[Newcomer FM] NFM7 | Game Over (Town Wins)

[ladd]

One last note, Evil argument D7 was bad, but it was probably the best one of the day, that's how bad the others were.

[EvilDeanius0]

I think the quick-hammers were more because of everyone's inactivity. Lucent, Retral and HereToPlay were never going to give much of an arguement, Mroz was confirmed scum, I knew Cyantic was confirmed scum. I didn't see the point of waiting when we knew who the lynch targets had to be.

Mroz if you hadn't claimed spy and just gone with the Cit claim you might have won. I honestly town read you up until that point.

[Mroz4k]

I think the quick-hammers were more because of everyone's inactivity. Lucent, Retral and HereToPlay were never going to give much of an arguement, Mroz was confirmed scum, I knew Cyantic was confirmed scum. I didn't see the point of waiting when we knew who the lynch targets had to be.

Mroz if you hadn't claimed spy and just gone with the Cit claim you might have won. I honestly town read you up until that point.

If I didnt, cy would have gotten lynched. Without the Witch, we d succumb to Sheriff and Escort for sure. Read the Mafia chat before you make any assumptions.

The whole purpose of that claim was to misslynch chubby or retral, then get myself lynched before Cyantic. Had that happen, it was only a matter of misslynching a Cit. Tbh that plan assumed you are TK so it might have missfired if we d try to kill batman... guess we wont know how that would end.

Regardless there was a plan to my claim, which wasnt then followed, rendering my sacrifice useless. Have to say, evil, if we are going purely readwise in your deciskon to lynch eliah over lucent was a bad call. Eliahs ISO right up till the end was pure townread.

[Mroz4k]

He played agressive Citizen.

Also, considering your argument about quickhammers...

They are still bad. NFM has very long days cause of the usual newcomers not posting much. Quickammerinng so early on is even more so foolish. Had you not quickhammered, you could have revealed scum earlier... By reading interaction of others towards the conf scum..

Too many ppl played this like TOS. Its a miracle you guys won. It was all luck... Except for batman who trully did great job as Town... He was the only person we couldnt read. Thanks to how you all played, we were able to tell who is wat role by the end of Night two. Thats a sign of poor play on Towns part.

Also Cy, your scumread on me was purely based on my IC shit. Or maybe because you noticed my interactions were scum sided. Its not surprising they didnt notice because noone actualy read my content closely.

Cow deserved misslynch, for playing like a pro in a game for noobs. Get rekt.

[Arcthurus]

Alright there seems to be some confusion regarding Disguiser.

If a Disguiser targets two different players - the spy sees both visits.
If a Disguiser targets themselves as well as a second player - the second player's target is seen as the visit.

[ladd]

Alright, thanks for clearing that up.

[Arcthurus]

Added player-by-player review (minus ICs), and a TL;DR at the end.

[ryanyb]

My salt will be coming shortly.

[ryanyb]

And on a side note, I called out Eliah, Cyantic, and Mroz on being scum before I died and no one used it for anything.

[becauseimbatman]

And nobody listened to my Cy case.

*salt*

[TrueGent]

I like how the mafia killed me cus I was an IC, even tho I was an easy ML

[Mroz4k]

I like how the mafia killed me cus I was an IC, even tho I was an easy ML

I had you killed because of the potential. You didnt do much but at the time, I considered it possible youd be Town Killing or something equally powerfull.

And nobody listened to my Cy case.

*salt*

I did. Thats why I opposed it with all I got. Keeping Witch alive even at cost of my life was my goal, cause we figured out there is a Vet ingame.

And on a side note, I called out Eliah, Cyantic, and Mroz on being scum before I died and no one used it for anything.

Yet you considered my claims townish.

Just like majority of the town in this game, your claims were purely intuition. You happened to be right but it was still very likely you would be wrong. Nothing bad wit gut reads, but they are not exactly best evidence to push accusations on.

