9B (SP) | Spilled Drink | Game Over (Town Wins)

[PersianRugs]

We let James shoot without a directed kills, we trust him to make the right read and not chose town based upon D1 discussions alone.

I think this is a horrible idea, no offense.

Indeed. There's a thing called bomber and we don't want to lose town.

[PersianRugs]

If an Escort exists, they should RB James.
If a Marshal exists, they should not visit James.
If a Lookout exists, they should use their own judgement.

How about just using this?

Also Persian, TheCow says "fuck you".

huh? Did cow just pmed you just to say that to me?

[CJBlack44]

We let James shoot without a directed kills, we trust him to make the right read and not chose town based upon D1 discussions alone.

I think this is a horrible idea, no offense.

Indeed. There's a thing called bomber and we don't want to lose town.

I personally think James shouldn't shoot ANYONE unless Bomber is dead OR we're in a pretty bad situation and Vigshoot is our only chance.

If we had a confirmed scum, I'd rather we just lynch him the next day instead of James shooting him and risk blowing us all up. UNLESS, of course, shooting said scum is the only thing that can save us.

I don't trust James's judgment to be honest, and with a Bomber in play Vig shots are the worst idea ever. Especially when Vig is so painfully obvious about his targets "hurr durr shooting confirmed scum Elastoid tomorrow night"

[TrueGent]

If an Escort exists, they should RB James.
If a Marshal exists, they should not visit James.
If a Lookout exists, they should use their own judgement.

How about just using this?

Also Persian, TheCow says "fuck you".

huh? Did cow just pmed you just to say that to me?

ye

[EvilDeanius0]

Well this has been a wonderful start.

Goodnight guys.

[Elastoid]

Let's be clear -- if there's Lookout, and we're not guaranteed there is one, he HAS to visit me the next two nights.

Whether James actually gets a shot off is irrelevant, I'm a damned good fuse target at this point, so a Bomber could easily try. If a Bomber gets a fuse on me and gets away with it, then any Lookout claim has to be seriously doubted.

That said, James is operating on the assumption that there is, FOR SURE, a Lookout. That's dumb as fuck, considering a Lookout should spawn less than half the time, right? Most games, if he announces me as a target and then shoots me, Bomber wins.

[Elastoid]

Aside from James's vigilantics, what makes you a good fuse target?

Aside from his racism, idiocy and ignorance, what makes Trump a poor Presidential candidate?

[CJBlack44]

Aside from James's vigilantics, what makes you a good fuse target?

Aside from his racism, idiocy and ignorance, what makes Trump a poor Presidential candidate?

[TrueGent]

Let's be clear -- if there's Lookout, and we're not guaranteed there is one, he HAS to visit me the next two nights.

Whether James actually gets a shot off is irrelevant, I'm a damned good fuse target at this point, so a Bomber could easily try. If a Bomber gets a fuse on me and gets away with it, then any Lookout claim has to be seriously doubted.

That said, James is operating on the assumption that there is, FOR SURE, a Lookout. That's dumb as fuck, considering a Lookout should spawn less than half the time, right? Most games, if he announces me as a target and then shoots me, Bomber wins.

what

[ItsmeCreature]

Protect me for a free win!!!!!!!!

[Elastoid]

Am I wrong? James has stated a plan to shoot me, we need to at least suggest a potential Lookout visit to potentially dissuade a Bomber and/or have a Lookout visit to catch a Bomber in the act.

The absolute worst-case scenario here, that a Bomber gets a fuse off and it's activated n2, is now clearly within the realm of possibility, and not just by bad luck (unless you call James joining your game bad luck). The way I brain it we need to do something to at least ward off that possibility. If I'm wrong feel free to show me how.

And yeah, Moonbird, I get where you're coming from, I'm just saying, you can make an argument for anything if you first fiat away the largest arguments against it. Why does a Bomber need a reason, besides the vigilantics, to choose me as a fuse target?

I'm looking through the list of names in this game and I've decided simple is better, rather than trying to hope that everyone picks up on subtlety and avoids WIFOM. Go through the list of names. What percentage of them would, as Bomber, NOT choose the obvious target?

[TrueGent]

Telling a lookout to watch you because James wants to shoot you is like nuking a cripple because they threatened you on the street

[Elastoid]

I'm not worried about James getting a shot off. I'm saying, whether or not the fuse gets lit, the Bomber may still visit me, and we'd then know their identity. No?

If, day 6, a fuse is lit, and someone comes forward and says "Night 1 this person visited Elastoid," then even if I'm still alive, is that not a solid lead? I'm saying, regardless of whether I'm shot, Bomber will often visit me tonight. Am I wrong?

