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Re: 9B | Day One

Postby Varanus » Wed Mar 02, 2016 1:33 pm

TrueGent wrote:Also dont point out Vet baits, with this playerlist its likely the neutrals are dim enough to not notice it.

Yeah, but same could be said for the town. Kmenx just straight up asked for an Escort to RB him.
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Re: 9B | Day One

Postby EvilDeanius0 » Wed Mar 02, 2016 1:38 pm

James2 wrote:Hello all. I best hardclaim immediately, since I always manage to get lynched, and no one ever believes my claims after I've already been voted to near a lynch.

I am the vigilante.

GOD DAMN IT I WANTED ONE GAME AWAY FROM RYAN'S SHIT AND YOU DO THIS.
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Re: 9B | Day One

Postby Elastoid » Wed Mar 02, 2016 1:38 pm

Okay, James. Here, I'm leveling with you.

Three possibilities:

1) You are actually Vigilante.
There is a WITCH, confirmed, guaranteed. Chances of Witch are 100%. If you are Vig, you dun goofd hardcore, ensuring the Witch WILL control you. So you need to ask for Escort/Marshal RIGHT AWAY to avoid your being easily fucking controlled.

2) You are actually Veteran, trying to Vet bait.
There is STILL A WITCH, confirmed, guaranteed. You can have townies controlled onto you. You're trying, I guess, to kill a Witch who tries to control you? I don't know, but there's just as much chance that the Witch controls someone ONTO you, and you also kill an Escort/Marshal or both. If you're Vet, you CANNOT alert without putting several town members in danger.

3) You're neither. You're scum making an idiot gambit.
Say nothing in that case.

James, you're really fucking town over if you don't speak up here.
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Re: 9B | Day One

Postby Kmenx » Wed Mar 02, 2016 1:40 pm

Varanus wrote:
TrueGent wrote:Also dont point out Vet baits, with this playerlist its likely the neutrals are dim enough to not notice it.

Yeah, but same could be said for the town. Kmenx just straight up asked for an Escort to RB him.


I just didn t think it was a vet bait because

Who tries a vet bait by claiming vig at Day fucking one

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Re: 9B | Day One

Postby Elastoid » Wed Mar 02, 2016 1:41 pm

TrueGent wrote:Also dont point out Vet baits, with this playerlist its likely the neutrals are dim enough to not notice it.

Just as likely that our protectives/escort would be dim enough. Have to be full on damage control at this point, rather than looking for best possible outcome.

I mean, best case, James is Witch, and is hoping that a CC will show up today so he can control them.
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Re: 9B | Day One

Postby TrueGent » Wed Mar 02, 2016 1:42 pm

James is almost certainly town, he doesnt have the brains to come up with this shit as scum
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Re: 9B | Day One

Postby Elastoid » Wed Mar 02, 2016 1:53 pm

TrueGent wrote:James is almost certainly town, he doesnt have the brains to come up with this shit as scum

First serious vocaroo. Yay.

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My first instinct is to trust others' meta reads, but there's this problem that last time I did that I was just getting scum A to confirm that scum B was dumb enough to be town. I can't make that mistake twice. I need to find new ones to make this game.

James, why the fuck did you claim Vig day 1? We can't even lynch you for safety. Are you Donald Trump, just wandering around shouting things without a plan, unaware of what's going on around you, and whose plans you might be jeopardizing? One difference -- I wouldn't vote for Trump even if I could.

Okay, TrueGent, in this instance I'll at least hear you out. What's the best town option here? Do we try to have people on James (assuming we even have an Escort or Marshal)? Do we ignore the problem and hope it goes away? Do we press James for a clarification, to come out as Vet if that's his true role? How should this be handled?

I personally don't like the idea of having him be a secret Vet and just hoping that we have fewer dumb people on town as we do on mafia. That's not something I'd like to risk.
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Re: 9B | Day One

Postby James2 » Wed Mar 02, 2016 2:01 pm

Elastoid wrote:Why hardclaim?


I've been mislynched every game I've played as town. I'd like to avoid that for once, by hardclaiming at the beginning.

Elastoid wrote:Likely he's vetbaiting and you're killing our Escort. As well as anyone controlled onto him.


You must be scum, town wouldn't point out a vetbait. I'm going to shoot you night two unless you give a good defense.

(And no people, I'm not a veteran).

TrueGent wrote:Escorts and Marshals on James tonight


You're right. Escorts and Marshals on me tonight. Marshals only night two.
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Re: 9B | Day One

Postby James2 » Wed Mar 02, 2016 2:02 pm

Elastoid wrote:Are you Donald Trump


No, although I did vote for him yesterday.
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Re: 9B | Day One

Postby EvilDeanius0 » Wed Mar 02, 2016 2:03 pm

James2 wrote:
Elastoid wrote:Are you Donald Trump


No, although I did vote for him yesterday.

This explains everything.
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Re: 9B | Day One

Postby Varanus » Wed Mar 02, 2016 2:04 pm

.....
There's really only one question I have left for you, James.

