SFM15 | III | Game Over | Mafia Wins | Karma is a Bitch

[SirCakez]

LoF how has Me been townie at all?

[SirCakez]

LoF how has Mel been townie at all?

Fixed

[CJBlack44]

Okay, so I tried to do a vote count, I can't guarantee whether or not it's correct but technically it should be

VOTE COUNT:

Melanora (5) - K1llthestory, SirCakez, Rhazh, Alzar

TheCow (2) - LordofFail, Kmenx

No lynch (1) - Melanora

[Watt2015]

I am in no favor of a nolynch.

/vote Mel

[LordofFail]

LoF how has Me been townie at all?

I'm not saying mel has been super townie. I am saying that Cow has been scummier. Even if Cow is NE, NE is still a good PL over a potential mislynch.

All we know about mel is that they have a diaper bag. If they open it, they control it. Otherwise, it goes everywhere and who knows what that means.

[Watt2015]

LoF how has Me been townie at all?

I'm not saying mel has been super townie. I am saying that Cow has been scummier. Even if Cow is NE, NE is still a good PL over a potential mislynch.

All we know about mel is that they have a diaper bag. If they open it, they control it. Otherwise, it goes everywhere and who knows what that means.

That outcome would be shitty

[TheCow]

Intent to hammer.

[CJBlack44]

Okay, so I tried to do a vote count, I can't guarantee whether or not it's correct but technically it should be

VOTE COUNT:

Melanora (6) - K1llthestory, SirCakez, Rhazh, Alzar, Watt, [Cow or CJ]

TheCow (2) - LordofFail, Kmenx

No lynch (1) - Melanora

Cow intends to hammer and I can hammer as well if it's necessary. I am now convinced that Mel is the best lynch for today.

I definitely don't think nolynch is a good alternative, considering that information is what we need most right now. I don't know how Melanora's diaper bag comes into play, but I'm pretty sure she's unlikely to be town at this point. I had my doubts, up until the point where she actually said a nolynch would be a good idea. And for all we know, that diaper bag could be something else entirely and Mel could've been using it to distract town from their real purpose which is scumhunting, as well as use it as an excuse not to scumhunt herself.

2h and 40m left of today I think. I still haven't made sense of the letters and I don't think anyone else has. We're most likely missing the letters from Varanus and Neasans.

I would like to hear from 11th doctor before the day ends.

@Cow: I would still like to know why you consider LoF to be scum.

[Watt2015]

Cow cannot hammer with the item they possess

[TheCow]

He could still be Town, but as I explained earlier, he's been pinging me scum all game. It's a very simple read, which is why a TK would be preferable.

Right, forgot I have a vote restriction now.

[CJBlack44]

He could still be Town, but as I explained earlier, he's been pinging me scum all game. It's a very simple read, which is why a TK would be preferable.

Right, forgot I have a vote restriction now.

You have said that he has been pinging you as scum, yes. You have still not explained WHY.

Also, I can hammer if Cow can't. I will hammer in about 2hrs if that's ok and everyone agrees.

[Watt2015]

He could still be Town, but as I explained earlier, he's been pinging me scum all game. It's a very simple read, which is why a TK would be preferable.

Right, forgot I have a vote restriction now.

You have said that he has been pinging you as scum, yes. You have still not explained WHY.

Also, I can hammer if Cow can't. I will hammer in about 2hrs if that's ok and everyone agrees.

I have no objections to this.

[melanora]

Wow.

Lol can y'all wait long enough for me to update my last will because I have shit to say.

[Kmenx]

/unvote

CJ did you vote ?

I would prefer Cow over Mel like LoF though


We might be in a MYLO or LYLO even

[Killthestory]

CJ, you weren't here long enough, but 2014 FM there was a very passive and sheepy meta at the time in which no one pushed their agenda. Doctor is a 2014 player.

All these players have mostly not yet even adopted a more aggressive stance even in 2016, so scum reading someone town tells still makes little sense

[CJBlack44]

I didn't vote, it's too early, we still have almost 2hrs left of today. I put myself or Cow between [] as a sign that one of us intends to hammer. Since Cow can't do that, I will.

