[Newcomer FM] NFM14 | Game Over [Mafia Wins!]

[Swordsworth]

To add on to what I was saying before, milte is not a very active player and can tend to be mislynch bait depending on their role. Mislynch bait is the safest night kill, so I'm not entirely sure there is an IC in the mafia this round...

[yauaustin202]

Now, it'd be beneficial for mafia to get rid of an experienced player, no? Well, Assuming that from what I saw last, Swordsworth and Rick are both amazing players, and I would assume that at least one of them would be protected last night. I bet mafia figured the same, and left their targets to either Milte or I. But, considering I haven't actually participated in a mafia game for around 4 months, they probably targeted Milte as he'd have more recent experience than I would have.

Finally to add onto this all, I'd like to say that either Swordsworth or Rick has to be mafia, though I'd be surprised if they both landed as mafia.

I must say i very much agree with ADorkOfPork, but the mafia could also be inexprienced players who doesn't have the same mentality as you.

[kotkowski]

You're all joking, Right?

Why the hell you think that NEW players knows who is experienced most and who is not?!
It's Total bullshit that want to confuse us. Am I wrong?

/vote ADorkOfPork

I know it's too early, but last game I've ignored simmiliar shit and we lose

[ElusiveBelle]

It doesn't take much for a new player to look at the OP and see exactly who are the experienced players. The ones that specifically say "Experienced" right beside their name? However knowing how experienced each of them are is a different story, but between the 4 of them I would assume all town and mafia eyes to be on them regardless just off the fact they are experienced. So it can be seen as a risky choice and an obvious one depending on the mindset and leadership of the mafia and how many of the experienced players rolled for mafia.

[ADorkOfPork]

You're all joking, Right?

Why the hell you think that NEW players knows who is experienced most and who is not?!
It's Total bullshit that want to confuse us. Am I wrong?

/vote ADorkOfPork

I know it's too early, but last game I've ignored simmiliar shit and we lose

Unless this was a scum slip and you just admitted that there are no ICs in the mafia, it is best to assume that there is always one experienced player in mafia.

Hans, the mafia is completely RNG, there is no guarantee for an IC to be a member of the Mafia.

I know it's completely RNG, but does that mean that I cannot have my suspicions. (Hence my use of "I'd like to say" instead of "I know for a fact")

Now, it'd be beneficial for mafia to get rid of an experienced player, no? Well, Assuming that from what I saw last, Swordsworth and Rick are both amazing players, and I would assume that at least one of them would be protected last night. I bet mafia figured the same, and left their targets to either Milte or I. But, considering I haven't actually participated in a mafia game for around 4 months, they probably targeted Milte as he'd have more recent experience than I would have.

Finally to add onto this all, I'd like to say that either Swordsworth or Rick has to be mafia, though I'd be surprised if they both landed as mafia.

I must say i very much agree with ADorkOfPork, but the mafia could also be inexprienced players who doesn't have the same mentality as you.

Even so, I haven't really played a mafia game in ages, and even before that I think my play style was very amateurish.

[ElusiveBelle]

New players will not know the Experienced level of all the experienced players, we don't know whom has played long, better, most recently, etc. The point of whom has more experience between the ICs is a moot one. Unless of course, it is the experienced players making the point to their fellow unexperienced mafia members. That would make more sense as to why to have that as a reasoning right out of the gate and something to point out despite being a moot point.

[Swordsworth]

@Any FM Moderator viewing the game: Please reiterate for us, are the rollings rigged to guarantee at least 1 IC to be scum? Or is it random?

[Swordsworth]

E3, there is a difference between an inference and a fact.

[ObiWan]

@Any FM Moderator viewing the game: Please reiterate for us, are the rollings rigged to guarantee at least 1 IC to be scum? Or is it random?

It is completely random

[Swordsworth]

@Any FM Moderator viewing the game: Please reiterate for us, are the rollings rigged to guarantee at least 1 IC to be scum? Or is it random?

It is completely random

Quoted

Don't use faulty logic, E3.

[MaccaMania]

I slept peacefully last night.

It is pretty logical that there would be at least 1 IC that is scum, especially since milte was killed, and as stated before that was a safe kill.

There is still a slight chance that the mafia are newbies and just randomly picked one of the experienced players, but I still think that there is 1 or more IC's in the mafia. I am unsure of which IC it is though.

