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Re: 9D (CL) | Nostalgia | Day One (Another Tale)

Postby PokemonKidRyan » Wed Mar 23, 2016 12:43 pm

Kirize12 wrote:
Tiltedcomedian wrote:
James2 wrote:I very much doubt an NK would attack a confirmed Town Power. The chance of a lookout is too high.


Why only an NK and not a Mafia member?

FoS James.

Not to play Devil's Advocate, but I can see where he's coming from. NK's lose upon death whereas Mafia members do not.

Like I said, I still doubt anyone would be high enough to attack a Town Power until the possibility of a Lookout is weakened enough.

Yeah. James somehow is getting some good points across.
If there is a possibility of a Lookout as TI then mafia and NK would both be scared to attack them. Unless they are foolish or very gutsy.
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Re: 9D (CL) | Nostalgia | Day One (Another Tale)

Postby Kirize12 » Wed Mar 23, 2016 12:45 pm

Ryan, now that you're here, may I have your opinion on tiltedcomedian? Something about him seems very...off...but I can't quite put my finger on it.
Factional balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because they cause Town to win a disproportionate amount

Strategical balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because there's no reason to use any other strategy

Structural balance - understanding that disabling the Mayor's whispers, despite it fixing whisper games, means that a player can't use a core mechanic of the game and is still bad

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Re: 9D (CL) | Nostalgia | Day One (Another Tale)

Postby Tiltedcomedian » Wed Mar 23, 2016 12:45 pm

James2 wrote:Because the guy I was replying to specifically mentioned an NK.


Firelight isn't a guy and an NK wasn't the only thing she mentioned.

Kirize12 wrote:Not to play Devil's Advocate, but I can see where he's coming from. NK's lose upon death whereas Mafia members do not.

Like I said, I still doubt anyone would be high enough to attack a Town Power until the possibility of a Lookout is weakened enough.


That's what I was getting at.
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Re: 9D (CL) | Nostalgia | Day One (Another Tale)

Postby PokemonKidRyan » Wed Mar 23, 2016 12:54 pm

Kirize12 wrote:Ryan, now that you're here, may I have your opinion on tiltedcomedian? Something about him seems very...off...but I can't quite put my finger on it.

I don't know what I truly think about tilted at the moment.... Something MIGHT bo off
But I can't directly put my finger on it either :(

I suppose as time goes on, we can develop our ideas in greater depth I hope.
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Re: 9D (CL) | Nostalgia | Day One (Another Tale)

Postby Kirize12 » Wed Mar 23, 2016 12:55 pm

Tiltedcomedian wrote:
James2 wrote:Because the guy I was replying to specifically mentioned an NK.


Firelight isn't a guy and an NK wasn't the only thing she mentioned.

Kirize12 wrote:Not to play Devil's Advocate, but I can see where he's coming from. NK's lose upon death whereas Mafia members do not.

Like I said, I still doubt anyone would be high enough to attack a Town Power until the possibility of a Lookout is weakened enough.


That's what I was getting at.

Tilted, James said that she specifically mentioned an NK. You reply with NK not being the only thing she mentioned - even though James never said that it wasn't. All James said is that she mentioned an NK.

If you agree with me, then why do you FoS James? Sure, he's scummy as fuck, but you're FoSing him for the wrong reasons. Mafia can afford to lose a teammate to take out a Town Power if the situation of the game is right. NK doesn't have a team - if they're going after the Mayor, and a Lookout manages to catch them, it's GG for them.

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Kirize12 wrote:Ryan, now that you're here, may I have your opinion on tiltedcomedian? Something about him seems very...off...but I can't quite put my finger on it.

I don't know what I truly think about tilted at the moment.... Something MIGHT bo off
But I can't directly put my finger on it either :(

I suppose as time goes on, we can develop our ideas in greater depth I hope.

Kinda seems like a fencesit or a sheep, although it is Day 1 and there's not much to work off of. Let me ask you this, then:
Do you get the impression that Tilted is a "soloist" or "group-aligned"? (hopefully you know what those mean - if not, I will explain)
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Strategical balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because there's no reason to use any other strategy

Structural balance - understanding that disabling the Mayor's whispers, despite it fixing whisper games, means that a player can't use a core mechanic of the game and is still bad

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Re: 9D (CL) | Nostalgia | Day One (Another Tale)

Postby PokemonKidRyan » Wed Mar 23, 2016 12:57 pm

I know what it means Kirize.
I have the impression that Tilted is a soloist.

