SFM15 | III | Game Over | Mafia Wins | Karma is a Bitch

[SirCakez]

Maybe he was going for the big plays like he sometimes does idk.

[Alzar]

cow's "big plays" win him games

or at least they're intended to

[LordofFail]

look

Cow scumread Watt right at the start of the day. I theorize that this is because Cow wanted to have a scumread bandwagon on Watt so that when he inevitably claims, Cow can cast doubt upon the claim and on the swap mechanic, enabling him to say that he is using the swap thing to give him towncred (why would mafia swap with another mafia? clearly swapping is a mafia ability so whoever gets the swap cant be mafia (only applies for n1 swap)

[Alzar]

wait, doesn't your theory hinge on watt being scum

lof, do you believe watt is scum?

[CJBlack44]

cow's "big plays" win him games

or at least they're intended to

Not really lol. I played against scum Cow 3 different times: once in SFM9 where, ok, he wasn't lynched very early (was still lynched on the last day though), but I figured out he was witch pretty early - like, the day after I replaced in I think (no one listened to me though because I was a noob lel), a second time in NFM1 where he got lynched day 2 and a third time in 8F, where he got lynched day 2. So it's not really unlike him to pull off stuff like this. To me it feels that (no offense Cow) he starts out with a plan (as scum) that may initially seem like a good plan, but everything just sort of backfires on him.

What unsettles me is that usually we had more information revealing Cow as 90%-100% scum. I feel that we have too little information now, and this day shortage has fucked everything up.

It doesn't help that I see Cow reading the thread and still not responding to my question >.>

[Kmenx]

And Who do you think the day shortening ability belongs ?

Mafia
NE
Vampires (Invenio pls ur not Iggy)
or NK

I think it belongs to a NE It would be too op for a mafia or Vampires and NK with it seems bit useless

[SirCakez]

Cow is obvscum. He's doing his floundering thing when he gets caught as scum.

[The11thdoctor]

Well f****ng hell, 24 hours left (less now obviously) im agreeing with whoever said coe SEEMS the most scummy, not nescessarily meaning they are, watt i kinda see where he was coming from today and i believe he could be town, back to cow, i believe cow could be NE they are probably the most likely class to benefit from the catdoll item.

[Killthestory]

doctor I realize your a 2014 player, but can you actually pressure somebody and make genuine scumreads at the very least instead of sheeping others?

[The11thdoctor]

doctor I realize your a 2014 player, but can you actually pressure somebody and make genuine scumreads at the very least instead of sheeping others?

<.< most of what i can say has already been said, so i guess ill just shut up unless i can be productive. Since apparently in no way can i be.

[Killthestory]

you can be productive by pressuring different people who you genuinely find scummy or just adding more reason as to why you find a person who's been called scummy by others with well thought out theory and logic.

[SirCakez]

Not doing anything and sheeping is scummy (._. )

[CJBlack44]

And Who do you think the day shortening ability belongs ?

Mafia
NE
Vampires (Invenio pls ur not Iggy)
or NK

I think it belongs to a NE It would be too op for a mafia or Vampires and NK with it seems bit useless

Obviously it was scum who shortened the day, but that scum was most definitely not Cow, and that's what worries me. It means there is scum out there who wants Cow dead. Which is exactly what I don't like about this entire situation.

[Killthestory]

Not doing anything and sheeping is scummy (._. )

tbh that's how 2014 players play tho.

I mean you saw Sarah in 8F, and then there's other ongoing games COGUH COGUH

[SirCakez]

Doesn't mean he should just get a free pass from doing anything

[Killthestory]

Doesn't mean he should just get a free pass from doing anything

yes but if youre going to scumread a 2014 player for something they all do then your basically scumreading them for towntells based off meta

[Kmenx]

And Who do you think the day shortening ability belongs ?