Mela, why don't you say what you want to say in the thread, rather than write it in your will? Explain why we should believe you are town.

Between Mel and Cow, I do believe Mel is scummier for suggesting a nolynch instead of scumhunting (and for not scumhunting period), among other things. I also feel like she's playing a bit like she played in NFM2 (where she was scum). I do believe Cow is scummy as well, but we can sort that out tomorrow. I would be fine with lynching either of them as I don't really believe any of them can turn out to be town, but Mel is my top scumread atm.

However, Mel, if you have any information that could help us sort this out, why not share it?

Kmenx, do you believe Mel is town? If so, why?

Otherwise, like I said, I will put my vote about half an hour before the day ends (just to be on the safe side, I don't know if I can be here at exactly 8.15), unless any revelations happen.

P-EDIT: @Kmenx (in regards to 2014 playstyle): ok, I've heard that before and I'm willing to accept it, BUT I still have a huge problem with it because it truly feels like an excuse for scum to fencesit and be sheepy\inactive. Like I stated before, I'm totally fine with someone not being aggressive - I am not an aggressive player myself, AT ALL. However, there's a difference between not being aggressive and fencesitting, refusing to discuss anything game related, etc. How am I for example even supposed to make a read on 11th, when he's not saying anything relevant? How do YOU make a read on him? Based on what? The fact that townies were passive in 2014? And what, scum were aggressive? What is scum-indicative for 2014 players then? Help me make an informed read here. Even an example of a game that I can read would help.

I am not asking 11th to be aggressive, I am asking him to offer his thoughts on the situation at hand.

[Killthestory]

Did you just call me Kmenx?

Are you ready for the shitstorm that is going to drown you?

[CJBlack44]

P-EDIT: @K1ll (in regards to 2014 playstyle): ok, I've heard that before and I'm willing to accept it, BUT I still have a huge problem with it because it truly feels like an excuse for scum to fencesit and be sheepy\inactive. Like I stated before, I'm totally fine with someone not being aggressive - I am not an aggressive player myself, AT ALL. However, there's a difference between not being aggressive and fencesitting, refusing to discuss anything game related, etc. How am I for example even supposed to make a read on 11th, when he's not saying anything relevant? How do YOU make a read on him? Based on what? The fact that townies were passive in 2014? And what, scum were aggressive? What is scum-indicative for 2014 players then? Help me make an informed read here. Even an example of a game that I can read would help.

I am not asking 11th to be aggressive, I am asking him to offer his thoughts on the situation at hand.

The last bit was directed at K1ll, not Kmenx, sorry. Fixed

[SirCakez]

I agree with CJ on the 2014 players. It feels like an excuse.

[CJBlack44]

Did you just call me Kmenx?

Are you ready for the shitstorm that is going to drown you?

LMAO I was addressing him before that and I got confused =))) I would still like an answer though.

Come to think of it now, Kmenx wasn't even around in 2014, LOL

[Killthestory]

Anyways, being serious the fact is that I've been pressuring 11th to push their town agenda, but they've been using consistent signs of AtE and sheeping. Normally, I'd call that scummy, but to me Doctor actually seems to be genuine about being so bad. (no offense

If you've ever seen their posts around the forum you'd know that they normally are a very passive and just in general not . If she were to be aggressive, then I'd have a problem since that's not her personality nor how she plays. We forget FM is mainly just talking, and Doctor seems to be talking to us genuinely and doesn't have anything to hide.

That's not saying not to pressure her or get her to contrinute because, quite frankly, I'm annoyed that she's being pretty useless right now.

[melanora]

My priorities were different from y'all, in that I wanted to stop my item before it hurt anyone, and y'all are scared this is 7R or some shit.

My last will basically says told you guys I was town.

I've already said why not to lynch me, especially before I stop my item. I warned you guys day one about it, but no, you think I'm making it up.

We have two hours left and I'm mobile. I still say no lynch. All of this is town vs town vs town.

[Killthestory]

So you think Cow is town?

[melanora]

So you think Cow is town?

Either that or jester.
No fucking way is he mafia.
He isn't that stupid.

[Killthestory]

Exe aligns more with his actions.

You're willing not to prevent possible MyLo a little longer and instead no lynch?