Game IV-B (Herps, Derps and Fails - Full Time! Mafia Win!)

[LordofFail]

Arckas is whispering to Doobledore

[Rickdaily12]

...I think Town needs to find this Blackmailer. First and foremost.

I also think that Santa should be safe from dying tonight. Seeing as how he's the only Investigative role this Town will have left after being killed, the Town needs to have him used in a way to locate the Blackmailer. And this won't be happening if he constantly needs to concern himself over who Sturps is visiting.

I've changed my mind about lynching Metrion. If we cannot work out the Blackmailer today, I want Sturps lynched. At least then, Town will have a way to determine actually useful information. TheCow, I'll let you teeter between healing yourself or Santa tonight.

Thoughts?

[Arckas]

I think Sturps was investigated purely to make it appear as though that IF, a Spy were to announce his findings for whatever weird reason, the Mafia could argue him being Framed or him being Investigated, whichever works in the event of there being a Spy or Investigator.

Sturps framing himself to catch your eye would be equally argued as a reason to have the Consigliere go after him. This would imply that Andi has been framed both Nights 1 and 2. Mafia could then lead us thinking either a Consigliere got him or a Framer, whichever works to their goals better.


It just so happened that we were able to prove that a Consigliere existed based on Santa and yourself yesterday, LeScraf.

Either way, I find both a Framer framing himself and a Consigliere investigating a Framer to be incredible actions with equal probability, no?

Rick, the investigator investigated Sturps and found him to be the framer. The spy guarantees its not a frame.

[LeScraf]

...I think Town needs to find this Blackmailer. First and foremost.

I also think that Santa should be safe from dying tonight. Seeing as how he's the only Investigative role this Town will have left after being killed, the Town needs to have him used in a way to locate the Blackmailer. And this won't be happening if he constantly needs to concern himself over who Sturps is visiting.

I've changed my mind about lynching Metrion. If we cannot work out the Blackmailer today, I want Sturps lynched. At least then, Town will have a way to determine actually useful information. TheCow, I'll let you teeter between healing yourself or Santa tonight.

Thoughts?

I personally think Nelly is right.

[LordofFail]

Dooble can be Phoenix.
Santa can be Apollo.
And Rick can be Athena.

In that case, I am Manfred von Karma. You're all f*cked

[Rickdaily12]

Arckas, you're not listening to me. What happened on night 1? What did Sturps the Framer, and the unknown Consigliere, REALLY do?

I find that:

1. Sturps framing himself to protect himself from Investigative roles
2. The Consigliere investigating Sturps to make him look more innocent


to be of equal probability to each other. Do you disagree? If so, I assert that it's possible that Zero is the Consigliere. Hence why I want neither Grepar or Andi to be lynched, as I don't want to see the Arsonist killed during the day today.

[Sturps]

Hmmm, that's right. Lynch the person who opposes your theories.
If you think that lynching me is going to change anything, sorry to bore you, but I don't really care. You can do whatever you want with how much power you think you have.
Its not a matter of who you want lynched, its a matter of who everyone else thinks is a good lynch.
You may be the swayer of votes, but I honestly don't think you should take the role of the one making the calls. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, including Nelly.

[Sturps]

Dooble can be Phoenix.
Santa can be Apollo.
And Rick can be Athena.

In that case, I am Manfred von Karma. You're all f*cked

This would be fitting for you.

[LordofFail]

Actually, I'm opposed to Grepar's lynch. I'm fairly sure that Zero is the Consigliere, and that the Mafia are trying to conceal them from the Town. I could be wrong, and we won't know for sure... unless we have Santa interrogate Zero while we lynch Sturps, IF Town wants to entertain my idea that Zero is a member of the Mafia. (Sorry Metrion, but I doubt you're actually trying to help the Town right now by telling me blatantly that Zero is innocent.)

Grepar's high on my suspicion of being the actual Arsonist, so I want some harder concrete proof that he's not. LeScraf, looking over your night information again, can you tell me if you can spot anything that might tip us off to the Blackmailer's actual identity?

Starting with why Sturps had to frame himself... when he's already the Framer?

Could Sturps have been investigated?

Speaking of which... can framers actually frame themself?

cause they couldn't in 3C

Yes, framers can frame themselves. Just like Blackmailers can Blackmail other Mafia members (including themselves), and a Consigliere may investigate any other Mafia, and a Janitor can clean any Mafia, ... I think you get the point here: Mafia can target Mafia, even targeting themselves should they choose (except for the killing roles)

[Arckas]

Arckas, you're not listening to me. What happened on night 1? What did Sturps the Framer, and the unknown Consigliere, REALLY do?

I find that:

1. Sturps framing himself to protect himself from Investigative roles
2. The Consigliere investigating Sturps to make him look more innocent


to be of equal probability to each other. Do you disagree? If so, I assert that it's possible that Zero is the Consigliere. Hence why I want neither Grepar or Andi to be lynched, as I don't want to see the Arsonist killed during the day today.

Sorry, didn't clarify.

Primorax investigated Sturps today. He did not frame himself due to the spy results. He HAS to be framer.

Santa got attacked.
Metrion Framed.
Primorax blackmailed
Zero investigated.

[LordofFail]

Current vote count:


Doobledore (1): Sturps
Andirafanan (1): Metrion
Grepar (1): TheCow

9 votes are needed for a lynch.