[ElusiveBelle]

Honestly I am leaning more towards Pork being the IC, or one of them, that is in the mafia. The extra logic of why pick Milte was a bit too well thought out for my taste, it's fine to point out that new players would know they as the ICs would be targeted and such but to go so in depth about why and whom is more skilled over others is something that would clearly go over a new players head. We have no way of knowing which of you play more, haven't played in a while, or have notorious connotations to your name. The fact to go into something so specific sounds like a rehearsed plan with mafia and to have them back it up.

My suspected mafia based off that.
Swordsworth
ADorkofPork
MaccaMania

Take from that what you will, still willing to hear discussions on this.

[destawaits]

I was roleblocked last night, so there might be a consort.

Here's what I've got so far.

Rick is quite innocent when you look at it using reverse logic.

You see, Rick has already proved time and time again that he was too experienced. So why won't scum kill him? Because he is so experienced, he most likely be protected by a TP, so the Mafia cannot risk wasting a night or worse, losing a member of the Mafia. And this would also benefit the Mafia as Rick might be framed for being scum, as he is not killed by scum but instead, alive and well.

[Rickdaily12]

I'm having a situation at home right now, so I'm avoiding the computer- I'm out with just my phone. I'm just with my boyfriend and I'll be out for the next few hours.

I did sleep peacefully, and I think I'm seeing a little too much thinking if all the ICs are being voted?

Anyway, I'll be reading the thread, but I really can't be elaborate at t be moment, and I'm not having the greatest day either. Sorry in advance.

[ObiWan]

@Swords My statement and the reasoning behind it are completely logical. It is very possible for mods to recollection the alignment list until at least one IC is mafia. That would still be completely random.

There is no guarantee of an IC being in the Mafia.
The list is rolled once.

[IamTrusty]

WItched last night,
Sorry for late check in. finished my exams now ^.^

[IamTrusty]

The conclusion rick is scum and insta-vote him based on him not dying or being targetted n1 is really hasted.

Rick never answered if I could call him senpai ˚‧º·(˚ ˃̣̣̥⌓˂̣̣̥ )‧º·˚

[destawaits]

But then, it is still based on gut feeling if we feel that Rick is innocent or scum.

This has been posted before right? Sorry, I thought about it last night and decided to post.

And we have yet to get all the results and see if there is also an escort.

[Swordsworth]

Damnit Obi, that was supposed to be immortalized.

Suit yourself, E3. What do you wish to learn from that vote?

[Swordsworth]

Elusive, I'm not sure I follow what you're trying to say.

[Swordsworth]

Sounds good to me.

[Swordsworth]

Honestly I am leaning more towards Pork being the IC, or one of them, that is in the mafia. The extra logic of why pick Milte was a bit too well thought out for my taste, it's fine to point out that new players would know they as the ICs would be targeted and such but to go so in depth about why and whom is more skilled over others is something that would clearly go over a new players head. We have no way of knowing which of you play more, haven't played in a while, or have notorious connotations to your name. The fact to go into something so specific sounds like a rehearsed plan with mafia and to have them back it up.

My suspected mafia based off that.
Swordsworth
ADorkofPork
MaccaMania

Take from that what you will, still willing to hear discussions on this.

I think what you're saying is that because Hans and I were discussing the kill implications in depth, it was rehearsed and we're scum?

Why MaccaMania of all people? Why not, I dunno, Kinliee?

[destawaits]

E3, we have yet to see all the N1 results before making a conclusion and a lynch. We could formulate a plan that can be executed after the lynch, i.e. if the lynch victim is town, then this might be scum, and if the lynch victim is scum, then this might be scum.

[ElusiveBelle]

Long story short to simply what I mean is that Pork came out of the gate with a long explanation as to why Milte was attacked. Saying that Sword and Rick are better players leaving himself and Milte as the "easier/safer" targets. However the reasoning behind that is that Rick and Sword are both more active and better players, facts that new players here will not know. Nor would we be aware that Milte or Pork have been gone for X amounts of months or just safer targets. Coming out of the gates with an argument like that implies it was possibly rehearsed because they knew Milte was going to die. Hence being mafia. They came up with it too quick to be a coincidence

As for the Maccamania point. It comes from this post

I slept peacefully last night.

It is pretty logical that there would be at least 1 IC that is scum, especially since milte was killed, and as stated before that was a safe kill.

There is still a slight chance that the mafia are newbies and just randomly picked one of the experienced players, but I still think that there is 1 or more IC's in the mafia. I am unsure of which IC it is though.

They agreed quite easily with the fact that Milte was a safe target, essentially falling in line behind what Pork already started with. Much like they were coached to just follow along in a sense.

[Swordsworth]

>Too quick to be a coincidence

You're right, because that's the first logical conclusion, since we've played with Milte before.

Edging into misrepresentation territory...