathtunnel is AI or not. Without any other information, though, I'm leaning slight scum.

Ultii is a gut town read.

I haven't particularly noticed anyone else. Will probably do a full reads list in 2 or 3 irl days.

[ShortcutButton]

Andilin1|4|ShortCutButton,
Awesome5000,xUltiix,Understood12345;TalkingDirty|1|JackoDerp;Murat1996|1|Andilin1;Snapshot112|1|QuantumRadiance;JackoDerp |1|Murat1996;xUltiix|1|Snapshot112

Wrong votecount

[Anonymous0726]

Snapshot was blatantly white-knighting, but others have said enough about that. I find his two most recent posts somewhat interesting; kind of feels like he's trying to cover his wk-ing by attacking someone on the other side. Strongest scum read atm.

Wasn't his last two posts when I posted this (third and fourth most recent at the time), but those two weren't any better.

[Anonymous0726]

Forgot about TD.
I actually kind of like his last post, but I really don't like the way he tried to shoot down Quantum's read. Also kind of pushing a PL on Under, which I don't like. I could actually see it as a bad bussing attempt. Moderate scum.

In other news: Spoiler:

I wouldn't directly say you plan on pocketing people. It sounds weird. Like you're trying to form an army of people who agree with you or something.

Fineeee '


@michael can you get rid of that gif in your signature? It is actually giving me a headache.

Listen people. Adnilin tries when he is scum and does not try when he is villager.

He is trying, and trying to be less trollish and fit in.

Understood can you stop deathtunneling for one second? I think you are town and I want you to take a look at someone else because no one is going to listen to your nonsense for andilin.



Reads I will not take credit for later on:
* = gut
Strong town {}
Medium town {Quantum}
Slight town {andilin, UNDERSTOOD, Harper, Olly*}
Null {Ici, Ult, Talking,Jacko}
Slight scum {snap, shortcut*}
Medium scum {}
Strong scum {}

I probably fucked those up, but I have to do some studying today so bye.

What makes you think Under is town?
I'm also kind of curious about Olly, who hasn't really said anything of substance. I know it's a gut read, but still.
Also, are you now townreading Ult, or what? (Based on your last post.) Also kind of disagree about TD, but w/e.

[MichaelgRook]

Andilin1|4|ShortCutButton,
Awesome5000,xUltiix,Understood12345;TalkingDirty|1|JackoDerp;Murat1996|1|Andilin1;Snapshot112|1|QuantumRadiance;JackoDerp |1|Murat1996;xUltiix|1|Snapshot112

Wrong votecount

I blame Lex, they were supposed to come in for the vc while I'm gone.

Whatever, I'll fix it when I get to a computer.

[PurpleSidewalk1]

Just noticed this post:

You know what? Murat's right. That's rude.

So basically you are defending Ici until the end.

One question:

Are you guys together?

That first line is pure wtf; shortcut hadn't even mention ici (since andi's last post, at least, and Shortcut's post was after that). Saying that someone is rude is nowhere near saying their reads are wrong.

Read in context. Ult said Ici was retarded and then murat said that was rude and then shortcut agreed with murat, therefore defending Ici from Ult calling him retarded. Andil is joking.

-snip-

-snip-
Reads I will not take credit for later on:
* = gut
Strong town {}
Medium town {Quantum}
Slight town {andilin, UNDERSTOOD, Harper, Olly*}
Null {Ici, Ult, Talking,Jacko}
Slight scum {snap, shortcut*}
Medium scum {}
Strong scum {}

I probably fucked those up, but I have to do some studying today so bye.

What makes you think Under is town?
I'm also kind of curious about Olly, who hasn't really said anything of substance. I know it's a gut read, but still.
Also, are you now townreading Ult, or what? (Based on your last post.) Also kind of disagree about TD, but w/e.

Under is doing the same things he was doing as town last time expect less actively. His bullshit n0 sheriff thing pings me as town too which is why I told him to stfu and get back to something else because I see him as town doing something incredibly useless.
Olly literally just had one post that pinged me as town the same way he did in VFM10 and I was right then so ye townread.

@Anon why not scumread awesome500 for wanting to PL andilin and STILL having his vote there because he doesn't give a fuck about andilin's alignment even though it is a fucking closed game and we can't spare a mislynch because we don't actually know when we lose majority. Also add awesome500 to slight scum in my reads cause fuck that noise.

how tf am i the only one on the snapshot wagon

Fineeeeee

/vote snapshot

[PurpleSidewalk1]

Andilin1|4|ShortCutButton,
Awesome5000,xUltiix,Understood12345;TalkingDirty|1|JackoDerp;Murat1996|1|Andilin1;Snapshot112|1|QuantumRadiance;JackoDerp |1|Murat1996;xUltiix|1|Snapshot112

Wrong votecount

I blame Lex, they were supposed to come in for the vc while I'm gone.

Whatever, I'll fix it when I get to a computer.

Ctrl+F "/vote" and keep a VC open on docs or something. Easy.

[snapshot112]

Ok what is white knighting? I can't figure it out.

whiteknighting is a tactic where you're deliberately nice to someone so they townread you.
there are a few players it's ineffective on, namely ones that already are aware that their play is shit and hold to that stigma
but overall I'd consider it widely used, it's extremely easy to do and, depending on your skill, easy or difficult to spot

lol, I tought it was just defending someone else in general.

[snapshot112]

well then, I have the easy explanation for you: I alway's always defend people who I think are being unjustly scumread.
And I'm not planning to change that just because you hate me for it.

[PurpleSidewalk1]

@Snap your whole thing on Ult is not even close to enough to warrant a vote. I still don't quite understand why you would feel so strongly that he is scum from that, I understand why you think he is stupid from it, but not scum.

Also what makes you say "shortcut is NE/Witch"?

[PurpleSidewalk1]

@Snap your whole thing on Ult is not even close to enough to warrant a vote. I still don't quite understand why you would feel so strongly that he is scum from that, I understand why you think he is stupid from it, but not scum.

Also what makes you say "shortcut is NE/Witch"?

Sorry rephrase that "shortcut seems like NE/Witch" I don't want to misrepresent your words.

[andilin1]

sorry I didn't have time to din. everything yesterday

goignt o do it today

[HarperReed]

Harper gets calling people out for their trash, as it is something that Harper does quite often. However there is a difference between being aggressive like Harper and then white knighting another.
White knighting by the way is defending another, as someone else pointed out. You're essentially fighting their battles instead of letting them defend themselves.

As a side note, for those that have neutral reads, Harper is a bit busy and doesn't have time to look for who and whom they are neutral reading, but Harper wants to hear more of that. What is pinging specifically to be neutral at this point? Harper has not seen anything "neutral pingy" thus far.