What's your opinion?
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Re: 9D (CL) | Nostalgia | Day One (Another Tale)

Postby Tiltedcomedian » Wed Mar 23, 2016 12:59 pm

Kirize12 wrote:Tilted, James said that she specifically mentioned an NK. You reply with NK not being the only thing she mentioned - even though James never said that it wasn't. All James said is that she mentioned an NK.

If you agree with me, then why do you FoS James? Sure, he's scummy as fuck, but you're FoSing him for the wrong reasons. Mafia can afford to lose a teammate to take out a Town Power if the situation of the game is right. NK doesn't have a team - if they're going after the Mayor, and a Lookout manages to catch them, it's GG for them.


If the situation of the game is right...which equally James didn't say. If you are going to pin me for overextending my words, at least do the same for him.

Irrespective, as he was bringing up the possibility of the TPower dying N2, I was considering it from that standpoint, where the likelihood of a Lookout would be greatest.
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Re: 9D (CL) | Nostalgia | Day One (Another Tale)

Postby LordofFail » Wed Mar 23, 2016 12:59 pm

Hey guys, guess what?

Its Day 1. Lets calm down a bit with the shit flinging and these accusations, shall we? No need for excess salt to be seeping in here...
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Re: 9D (CL) | Nostalgia | Day One (Another Tale)

Postby Tiltedcomedian » Wed Mar 23, 2016 1:01 pm

LordofFail wrote:Hey guys, guess what?

Its Day 1. Lets calm down a bit with the shit flinging and these accusations, shall we? No need for excess salt to be seeping in here...


I think people have forgotten what a CL game feels like. P:
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Re: 9D (CL) | Nostalgia | Day One (Another Tale)

Postby Kirize12 » Wed Mar 23, 2016 1:05 pm

PokemonKidRyan wrote:I know what it means Kirize.
I have the impression that Tilted is a soloist.

What's your opinion?

Please explain your opinion as best as you can. I'll answer it shortly.
Factional balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because they cause Town to win a disproportionate amount

Strategical balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because there's no reason to use any other strategy

Structural balance - understanding that disabling the Mayor's whispers, despite it fixing whisper games, means that a player can't use a core mechanic of the game and is still bad

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Re: 9D (CL) | Nostalgia | Day One (Another Tale)

Postby ElusiveBelle » Wed Mar 23, 2016 1:12 pm

FirelightKnight wrote:And yeah, OK, there is the possibility of a Lookout and that will probably scare off some scum, but even so I'm not convinced that claiming is a good idea.
Plus the scum can just claim protective since protective would be on Tpow anyway. The actual protective would CC, but how are you supposed to know which is the actual TPro? Just hope that the scummier looking one is the actual scum?


This was a concern I was thinking about as well, it would pull out counter claiming which not only reveals the Town Investigative at this point, but also now the Protective as well. That would leave three Important Town picks exposed and the one protector among them. I'd rather not bank on the Randoms rolling something like protective just to be safe.

Granted we could also role a Transporter to save the Power, Protective, or Investigative but banking on that is the same as banking on having lookout in the first place.
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Re: 9D (CL) | Nostalgia | Day One (Another Tale)

Postby Nellyfox » Wed Mar 23, 2016 1:19 pm

hi i'm nelly ~former~ queen of pizza rolls because rock hates my diet

Regarding things that have happened

PL Kirize for even suggesting PLs page one.
Firelight is probably town.

Retributionist & Jailor, do not ever reveal if someone claims roleblocked.
Lawyer, just keep your trap shut the entire game thanks. (there is no reason to claim during your trial but whatever floats your boat)
Earliest time Mayor can reveal is ~25 hours into day 2. Don't even think about revealing today.
But please, if you are unsure that you can lead town do not reveal. When a town power reveals, of course they're automatically assigned town leader, but a role doesn't make a good leader. Take 5E for example where I basically managed the entire town as bodyguard after Pretzel revealed as jailor (sorry bb ily tho)

I think James just wants an easy game tbh.
There is nothing wrong with Tilted.
Careful where you tread, children.

And let me make this clear. If you are on the chopping block, DO NOT CLAIM A ROLE. Claiming a role is not a defense and you will more than likely get lynched.
Investigatives, do not claim if you've found scum. You can get someone lynched even without the direct evidence. Use your judgement when to reveal, but don't just wave your card around because OMG I'M LOOKOUT AND ROCK IS SK BECAUSE HE KILLED AEOLIAAAAN AND I WATCHED HIM LYNCH PLZ 15 minutes into day 2.

The only NK that may target a claimed town power immediately is stalker. Mafia can probably pull something off as well if they got the right roles to do it. But it also depends on who is behind the role and the logic they used. Don't eliminate it because it's stupid or something, sometimes that may be the correct strategy because everyone brushes it off as impossible and doesn't take it into account.

