Episode VIII | Game Over (The One with the Ending)

[Akame]

As I told previously I'm more comfortable with possible scum lynch than phantom lynch. And why Sam? I just want to lynch someone and as matter of fact single vote against every suspicious player won't lynch anyone. I have to vote Sam.
/unvote
/vote Sam

@Met Lynching me is a bad idea. First the lynch is going to be at the end of the day and we don't have much time till then. Scum would want to have a rushed lynch now and second I don't want to hardclaim just yet.

[Invenio]

I'd rather we not go through another hardclaim either. Sam's by far the scummiest player we've almost lynched.

[Nellyfox]

Hardclaiming isn't a defense, remember this.
Also, when we look at it, I'd rather lynch a citizen claimer over a power role claimer when we're in conditions like this.

[VonAntarctic]

I totally agree.

/vote Samuel

I'm not changing that vote.

[Metrion]

You haven't answered why lynching you personally is a bad idea. You just basically described it in a generic way that applies to just about everyone.

Would you define Downie or Sam as a rushed lynch?



@Von: So in that case, what do you think of the most recent wagon on Melanora?


@Nelly: mean if Sam claimed Jailor then what would you do? Hardclaiming is a defense, just one that changes with the context of the game, it can be a terrible idea or a lynchpin of your defense. I think hardclaiming is a subject that most people don't seem to know how to handle. Your better off trying to defend yourself but it's still a very primitive form of defense and I think that's why it's used too early.

[Invenio]

I still think von's sheeping my every move.
He voted mel right after me, then voted sam right after me.

[Nellyfox]

If Sam claimed jailor I probably would be pissed and maybe have given up. Can't say for sure since we're not in that situation, though I've already been through this before.

I'd ask him to say Hans' defense too, without any claim or signals of course, to prove him.

[Arcthurus]

Current Vote Count

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[Metrion]

If Sam claimed jailor I probably would be pissed and maybe have given up. Can't say for sure since we're not in that situation, though I've already been through this before.

I'd ask him to say Hans' defense too, without any claim or signals of course, to prove him.

Point is, you wouldn't lynch him. Meaning the hard claim defended him.

Claiming Citizen though is hardly comparable though, it's just something I wanted to address.

[Nellyfox]

I mean, sure, you're not wrong. When I say it's not a defense I mean you can't just always hard claim and nothing else. You get me ?

[Arcthurus]

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[Zero]

according to the forums he posted at 5:15 today.

[Loominaty]

Yo can we get a defense without claim? We don't need any more info laid out.

Can you clarify this? This by all accords is a rushed lynched. I initially got the feeling like you want this to go down with less resistance, smooth and easy.

But I think you mean you'd rather Downie claim if it looks like he's in critical danger and nothing less, meaning he's already failed at defense. Which is also my stance, I think we have a lot of buzzards here, just swooping from person to person and I absolutely am disappointed in the fact that we have this much role information as we do because people are about as sturdy as a deck of cards.

Yes I'm saying that he should only claim as a last resort if anything else fails and not go Zero-mode and just vomit everything out he has, instead of even trying.

Lynching mel is bad, scum will avoid voting and we are just wasting a lynch.
We are letting Spretz slip through, while he's done nothing but avoided talking at all after beeing accused.
The Sam lynch doesn't feel well.
You can say he's scummy all you want, and you're right, but that scummyness is often inherent to a player.
Either way Sam is a scummy scum or a scummy cit, I think his behaviour is not indicative of a role, but more of a reaction to the partly unjustified pressure he got from various persons.

I want to lynch spretz, but I fear he just won't show up again before day ends.

[VonAntarctic]

I still think von's sheeping my every move.
He voted mel right after me, then voted sam right after me.

Hah.
Keep thinking what you do. I'm not sheeping you, I am only agreeing with the current opinions. Not to mention I haven't instantly voted for Sam, I was actually thinking about voting spretz but I found relation with Nelly's argument. Plus, I voted melanora first, not you.

@Von: So in that case, what do you think of the most recent wagon on Melanora?

My guess is that Salense didn't think that we would be ever able to agree on something, as it comes from the post itself. Or he wanted to make us lynch melanora, and yeah, that would imply he's scum.
Needless to say I thought so too. At that point not many were online, and all pointed to us staying split forever.
Sam jumping on the lynch than obviously meant he was rushing to attempt a hammer, wich means escaping his death. Than I noticed my mistake and why I don't want to lynch melanora.

[Invenio]

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first, huh? k.

[VonAntarctic]

Did I just really thought Akame's post was yours?

Goddamnit. Fine, but I'm still not sheeping on you. I can and will fight you on that.

[Moleland]

I really think lynching Sam might be a mistake. However, his poor defence frustrated me greatly.

[Salense]

/unvote
/vote Samuel

I voted for Mel mainly because we were all flip-flopping on the lynch and splitting votes between everyone(pretty much everyone was saying that they wanted to lynch a different person), I just thought this day was going to end in a no-lynch due to all of that.

Well, at least the one good thing about the voting on Mel was that it caused our sheep voters to come out(Akume and Samuel) and it united us on a lynch against a scummy person. Though I'm still sightly afraid we won't have enough people to come online to vote before day ends.

[datdownie]

Well I cannot decide who to lynch. But if I want to stick with the risky maneuvers, I'm gonna stick a vote for Sam.

/vote Sam

Then again, I can't explain why I'm voting for him.

@Nelly Something Loom claimed was a bit off, but I guess we'll go with that...

[Moleland]

/vote samuel

Sorry if you are a cit, but you need to play differently.

[Zero]

so are we lynching Sam? is that the final vote?

[Nellyfox]

Looks like it.

We have...I think ~3 hours left, by the way,

[Zero]

/vote sam

[Loominaty]

[Moleland]

By my count we have 8 votes on Sam