What the hell is wrong with you?
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Re: 9B | Day One

Postby TrueGent » Wed Mar 02, 2016 2:04 pm

James, no one is going to hang a fucking Vigilante claim on the day they claim, you need to stop being terrible if you want to stop being mislynched, not continue to be terrible.
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Re: 9B | Day One

Postby James2 » Wed Mar 02, 2016 2:04 pm

Arthurcus, what happens if an escort and a witch both target someone protected by a marshal, who gets scared away?
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Re: 9B | Day One

Postby PersianRugs » Wed Mar 02, 2016 2:05 pm

I did not open the spolier!

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Re: 9B | Day One

Postby James2 » Wed Mar 02, 2016 2:06 pm

TrueGent wrote:James, no one is going to hang a fucking Vigilante claim on the day they claim, you need to stop being terrible if you want to stop being mislynched, not continue to be terrible.


I've been lynched as sheriff and bodygaurd. I wouldn't put it past the town to lynch me as vigilante.
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Re: 9B | Day One

Postby Varanus » Wed Mar 02, 2016 2:07 pm

Eliah1102 wrote:
Kmenx wrote:U shold claim vig at D1 in a game with a CONFIRMED witch Best strat 9/10 -too much town killing

Its 11/10 you elitist scum.
But honestly speaking, its a really good strat if they are indeed doing what I think of.
Also are you people taking into account the possibility of a BM?

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Re: 9B | Day One

Postby TrueGent » Wed Mar 02, 2016 2:08 pm

ECO wrote:If multiple roles target someone who is protected by a marshal (sk and mafia, arsonist and sk, mafia and arson, etc), which will be scared away?
Arcthurus: Prankster>Disguiser>Framer>Janitor>Escort>Consort>Witch>Double>Vigilante>Arsonist>Mafia Attacker>Serial Killer

Escort would be scared away.

Pedit: stop talking to me James, lynching a sheriff or a BG claim is not the same as lynching a Vig claim you moron
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Re: 9B | Day One

Postby Moleland » Wed Mar 02, 2016 2:09 pm

James2 wrote:
Elastoid wrote:Are you Donald Trump


No, although I did vote for him yesterday.


PL James immediately.
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Re: 9B | Day One

Postby Elastoid » Wed Mar 02, 2016 2:09 pm

James2 wrote:
Elastoid wrote:Why hardclaim?


I've been mislynched every game I've played as town. I'd like to avoid that for once, by hardclaiming at the beginning.


Again, guaranteed Witch. NO guaranteed Marshal or Escort. So, which is worse? A mislynch, or a Vigilante being controlled by a GUARANTEED WITCH to attack another town member? Which one hurts the town more? At least from a mislynch (one town death) we would gain information we would not through the Witch.

So your reason is shit. That's like shooting your children because you don't want them to be bullied at school.

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Elastoid wrote:Likely he's vetbaiting and you're killing our Escort. As well as anyone controlled onto him.


You must be scum, town wouldn't point out a vetbait. I'm going to shoot you night two unless you give a good defense.

(And no people, I'm not a veteran).


If we were worried you were going to kill a bunch of town members, sure. Again, I'm trying to unpack your claim and do some damage control. I apparently gave you too much credit, my bad.

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TrueGent wrote:Escorts and Marshals on James tonight


You're right. Escorts and Marshals on me tonight. Marshals only night two.

The Witch can make you shoot someone Night 1, even though you can't do it alone.

Are you telling me you made this idiot claim without understanding the Witch/Vig interaction? Should I pretend to be surprised? Jesus christ.
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Re: 9B | Day One

Postby TrueGent » Wed Mar 02, 2016 2:17 pm

Even if he is not Vig or Vet, he doesnt have the balls to do this as scum so the point is null
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Re: 9B | Day One

Postby ItsmeCreature » Wed Mar 02, 2016 2:18 pm

I won't even bother with James2. If he's scum, he'll be smashed by the PoE.
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Re: 9B | Day One

Postby Varanus » Wed Mar 02, 2016 2:18 pm

Eliah1102 wrote:Did it ever occur to you that James could be someone other than Vig or Vet?

After [REDACTED ONGOING GAME]?
Of course I thought about it. It's a stupid play no matter what he is.
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Re: 9B | Day One

Postby teamalex » Wed Mar 02, 2016 2:20 pm

James has the reputation of doing this unbelievable stuff without thinking(e.g cc-ing me, vet claim in NFM 5), so he could be telling the truth.

It could be a gambit of sorts, as scum I could see him doing it to pull our resources onto him and play defensively. I need more time and information to see if this is true or not.

Right now, I'm going to assume James is the Vigilante and incredibly dumb. We need everyone on him to avoid a murder. I repeat, everyone.
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Re: 9B | Day One

Postby Elastoid » Wed Mar 02, 2016 2:21 pm

ItsmeCreature wrote:I won't even bother with James2. If he's scum, he'll be smashed by the PoE.

Since there's Witch, it's now everybody's problem.
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Re: 9B | Day One

Postby ItsmeCreature » Wed Mar 02, 2016 2:23 pm

Elastoid wrote:
ItsmeCreature wrote:I won't even bother with James2. If he's scum, he'll be smashed by the PoE.

Since there's Witch, it's now everybody's problem.

If there's an escort/marshal, the witch will be just wasting their time.
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