Great. Now we have two voters who posted /unvote in the thread but didnt actually change their vote. Ugh.

[Sturps]

Arckas, you're not listening to me. What happened on night 1? What did Sturps the Framer, and the unknown Consigliere, REALLY do?

I find that:

1. Sturps framing himself to protect himself from Investigative roles
2. The Consigliere investigating Sturps to make him look more innocent


to be of equal probability to each other. Do you disagree? If so, I assert that it's possible that Zero is the Consigliere. Hence why I want neither Grepar or Andi to be lynched, as I don't want to see the Arsonist killed during the day today.

Sorry, didn't clarify.

Primorax investigated Sturps today. He did not frame himself due to the spy results. He HAS to be framer.

Santa got attacked.
Metrion Framed.
Primorax blackmailed
Zero investigated.

That won't convince Rick otherwise. He wants a Mafia lynched today because he wants the Arsonist to live, yet that goes against what the Town wants because they want the Arsonist gone considering they can easily ignite tonight.
Proving that I'm a framer changes nothing.

Also, Primorix**

[Arckas]

Sounds good, Rick. Congratulations on your win.
As for the visits...

A member of the Mafia visited Primorix last night!
A member of the Mafia visited Santa07 last night! (Attempted Kill)
A member of the Mafia visited Zero last night!
A member of the Mafia visited Metrion last night!

[LordofFail]

96 Hours Remain in Day 4

[Rickdaily12]

ARCKAS. YOU ARE NOT LISTENING.

What did Sturps do on Night ONE. Either answer that question or stop talking. I KNOW that Sturps is Framer. THIS IS THE PROBLEM.

[LordofFail]

I will stun gun all of you until you decide on who to lynch. Looks like I was right when I said this game would be interesting - although I never expected it to turn out like this XD.

[Arckas]

ARCKAS. YOU ARE NOT LISTENING.

What did Sturps do on Night ONE. Either answer that question or stop talking. I KNOW that Sturps is Framer. THIS IS THE PROBLEM.

Ahhhh

Well there are two possibilities and only one makes sense.

The one that doesn't, is that that he had the consigliere investigate Sturps. That I cannot accept to be a possibility no mater how stupid it is.

That means that Sturps actually did frame himself and the consigliere investigated Andi, which is why were here today.

So yes, Sturps, descpite not knowing anything, did infact frame himself.

[Santa07]

I will stun gun all of you until you decide on who to lynch. Looks like I was right when I said this game would be interesting - although I never expected it to turn out like this XD.

dont rush us, we're thinking

[Rickdaily12]

I don't know how a Framer making himself look more like a Framer makes any more sense than Consigliere looking at the Framer.
Considering both could be done ONLY for the attention of a Spy.

Anyway, are we really running dry on leads on this Mafia, guys? If so, I'm going to propose we vote after Nelly catches herself up with us in the morning. It's all a matter of asking- do you know who is taking away your vote each day, and if not, do you want Santa to be actually useful?

[Arckas]

I will stun gun all of you until you decide on who to lynch. Looks like I was right when I said this game would be interesting - although I never expected it to turn out like this XD.

dont rush us, we're thinking

And don't look so happy about it either.

[Santa07]

so andi is arsonist, and i think grepar or metrion is bmer

seeing that rick wont help us if we lynch the arsonist, then i guess we have to sacrifice 3 important roles.

but rick if we sacrifice three important roles and you still do not help us, may god damn you even further, and may this avatar and signature never change

[Arckas]

so andi is arsonist, and i think grepar or metrion is bmer

seeing that rick wont help us if we lynch the arsonist, then i guess we have to sacrifice 3 important roles.

but rick if we sacrifice three important roles and you still do not help us, may god damn you even further, and may this avatar and signature never change

Those threats son!

[Sturps]

I don't know how a Framer making himself look more like a Framer makes any more sense than Consigliere looking at the Framer.
Considering both could be done ONLY for the attention of a Spy.

Anyway, are we really running dry on leads on this Mafia, guys? If so, I'm going to propose we vote after Nelly catches herself up with us in the morning. It's all a matter of asking- do you know who is taking away your vote each day, and if not, do you want Santa to be actually useful?

I have a more interesting situation for you to consider, Rick.

Would it be more likely for a Framer to frame someone who only posted 3 times on Day 1 and was not in the spotlight?

Or would it be more likely for a Framer to frame themselves, considering they were a spotlight topic of discussion on Day One?

[Rickdaily12]

I have a more interesting situation for you to consider, Rick.

Would it be more likely for a Framer to frame themselves, considering they were a spotlight topic of discussion on Day One?

I'll be point blank and direct. This is NOT the reason you framed yourself. If this were the key reason, you would have just let the Framer result confuse anyone who tried to look at you. And you bloody know this too.If LoF's "crazy game" comment is the reason you framed yourself, I'm not happy.

I'm trying hard to be optimistic.

That, and I STILL find Zero's comment about postage to be odd. Too odd to be worth ruling him out as Consigliere, or at the very least, Mafia. But either way, I think I might want to see him interrogated tonight. But I can't argue one way or the other right now.


So Sturps, why didn't you out the alleged Arsonist in your death note Day 3 or Day 4? If you really want him lynched today, you're not exactly making an effort.

[LordofFail]

All of these images describe how I felt at some point while reading the last 15 pages of thread.

Put in a spoiler so it dosent take up that much room.


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