Also for the love of Arceus if you're mentioning past games please include context.
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Re: 9D (CL) | Nostalgia | Day One (Another Tale)

Postby PokemonKidRyan » Wed Mar 23, 2016 1:30 pm

JackoDerp wrote:I feel like if Ryan truely had an opinion he would at least give a reason...

Tiltedcomedian wrote:alouvre is Town.
I think.

This quote was just a little bit weird, like, why would alouvre seem town prior to that post?
Also, they are posting like one comment per page, trying not to give us much to go on as to reading them.
They are a person which as a result of the lack of posting (Like all of us atm) seems to not be the most town oriented.

However, they might be part of a group because they are trying to post more than the average person has.
Which is important with town and mafia alike.

Like, I do not have an extremely solid read for anyone at the moment, but this will develop as the game goes along..
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Re: 9D (CL) | Nostalgia | Day One (Another Tale)

Postby Nellyfox » Wed Mar 23, 2016 1:34 pm

I am guessing the whisper Tilted received from alouvre has to do with his comment. I'm not sure what's so odd about that comment; really the only thing wrong with it is the uncertainty in it. I wouldn't focus too much on it though, as it still most likely is connected to the whisper received.

Can't poorly read someone for post amount when people haven't posted yet.
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Re: 9D (CL) | Nostalgia | Day One (Another Tale)

Postby Kirize12 » Wed Mar 23, 2016 1:36 pm

PokemonKidRyan wrote:
JackoDerp wrote:I feel like if Ryan truely had an opinion he would at least give a reason...

Tiltedcomedian wrote:alouvre is Town.
I think.

This quote was just a little bit weird, like, why would alouvre seem town prior to that post?
Also, they are posting like one comment per page, trying not to give us much to go on as to reading them.
They are a person which as a result of the lack of posting (Like all of us atm) seems to not be the most town oriented.

However, they might be part of a group because they are trying to post more than the average person has.
Which is important with town and mafia alike.

Like, I do not have an extremely solid read for anyone at the moment, but this will develop as the game goes along..

This is kinda a fencesit, although it's D1 and I can understand lack of resources. The last line kinda makes me feel iffy though. "but this will develop as the game goes along..." kinda seems weird to be honest. Can't really put my finger on it, but it just doesn't seem like something a townie would say.
Factional balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because they cause Town to win a disproportionate amount

Strategical balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because there's no reason to use any other strategy

Structural balance - understanding that disabling the Mayor's whispers, despite it fixing whisper games, means that a player can't use a core mechanic of the game and is still bad

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Re: 9D (CL) | Nostalgia | Day One (Another Tale)

Postby Tiltedcomedian » Wed Mar 23, 2016 1:39 pm

Nellyfox wrote:I am guessing the whisper Tilted received from alouvre has to do with his comment. I'm not sure what's so odd about that comment; really the only thing wrong with it is the uncertainty in it. I wouldn't focus too much on it though, as it still most likely is connected to the whisper received.

Can't poorly read someone for post amount when people haven't posted yet.


Pretty much. The whisper was memes. It wasn't so much the content as the targets, as alouvre has done this before.

I added uncertainty in because I can't read alouvre as well as I thought, especially on D1 of a more relaxed game style.
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Re: 9D (CL) | Nostalgia | Day One (Another Tale)

Postby Nellyfox » Wed Mar 23, 2016 1:39 pm

How do you get a town read from memes?
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Re: 9D (CL) | Nostalgia | Day One (Another Tale)

Postby Nellyfox » Wed Mar 23, 2016 1:44 pm

Kirize12 wrote:This is kinda a fencesit, although it's D1 and I can understand lack of resources. The last line kinda makes me feel iffy though. "but this will develop as the game goes along..." kinda seems weird to be honest. Can't really put my finger on it, but it just doesn't seem like something a townie would say.

Tell me your accurate few hours into day one reads, we can just end the game right now.
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Re: 9D (CL) | Nostalgia | Day One (Another Tale)

Postby Tiltedcomedian » Wed Mar 23, 2016 1:48 pm

Nellyfox wrote:How do you get a town read from memes?


Bad phrasing. :P

It wasn't the content, his (slight) Towntell was after I saw who he whispered to.
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Re: 9D (CL) | Nostalgia | Day One (Another Tale)

Postby Kirize12 » Wed Mar 23, 2016 1:50 pm

Nellyfox wrote:
Kirize12 wrote:This is kinda a fencesit, although it's D1 and I can understand lack of resources. The last line kinda makes me feel iffy though. "but this will develop as the game goes along..." kinda seems weird to be honest. Can't really put my finger on it, but it just doesn't seem like something a townie would say.

