Game IV-B (Herps, Derps and Fails - Full Time! Mafia Win!)

[Sturps]

Also town, please make up your mind.
You almost gave me a heart attack.

[Rickdaily12]

Sturps.

If Zero is actually the Consigliere, the reason he had no code for you is because Mafia already knew your actual role.

I've countered your argument as to how Zero could be JUST as much of a Consigliere as Grepar could be. Combine this with your Mafia's love of confusion right now, and I'm not appreciating the attitude of Metrion towards me earlier.

Did you frame Andirafanan both nights.

[Santa07]

GUYS VISUAL STUDIO HAS ALMOST FINISHED REPAIRING

[LeScraf]

Actually, I'm opposed to Grepar's lynch. I'm fairly sure that Zero is the Consigliere, and that the Mafia are trying to conceal them from the Town. I could be wrong, and we won't know for sure... unless we have Santa interrogate Zero while we lynch Sturps, IF Town wants to entertain my idea that Zero is a member of the Mafia. (Sorry Metrion, but I doubt you're actually trying to help the Town right now by telling me blatantly that Zero is innocent.)

Grepar's high on my suspicion of being the actual Arsonist, so I want some harder concrete proof that he's not. LeScraf, looking over your night information again, can you tell me if you can spot anything that might tip us off to the Blackmailer's actual identity?

Starting with why Sturps had to frame himself... when he's already the Framer?

Could Sturps have been investigated?

/unvote

Hm. That does strike me as odd. Was he transported?
Also, during N3, both Zero and Metrion were visited. ...why?

[Arckas]

[Santa07]

Also town, please make up your mind.
You almost gave me a heart attack.

poor sturps

speaking of which, what would you call the australian mafia?

[Santa07]

computer needs to re-start, ill be back in a minute

[Arckas]

That moment will go down in FM history.

Man Mayor.

[Sturps]

Sturps.

If Zero is actually the Consigliere, the reason he had no code for you is because Mafia already knew your actual role.

I've countered your argument as to how Zero could be JUST as much of a Consigliere as Grepar could be. Combine this with your Mafia's love of confusion right now, and I'm not appreciating the attitude of Metrion towards me earlier.

Did you frame Andirafanan both nights.

First of all, when did I argue about Zero?
And if Primorix saw me as the Framer, why would the Mafia investigate me, on the first night of all times?
No, I did not frame Andirafanan twice.

[LeScraf]

PC decided to do updates upon shut down so here I am on my phone.
Rick...I honestly do believe you are right about this. And honestly, in my notes I had Blue as blackmailer since it isn't Zero and those two were the only ones I didn't have roles for with remaining a ones being citizen and blackmailer.

ALSO WOW STOP POSTING THANKS ;__;

HOLD
IT!

Who is the other person in your notes that could be Citizen/Blackmailer?

[Doobledore]

No offense, Santa. But why do you keep saying that you don't want the day to end yet? You vote, and then you cancel your vote saying you don't want the day to end.

There's nothing to discuss really. We know who's evil.

But can someone make up their mind a pick someone to lynch??

[LeScraf]

PC decided to do updates upon shut down so here I am on my phone.
Rick...I honestly do believe you are right about this. And honestly, in my notes I had Blue as blackmailer since it isn't Zero and those two were the only ones I didn't have roles for with remaining a ones being citizen and blackmailer.

ALSO WOW STOP POSTING THANKS ;__;

HOLD
IT!

Who is the other person in your notes that could be Citizen/Blackmailer?

This is what being on mobile does to you.

[Sturps]

No offense, Santa. But why do you keep saying that you don't want the day to end yet? You vote, and then you cancel your vote saying you don't want the day to end.

There's nothing to discuss really. We know who's evil.

But can someone make up their mind a pick someone to lynch??

Apparently not, because everyone seems to be following Rick instead of sharing their own personal opinions.

[Nellyfox]

PC decided to do updates upon shut down so here I am on my phone.
Rick...I honestly do believe you are right about this. And honestly, in my notes I had Blue as blackmailer since it isn't Zero and those two were the only ones I didn't have roles for with remaining a ones being citizen and blackmailer.

ALSO WOW STOP POSTING THANKS ;__;

HOLD
IT!

Who is the other person in your notes that could be Citizen/Blackmailer?

Spoiler: Player List:

#1) Primorix (Invest)
#2) Doobledore (Mayor)
#3) Santa07 (Sheriff)
#4) Zero (Citizen)
#5) TheCow (Doctor)
#6) Sturps (Framer)
#9) BlueTheGirl (Blackmailer)
#10) Andirafanan (Arsonist)
#11) Metrion (Godfather?)
#12) Nellyfox (Survivor)
#13) Rickdaily12 (Exe)
#15) LeScraf (Spy)
#16) Stellaluna (Citizen)
#17) Arckas (Citizen)
#18) StaticLight (Veteran)
#20) Grepar (Consig?)


Graveyard:
#7) ValeforRaine (Jailor)
#19) Hiphoplog (Stalker)
#14) TheThief (Transporter)
#8) PiePerson (Medium)


Role List:


Any (8)
Investigator (1)
Town Investigative (15)
Town Protective (5)
Town Killing (18)
Town Support (14)
Town Power (7)
Random Town (3)
Random Town (2)
Citizen (16)
Citizen (17)
Citizen (4)
Godfather (11)
Mafia Support (20)
Mafia Deception (6)
Random Mafia (9)
Neutral Benign (12)
Neutral Evil (13)
Neutral Killing (19)
Random Neutral (10)
That's what I have. I doubt this is correct though.

[Rickdaily12]

Then tell me- why frame you?