On the contrary am mad I didnt just go the safer route and claimed Cit with a risk of loosing Witch earlier, blocking the sheriff and have my Blackmailer pal kill the Escort.

[TheCow]

all of my reads were right but no one listened to me f

[LucentDancer33]

Honestly, I find it hard to keep focus on one specific thing for a whole month. Not that I will completely drop out, but I tend to start being a bit less active. There are times when I constantly look over/post in when I have something to say in the game, and times that I feel like not checking as much/have less to say.

[Mroz4k]

all of my reads were right but no one listened to me f

Cause you made it easy to get you misslynched

Maybe shouldnt try to lie to people, especially in a Newcomers game. You getting misslynched was the best example of IC work you did in this game - you showed them by example how not to play Town, because of how easy is to misslynch a person behaving this way

Get rekt again

[ryanyb]

I heavily regret lynching Cow.
ALSO HOLY SALT ON MY REVIEW LOL. It wasn't entirely statistically based, however, I didn't have the experience to articulate why.

[TheCow]

all of my reads were right but no one listened to me f

Cause you made it easy to get you misslynched

Maybe shouldnt try to lie to people, especially in a Newcomers game. You getting misslynched was the best example of IC work you did in this game - you showed them by example how not to play Town, because of how easy is to misslynch a person behaving this way

Get rekt again

you got confirmed as scum and lost, how am I getting rekt

[Mroz4k]

all of my reads were right but no one listened to me f

Cause you made it easy to get you misslynched

Maybe shouldnt try to lie to people, especially in a Newcomers game. You getting misslynched was the best example of IC work you did in this game - you showed them by example how not to play Town, because of how easy is to misslynch a person behaving this way

Get rekt again

you got confirmed as scum and lost, how am I getting rekt

You got confirmed as scum when you were TI and got misslynched, so ye, you got rekt.

I actually didnt get confirmed as scum. I did lose but not by my own fault.

Why do people imply I screwed up? I didnt. I did exactly what I intended to do - i knew that the moment I get a misslynch, I will be getting lynched afterwards. I failed in my secondary mission, I wanted to get lynched before Cyantic, so there would be only one Mafia left and they would have wanted to lynch Mafia rather then Witch, I wanted Cyantic to win with us.

Heck, we were so close to winning I am not even mad - had the roles been reversed, I´d have won for sure, because I wouldnt ditch the discussions on Day 7, I would have gotten Lucent misslynched.

I claimed Spy with intend to get a misslynch going, potentionally winning by having Witch run someone into Veteran... if not, I was supposed to get lynched in order to win us the game. Sadly the last part didnt happen.

Please check Mafia chat before jumping to conclusions

[TheCow]

planning to fail is like saying my plan in sfm14 was anything but bad, what

[Mroz4k]

planning to fail is like saying my plan in sfm14 was anything but bad, what

I didnt fail?

I succeded in what my plan was.

I made a misslynch happen.

I failed the secondary objective - keeping Cyantic alive before I die myself. Not like it made much of difference. I would have gotten lynched myself anyways for siding up with Cyantic for the whole game.

Another goal was to get myself lynched which was supposed to clear Eliah of suspicion even more, and further incriminate lucent. However, Evil badly interpreted that, and Eliah made a huge mistake because he didnt push on all the aspects he should have and didnt make a strong case against Lucent.

In either cases we both did our jobs, at least. You cant really take a credit for your reads, since your play made us all that much more trustworthy, even if we misslynched you. It might be better to not play Cowgod in a game with newbies, since thats exactly how Town shouldnt play, its just your meta.

I pretty much gotten away with my misslynch on you because you were setting a bad example for the newcomers. (its also funny not a single person wanted to lynch me for being a deceiving sack of shit - I pointed out several times to keep in mind Newcomers are in the game, but then I ended up using that as an argument way too many times...

Thats also another tip from me, when scum-hunting: Look for people who claim one thing that they themselves end up breaking. Thats a pretty strong scum give-away.