Mafia
NE
Vampires (Invenio pls ur not Iggy)
or NK

I think it belongs to a NE It would be too op for a mafia or Vampires and NK with it seems bit useless

Obviously it was scum who shortened the day, but that scum was most definitely not Cow, and that's what worries me. It means there is scum out there who wants Cow dead. Which is exactly what I don't like about this entire situation.

Or cow shortened the day because he loves creating chaos if he gets caught as scum

[Alzar]

doctor I realize your a 2014 player, but can you actually pressure somebody and make genuine scumreads at the very least instead of sheeping others?

<.< most of what i can say has already been said, so i guess ill just shut up unless i can be productive. Since apparently in no way can i be.

Okay, let's say these are the main things people are saying.
"The sky is green."
"The sky is red."
"You fools, there is no sky."

When you say "whatever I want to say has already been said". you're not explaining which viewpoint you agree with. Like, what do you agree with? In a game with this many people, there's no way the only thing they've all said is every one of your exact thoughts and the exact reasoning behind them.

So, if you think everyone's said what you think, which things are those and why? From your perspective, what makes those opinions correct?

[SirCakez]

Doesn't mean he should just get a free pass from doing anything

yes but if youre going to scumread a 2014 player for something they all do then your basically scumreading them for towntells based off meta

Last time I townread a 2014 player for not doing anything, they were scum (toon in CFM 13). It's a null tell if anything.

[Alzar]

And Who do you think the day shortening ability belongs ?

Mafia
NE
Vampires (Invenio pls ur not Iggy)
or NK

I think it belongs to a NE It would be too op for a mafia or Vampires and NK with it seems bit useless

Obviously it was scum who shortened the day, but that scum was most definitely not Cow, and that's what worries me. It means there is scum out there who wants Cow dead. Which is exactly what I don't like about this entire situation.

I mean, not necessarily. We were going to start branching off to other reads after Cow is now basically universally scumread, right? I can see the reasoning as the same reasoning behind when scum self-hammer to end the day early before there can be any further discussion.

[Killthestory]

Doesn't mean he should just get a free pass from doing anything

yes but if youre going to scumread a 2014 player for something they all do then your basically scumreading them for towntells based off meta

Last time I townread a 2014 player for not doing anything, they were scum (toon in CFM 13). It's a null tell if anything.

Toon is actually a good 2014 player whereas Doctor isn't. Think of Downie when you think of Doctor, essentially.

[Killthestory]

I'm actually thinking said shortening day upgrade is actually an item, and Cow has Watt's item. This means Cow can't be the scum who shortened the day.

[CJBlack44]

And Who do you think the day shortening ability belongs ?

Mafia
NE
Vampires (Invenio pls ur not Iggy)
or NK

I think it belongs to a NE It would be too op for a mafia or Vampires and NK with it seems bit useless

Obviously it was scum who shortened the day, but that scum was most definitely not Cow, and that's what worries me. It means there is scum out there who wants Cow dead. Which is exactly what I don't like about this entire situation.

Or cow shortened the day because he loves creating chaos if he gets caught as scum

I find this very unlikely. First of all, Cow is barely a few votes away from getting lynched. If he had more time, he could maybe try to get out of the hole. By shortening the day, whoever did it basically makes Cow today's definitive lynch (true, this was most likely what was going to happen anyway, but you can't know what may happen)

Second of all, even if you assume that he wanted to create chaos, or that this is the equivalent of a selfhammer (like Alzar said), you are forgetting that we already know which item Cow possesses. I highly doubt that this day-shortening ability could come from a role, rather than an item.

[LordofFail]

wait, doesn't your theory hinge on watt being scum

lof, do you believe watt is scum?

No. I think Watt is Town, which would make Cow scum.

I do not think Watt and Cow are the same alignment.

[Alzar]

might not be exactly cow. heck, it can be any scum role

d2 is probably expected to be one of the most productive days since there are still a lot of alive people, night results to work off of, and no end to discussion material. even if it wasn't cow being lynched, i can see scum doing this anyway just because there are so many future benefits for this