That does virtually NOTHING for ANY of the Investigators, and it would have protected another Mafia member just as easily as you.


I find the framing of yourself to be quite dubious. But the investigation of yourself, on the other hand... would even explain Zero's lack of Day 2 code.

But can someone make up their mind a pick someone to lynch??

NO.

This day ends when I've discussed enough about what I'm comfortable with doing today. I want to talk more with nelly with he gets back about what he and I are doing, and I want to unravel the deception that the Mafia have caused today.

I'm doing you a favor, so stop harassing me, Mayor.

[Rickdaily12]

Also, nelly, I have my own doubts about that list.

None that I'll publically share with you, but I'll give you my take on that list in my own incoming whisper after some more time.

[Nellyfox]

Gotcha, Rick. Ill be waiting.
I seriously have to go though so for real, off to bed.

Irrelevant but I am female and would prefer to be referred to as such.

[Rickdaily12]

Gotcha, Rick. Ill be waiting.
I seriously have to go though so for real, off to bed.

Irrelevant but I am female and would prefer to be referred to as such.

This is why I feel as though "preferred pronouns" should be a thing in FM. I'm sorry.

[Sturps]

Then tell me- why frame you?

That does virtually NOTHING for ANY of the Investigators, and it would have protected another Mafia member just as easily as you.


I find the framing of yourself to be quite dubious. But the investigation of yourself, on the other hand... would even explain Zero's lack of Day 2 code.

I thought this was already brought up, but apparently you seem to be forgetting things.
I framed myself on Night 1 for two reasons. The first being that you and Primorix were talking about me the previous day, hinting that an Investigative would possibly search me.
The second reason, in combination with the first, was that I was worried of being discovered on the first night due to your discussion and the fact that I was a Town-disguised Mafia in my last recent game that I won, so I was already drawing attention to myself from that game. I was paranoid.

All these questions makes it seem like you're trying to draw some new kind of information out of me. May I ask what that is?

[Doobledore]

I like how we're all just letting the Neutral Evil guide us on how to lynch.

#RickForMayor

[Doobledore]

I like how we're all just letting the Neutral Evil guide us on how to lynch.

#RickForMayor

*who to lynch

[Rickdaily12]

It's simple, Sturps. If you framed yourself PURELY because you thought mine and Primorix's discussion would have drawn attention to you, then

1. If you thought you would be investigated by an Investigator, you wouldn't need to frame yourself as you already appear as your framed targets.
2. If you thought you would be interrogated by a Sheriff, you wouldn't need to frame yourself as you already appear as your framed targets.

3. You wouldn't be able to know if a Spy could call you out, least of all with only N1 information, becayse LeScraf would NORMALLY not have needed to reveal.
4. A Lookout seeing you visit either yourself or someone else would know nothing without Spy.


I don't think you judged that you needed to frame yourself for these reasons. I think you're lying about framing yourself.

[LeScraf]

It's simple, Sturps. If you framed yourself PURELY because you thought mine and Primorix's discussion would have drawn attention to you, then

1. If you thought you would be investigated by an Investigator, you wouldn't need to frame yourself as you already appear as your framed targets.
2. If you thought you would be interrogated by a Sheriff, you wouldn't need to frame yourself as you already appear as your framed targets.

3. You wouldn't be able to know if a Spy could call you out, least of all with only N1 information, becayse LeScraf would NORMALLY not have needed to reveal.
4. A Lookout seeing you visit either yourself or someone else would know nothing without Spy.


I don't think you judged that you needed to frame yourself for these reasons. I think you're lying about framing yourself.

But here's the thing:
Why would a Consigliere need to check a member of the Mafia?
Was Sturps transported?

[Rickdaily12]

I think Sturps was investigated purely to make it appear as though that IF, a Spy were to announce his findings for whatever weird reason, the Mafia could argue him being Framed or him being Investigated, whichever works in the event of there being a Spy or Investigator.

Sturps framing himself to catch your eye would be equally argued as a reason to have the Consigliere go after him. This would imply that Andi has been framed both Nights 1 and 2. Mafia could then lead us thinking either a Consigliere got him or a Framer, whichever works to their goals better.


It just so happened that we were able to prove that a Consigliere existed based on Santa and yourself yesterday, LeScraf.

Either way, I find both a Framer framing himself and a Consigliere investigating a Framer to be incredible actions with equal probability, no?

[Sturps]

It's simple, Sturps. If you framed yourself PURELY because you thought mine and Primorix's discussion would have drawn attention to you, then

1. If you thought you would be investigated by an Investigator, you wouldn't need to frame yourself as you already appear as your framed targets.
2. If you thought you would be interrogated by a Sheriff, you wouldn't need to frame yourself as you already appear as your framed targets.

3. You wouldn't be able to know if a Spy could call you out, least of all with only N1 information, becayse LeScraf would NORMALLY not have needed to reveal.
4. A Lookout seeing you visit either yourself or someone else would know nothing without Spy.


I don't think you judged that you needed to frame yourself for these reasons. I think you're lying about framing yourself.

But that wasn't the only reason why I framed myself. I believe I clearly stated two reasons. However, you are just focusing on one and grasping for information by calling me out as a liar. Just to let you know, I do not crack under pressure. Pressing doesn't work against me, because I know your intentions. Sorry to bore you.
With Spy being one of the Experimental roles for this game, plus LoF's remark about this being a 'crazy game', I had to take a safety precaution with framing myself in the case of there being a Spy or not being a Spy.

Whatever you think Rick, its your opinion after all. I know the actions I did, you do not. If you say that I'm lying, go ahead I won't stop you. But you have no proof, yet I do.
Not all of your theories turn out to be facts, you know.