Tell me your accurate few hours into day one reads, we can just end the game right now.

what the literal fuck is this supposed to mean

Looking over tilted, he seems more group aligned. He seems to be cooperating with a few others and overall, I get the feeling that he's playing more as a teammate than as a lone wolf. No idea where you got that soloist read from.

Plus, you contradict yourself by saying that he looks like part of a group. Care to explain, Ryan?

Tiltedcomedian wrote:
Nellyfox wrote:How do you get a town read from memes?


Bad phrasing. :P

It wasn't the content, his (slight) Towntell was after I saw who he whispered to.

SirCakez? The guy who said literally nothing all game so far?

Honestly, alouvre is giving me bad vibes. Wasting whispers on memes (._. )

I'd request a spy to tap alouvre but it's a little too late.
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Strategical balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because there's no reason to use any other strategy

Structural balance - understanding that disabling the Mayor's whispers, despite it fixing whisper games, means that a player can't use a core mechanic of the game and is still bad

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Re: 9D (CL) | Nostalgia | Day One (Another Tale)

Postby alouvre » Wed Mar 23, 2016 1:52 pm

REMEMBER GUYS IF TILTED SCUMREADS ME LATER AND I FLIP SCUM HE'S SCUM TOO

but yeah nah Tilted hasn't said anything scummy; he always plays rather loosely while still being reserved, if that makes any sense. So I'm actually pretty concerned about those who immediately jumped on him after Kirize asked?

Ryan in particular stated that he didn't know, but began to give more reasons when Kirize accused him of fencesitting or some shit. Obviously people are going to fencesit this early; townies wouldn't be so afraid to not conform if they really don't know, but scum would more likely reach for reasons.

Jacko just said Tilted was being a bit strange and dropped it and Kirize still hasn't given his own opinion, so /shrug we'll see about those two.

Kirize, why did you ask Ryan in particular?
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Re: 9D (CL) | Nostalgia | Day One (Another Tale)

Postby SirCakez » Wed Mar 23, 2016 1:53 pm

Hey hi I'm here now.
Alouvre's whisper was just a meme (the Fur cakez meme *cries*)
I like how this is supposedly a more laid back game and people are acting more serious then in even the episode. Seriously chill the fuck out.
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Re: 9D (CL) | Nostalgia | Day One (Another Tale)

Postby Tiltedcomedian » Wed Mar 23, 2016 1:53 pm

Nothing, hence it's a slight Towntell. Only a building block; I'd need to see how he posts the rest of the game.

Nevertheless, D1 is a starting point.

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Re: 9D (CL) | Nostalgia | Day One (Another Tale)

Postby Kirize12 » Wed Mar 23, 2016 1:54 pm

ElusiveBelle wrote:
FirelightKnight wrote:And yeah, OK, there is the possibility of a Lookout and that will probably scare off some scum, but even so I'm not convinced that claiming is a good idea.
Plus the scum can just claim protective since protective would be on Tpow anyway. The actual protective would CC, but how are you supposed to know which is the actual TPro? Just hope that the scummier looking one is the actual scum?


This was a concern I was thinking about as well, it would pull out counter claiming which not only reveals the Town Investigative at this point, but also now the Protective as well. That would leave three Important Town picks exposed and the one protector among them. I'd rather not bank on the Randoms rolling something like protective just to be safe.

Granted we could also role a Transporter to save the Power, Protective, or Investigative but banking on that is the same as banking on having lookout in the first place.

The thing is with Transporter is that transporter is easily confirmable. It's pretty obvious early on whether there's a transporter or not.

The same cannot be said for Lookout.

FirelightKnight wrote:
Kirize12 wrote:Honestly, alouvre is giving me bad vibes. Wasting whispers on memes (._. )

It's day one. What else is there to whisper about?

I'd rather not whisper at all. If it's memes, alouvre can post them in the thread as it's still Day 1 and shitposting is to be expected, even in a phase of serious discussion.

alouvre wrote:Kirize, why did you ask Ryan in particular?

He just got there and I wanted to get him involved.

alouvre, don't be mean to Cakey ;_;

Alouvre, can you explain why you wasted two whispers on memes when you could have just posted them in the thread?
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Re: 9D (CL) | Nostalgia | Day One (Another Tale)

Postby SirCakez » Wed Mar 23, 2016 1:54 pm

TPow can reveal if they think they can lead well. Jailor and Ret should stay hidden though unless we can safely establish there's no Witch/Consort.
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