SFM15 | III | Game Over | Mafia Wins | Karma is a Bitch

[Alzar]

Yeah, that's why I'm feeling a scumread on her. Like, her play just feels sort of passive, since she doesn't seem to be actively trying to focus on players and instead either doing setup spec, talking about flavour, or overreacting about something or other.

[TheCow]

Uh huh.
How does your trading gimmick work?

We swap items. My item has the absolute lowest priority. The item's holder loses if they die because they're the ultimate weeb.

I traded items with Watt because he was my top scum. I was attempting to fake a post requirement because I figured it might seem like I still had my original item after swapping so this shit wouldn't happen.

[TheCow]

/unvote

[Alzar]

why didnt you immediately claim it then after watt said it

why did you dodge switching votes

what was the pattern you were referring to

what the heck

[Watt2015]

My item is "Schrödinger's Cat". Yes, my set is of Maple the Catgirl, since Maple is my character in DanganRonpa X.

There's no saving me now. I'm town, Maple is mine. I still think Watt is scum.

Interesting contradiction coming from a "Town".
All of your "restrictions" were a lie!

[SirCakez]

And does Watt's item do what he says it does?

Yeah, that's why I'm feeling a scumread on her. Like, her play just feels sort of passive, since she doesn't seem to be actively trying to focus on players and instead either doing setup spec, talking about flavour, or overreacting about something or other.

I agree with this. She's less aggressive then usual in terms of scumhunting as well, aside from the yelling and cursing in the big posts.

[Alzar]

She's also overreacting to my scumread on her, I feel like the yelling is just a scare tactic or something because it doesn't seem helpful.

[TheCow]

I was pretending to have a post requirment where I had to pretend to have a post requirement.

I can roleblock a subalignment. Prot, non-factional killing, invest, support, deception, or trading. Based on the sub-alignments available in Watt's item, that furthered my scum read -- not to mention the obvious reason I've brought up.

[Alzar]

ok

good night, dont expect me online for another 12 or so hours (maybe more)

[Killthestory]

Tbh I don't see Cow pulling this as scum just because of his retarded it is. Literally scum cow is much more calculated and try hard, but right now I'm just generally seeing Cow go along with silly shit just to do said silly shit.

I also don't think he would attack Watt for a mislynch after stealing his item ability. It wouldn't make sense from a tactical perspective, and I don't see it making sense from even a logical perspective. Could Cow be trying to mislynch a strong role? Definitely. However, I don't see that happening for him right now.

What I do definitely find strange though is how they both claimed the same exact item ability with different names. Watt claimed it first, so either he stole the ability from Cow, or Cow copied it off of him/took his item during the night.

I generally don't like how LoF also tries to incriminate me for pushing in him for being an idiot, and for also defending someone I had believed to be, and still do, as town.

@Mel, If my role weren't already revealed by now, I'd simply say you were fishing because of how fucking stupid that comment was. I really hope you realize this as it generally asked me, "What was your night ability that you used on him?"

Anyway, the fact you also call a lot of my shit fluff just coming into Day 2 looks like your grasping at straws, and your "pressure" doesn't faze me in the slightest as we both know just how flawed your argument is from an unbiased standpoint of the game.

Then you say my pressuring of LoF was unwarranted when frankly LoF acts like a VI in most of his games, and it isn't generally alignment indicative. The fact you ride my dick so hard about simply pressuring LoF really makes me wonder just how connected you two are, you defending LoF and pushing me while LoF also pushes me.

[Alzar]

k1ll reread the thread

cow was suspected of being scum because it was suspected that cow traded with watt's item

[Watt2015]

Tbh I don't see Cow pulling this as scum just because of his retarded it is. Literally scum cow is much more calculated and try hard, but right now I'm just generally seeing Cow go along with silly shit just to do said silly shit.

I also don't think he would attack Watt for a mislynch after stealing his item ability. It wouldn't make sense from a tactical perspective, and I don't see it making sense from even a logical perspective. Could Cow be trying to mislynch a strong role? Definitely. However, I don't see that happening for him right now.

What I do definitely find strange though is how they both claimed the same exact item ability with different names. Watt claimed it first, so either he stole the ability from Cow, or Cow copied it off of him/took his item during the night.

I generally don't like how LoF also tries to incriminate me for pushing in him for being an idiot, and for also defending someone I had believed to be, and still do, as town.

@Mel, If my role weren't already revealed by now, I'd simply say you were fishing because of how fucking stupid that comment was. I really hope you realize this as it generally asked me, "What was your night ability that you used on him?"

Anyway, the fact you also call a lot of my shit fluff just coming into Day 2 looks like your grasping at straws, and your "pressure" doesn't faze me in the slightest as we both know just how flawed your argument is from an unbiased standpoint of the game.

Then you say my pressuring of LoF was unwarranted when frankly LoF acts like a VI in most of his games, and it isn't generally alignment indicative. The fact you ride my dick so hard about simply pressuring LoF really makes me wonder just how connected you two are, you defending LoF and pushing me while LoF also pushes me.

We have already established Cow traded his item with mine. He now holds my original item, and I hold his, The item I got seems p scummy, as it can fuck with the town majorly.

[Killthestory]

I wouldn't say that Mel's aggressiveness is also entirely fake, but I also wouldn't say it wasn't certainly forced. Her general insults hold little actual weight or conceptual gain for town (I would know) and really only serve to dissuade any further arguments against her for the sake of dissuading them rather than actually defending herself with a logical response to questions and or reads.

She plays like how I would play as as scum by brushing off/insulting players who disagree with her and scumread her without providing any logical reasoning behind her arguments.