[Varanus]

I'm not worried about James getting a shot off. I'm saying, whether or not the fuse gets lit, the Bomber may still visit me, and we'd then know their identity. No?

If, day 6, a fuse is lit, and someone comes forward and says "Night 1 this person visited Elastoid," then even if I'm still alive, is that not a solid lead? I'm saying, regardless of whether I'm shot, Bomber will often visit me tonight. Am I wrong?

Yes, you are wrong.

[TrueGent]

Elastoid, fuses only last for 2 nights.

[Elastoid]

Elastoid, fuses only last for 2 nights.

I know.

I'm saying, if you think the Bomber might visit me n1, then watching me would help you find the Bomber. Apparently this isn't valid logic, as both you and Varanus (more experienced) aren't on the same page, so whatevs. I withdraw the suggestion.

[Elastoid]

@elast Bomber can also visit james.....

Is James more likely to die a violent death at the hands of the mafia, to die of guilt, or to be lynched?

[CJBlack44]

I wouldn't want to waste a potential lookout on Elastoid, who will be visited by absolutely no one if we decide Lookout should be on him, when Lookout is such a powerful anti-scum role.

However, I'm thinking about just how much I'll hate myself and the rest of the town if Elastoid gets shot by James (or killed by Maf\NK) and fused

Convincing James that shooting is a bad idea isn't enough, not with a witch in play.

I doubt a Bomber would visit you N1 to be honest. But if you guys think it's best that Elastoid be watch by Lookout, ok. We need more people to share their opinions about this so we can reach a conclusion and maybe form some sort of night plan to avoid catastrophe.

I honestly doubt the Mafia\NK would kill James anytime soon. They are probably laughing their asses off right now. If you were scum, would you shoot the person who is most likely to ensure Town loses? I wouldn't.

In the end, I think TrueGent is right. I vote for the lookout to do as they think is best. What does everyone else think?

[ItsmeCreature]

Don't tell the lookout what to do, let the WIFOM happen.

[Elastoid]

In the end, I think TrueGent is right. I vote for the lookout to do as they think is best. What does everyone else think?

I ultimately agree, especially since now, since we've DISCUSSED a Lookout visiting me, a Bomber fusing me becomes a less valid play. Ultimately, the Bomber would have to be taking a bigger risk.

I should be using this time for scumreads, but I was distracted by an idiot jumping up and down demanding everyone's attention. Oh well -- better than RVS. I'll be looking over this later, still got to get ready for work.

[taylork2]

Yesss, Episode rolelist with mostly good players.
Now I need to carry the town with all of my detemmienation.
Spoiler: :D

[TrueGent]

@elast Bomber can also visit james.....

Is James more likely to die a violent death at the hands of the mafia, to die of guilt, or to be lynched?

mafia
he cant die of guilt and we arent lynching him
gg

Pedit: "Mostly good players" if massively overstating it Taylork

[James2]

James, you're assuming the existence of a Lookout, which is not confirmed, when Bomber and Witch ARE confirmed.

You're just determined to lose this game, aren't you?

I'm still waiting for your role claim.

Ok, now I'm just plain annoyed, really. James, wtf is the matter with you? Are you on drugs? How is Elastoid semi-confirmed scum because he was trying to save townies from your dumbass vet alerts in case you were a Vet??? If he were Mafia, couldn't he just say in Mafia chat "hey, this guy may be Vet, don't visit him"??? Are you even using your brain right now???

He was trying to save the witch, obviously.

And you should most definitely NOT shoot anyone unless town reaches consensus about it.

One of the perks of being a vigilante (or a jailor) is that you can kill scum that the town refuses to. I'm shooting Elastoid N2 unless he claims his role today.

@james whom would you like to shoot on N1 if witch&escort were not on you?

Elastoid obviously. But I can't shoot him until N2.

Aside from James's vigilantics, what makes you a good fuse target?

Aside from his racism, idiocy and ignorance, what makes Trump a poor Presidential candidate?

Those things are exactly what make Trump a great Presidential candidate.

@elast Bomber can also visit james.....

Is James more likely to die a violent death at the hands of the mafia, to die of guilt, or to be lynched?

On the offchance that you're a scummy town, rather than actual scum, I'll just be prevented from shooting again. Vigilantes don't die from guilt anymore.

[James2]

Again, for tonight:

Escort role block me
Marshal stay away
Lookout watch Elastoid

[TrueGent]

Never mind, we are lynching James tomorrow.