I also love her hypocrisy to where she proceeded to call my posts fluff when she's the one who has very little weight or presence behind the posts she makes, and it's rather intriguing she gets on me for doing the exact same thing she proceeds to do.

Also LoF's defense against me was essentially an OMGUS.

[Killthestory]

Oh shit I must have missed.

Ok so Watt are you certain that this could be a weapon in which scum would gain much with and lose little whereas as town it'd be useless or could it be useful as town?

Also, we haven't excused the possibility that you have an escort/consort type roll that's heavily buffed Watt.

[Watt2015]

Oh shit I must have missed.

Ok so Watt are you certain that this could be a weapon in which scum would gain much with and lose little whereas as town it'd be useless or could it be useful as town?

Also, we haven't excused the possibility that you have an escort/consort type roll that's heavily buffed Watt.

I find it devastating in the hands of scum, because the drawback is that their vote only counts if it's the first of the wagon.
Since it can rb an entire subalignment, yes it's pretty damn powerful in scum hands if they make it to late game.

[Killthestory]

Ok so reiterate Cow's item for me or just quote it.

So you started out with an item that can roleblock any sub alignment. Powerful in anyone's hands, of course.

[Watt2015]

Universal Remote: Support Alignment
Currently possessed by: Cow
Ability: Can RB any of the subalignments (once each per game), but the vote only counts if you're the first on the wagon.

Maple the Catgirl Figure: Trading Alignment
Currently possessed by: Watt
Ability: If you die holding this, you lose (and are named ultimate weeb), even if your alignment wins. You have lowest priority, and can trade your item off with others.

Seems like a scummy alignment, as it messes with the Town's items. Other's have the same belief.

[Killthestory]

I get NE vibes from that, but at the same time the first person who got it has a large chance to be group aligned. I also don't see that as any kind of mafia role. I seriously doubt NK, and that as a town role would confirm this is bastard.

You can deduce Cow is NE from that, but you can also deduce it from his behavior. Question is what type because thinking about it the play makes a lot more sense if he was some sort of NE.

[Watt2015]

I get NE vibes from that, but at the same time the first person who got it has a large chance to be group aligned. I also don't see that as any kind of mafia role. I seriously doubt NK, and that as a town role would confirm this is bastard.

You can deduce Cow is NE from that, but you can also deduce it from his behavior. Question is what type because thinking about it the play makes a lot more sense if he was some sort of NE.

Possibly, though are we certain Neutrals are in play? According to the OP, the 2 cards we got were
1. Item
2. Alignment

Our items are our roles essentially, at least that's my assumption from what I received.

[Killthestory]

His alignment could easily be neutral, and yes, we can assume neutrals are in play as the Saw Killer seems to have been a neutral killing who made separate kills from the presumed mafia.

Ok but seriously I'm not sure I fully trust the Vampire since that would essentially destroy whatever balance was in this game along with the item making absolutely no sense.

[Watt2015]

Right, but what Neutral would gain anything from pushing this lynch?

Looking at the facts, theres no NE, our Alignments are Town/Mafia/Neutral

The subalignment changes depending on the item in our possession.

A Mafia benefits more from this if you ask me.

[Killthestory]

How would a mafia benefit from kamikaze-ing a town role that's very powerful? That makes no sense to me tbh. If we're assuming this is at least somewhat balanced, we have

10v3v2 but that wouldn't account for the vampire if it's real. So 9v3v3? seeing as I'm not seeing 2 mafia in a game like this. However, that means that we could easily be in MyLo right now which generally wouldn't be balanced at all. I'd like to assume this game isn't completely bastard and actually has some sort of balance to it at least.

So, assuming these numbers, why would Cow kamikaze? I could see him doing it to make the MyLo happen, and then coordinating with the other evils, but why not simply let town mislynch for themselves honestly? It would have generally been safer, and he could have waited till' days end to kamikaze, giving him a much less risk for the same amount of reward.

If we're not in MyLo, then the kamikaze makes no sense as mafia whatsoever imo.

[Watt2015]

How would a mafia benefit from kamikaze-ing a town role that's very powerful? That makes no sense to me tbh. If we're assuming this is at least somewhat balanced, we have

10v3v2 but that wouldn't account for the vampire if it's real. So 9v3v3? seeing as I'm not seeing 2 mafia in a game like this. However, that means that we could easily be in MyLo right now which generally wouldn't be balanced at all. I'd like to assume this game isn't completely bastard and actually has some sort of balance to it at least.

So, assuming these numbers, why would Cow kamikaze? I could see him doing it to make the MyLo happen, and then coordinating with the other evils, but why not simply let town mislynch for themselves honestly? It would have generally been safer, and he could have waited till' days end to kamikaze, giving him a much less risk for the same amount of reward.

If we're not in MyLo, then the kamikaze makes no sense as mafia whatsoever imo.

Considering holding onto the item is risky (I mean, its an auto lose to die with it), no one would hold onto it.

[FMLSheWas12]

I fucking read Cow wrong again. Now that I'm thinking about it, this role reminds me of something, actually I think this is certainly Cow's role.

https://epicmafia.com/role/1682, I'm not too sure if it doesn't matter who dies with the doll. It's debatable that Cow had scum intentions on Day 1, but absolutely after N1 when he received Watt's item am I suspecting he has scum intentions. Why would a scum role want to roleblock a deception sub-alignment?

I'm suspecting Cow is NE, I'm pretty sure Watt is conf. town at the moment now. LoF is debatable, but since I believe Cow to be neutral, he's hesitant town.

[Killthestory]

yes but why push you after having traded off with it unless he fully believed you were scum or that he could accomplish something?