SFM 4: Guzames Farewell game [Game Over] Town wins!

[ADorkOfPork]

I slept peacefully.

It seems strange the mafia killed somebody jesterish.
Aqua could have been on their side, unless they knew something beforehand.

I think the consigliere found the second neutral evil N1.

So you're implying you think Coolway isn't the consigliere?

Your second possibility is interesting. The only way mafia could know for a fact is if consig visited them on N2, meaning that Coolway cannot be the consig as they visited pretzel. So, this either means that both Guzame and Coolway is investigator or Guzame is lying.

You mean N1? Because N2 would be impossible.

Yes I meant N1. But either way, you get the idea.

[pretzellover33]

I slept peacefully.

It seems strange the mafia killed somebody jesterish.
Aqua could have been on their side, unless they knew something beforehand.

I think the consigliere found the second neutral evil N1.

So you're implying you think Coolway isn't the consigliere?

Your second possibility is interesting. The only way mafia could know for a fact is if consig visited them on N2, meaning that Coolway cannot be the consig as they visited pretzel. So, this either means that both Guzame and Coolway is investigator or Guzame is lying.

You mean N1? Because N2 would be impossible.

I'm trying to be fair I guess

[Salense]

As for a start to today's discussion, what is everybody's opinion on last night's mafia kill?

Aqua's kill is somewhat odd considering that he was acting fairly jesterish in this game, it's possible that the mafia already knew the other NE, or they just decided to target Aqua to knock us off balance with someone we wouldn't expect to have been killed. Hopefully once we find out who the other transport target was, the investigators can shed some light on the situation.

[Arcthurus]

Just need Cway and Sturps now.
If one of those two doesn't say they are transported, TPer might have ported themselves and won't say.

OR they attacked Zero who was transported with aqua.

[Guzame]

I slept peacefully.

It seems strange the mafia killed somebody jesterish.
Aqua could have been on their side, unless they knew something beforehand.

I think the consigliere found the second neutral evil N1.

Even if the mafia does know both NE players, this is still an odd night kill. Aqua's jesterish playstyle confuses the town,takes attention away from other (possible mafia) players and may even get him lynched because of his actions. In short, it's the kind of player the mafia wants to keep around.

It's possible that Aqua was targeted because he was unlikely to be protected by the transporter, or perhaps Zero was transported with Aqua. The second possibility is unlikely to me, because Zero is also an unlikely mafia target to me.

[ADorkOfPork]

Just need Cway and Sturps now.
If one of those two doesn't say they are transported, TPer might have ported themselves and won't say.

OR they attacked Zero who was transported with aqua.

Actually, given the circumstances, this is a likely scenario.

[Salense]

OR they attacked Zero who was transported with aqua.

Actually, given the circumstances, this is a likely scenario.

I really don't think that is the case, since Zero seems like an even unlikelier target than Aqua due to his inactivity.

It's possible that Aqua was targeted because he was unlikely to be protected by the transporter

^this is probably the most likely case, but it still is an odd kill none the less.

[PiePerson]

The reason Aqua died was because he tried to control the spice
and as we all know
he who controls the spice
CONTROLS THE UNIVERSE!

that is one thought
but what if they wanted us to think coolway is the mafia since aqua wanted to lynch coolway and guzame is mafia
or maybe thats what the mafia wants us to think and coolway is mafia and guzame is investigator!
or maybe SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT HAPPENED!

[Zero]

I think I was attacked. If no one else was transported. Or like someone said they the transporter is switched me with him and is keep quite. I could have made myself a target when I said we will lynch the Jester only once town has the votes to kill the mafia.

[Arcthurus]

OR they attacked Zero who was transported with aqua.

Actually, given the circumstances, this is a likely scenario.

I really don't think that is the case, since Zero seems like an even unlikelier target than Aqua due to his inactivity.

It's possible that Aqua was targeted because he was unlikely to be protected by the transporter

^this is probably the most likely case, but it still is an odd kill none the less.

Contradicting. They could have targeted Zero with that same thought process.
I'm not saying that's what I believe that happened (that they targeted zero), just saying if that was the case it isn't more unlikely than aqua.

[Zero]

I think they did target me. OR that might just be my Paranoia. I feel like the whole Mafia are after me. But you know somehow that almost works out. IF I was transported with Aqua than I can not be mafia UNLESS transporter is trying to make mafia kill them selves. Either way you look at it I think I was targeted by the mafia and the transporter saved my life. For that I think you transporter who ever you are. You have made a friend for this game.

[Arcthurus]

I think they did target me. OR that might just be my Paranoia. I feel like the whole Mafia are after me. But you know somehow that almost works out. IF I was transported with Aqua than I can not be mafia UNLESS transporter is trying to make mafia kill them selves. Either way you look at it I think I was targeted by the mafia and the transporter saved my life. For that I think you transporter who ever you are. You have made a friend for this game.

hey hey hey. Calm your horse. We still have to hear from 2 more players.

[Sturps]

I slept peacefully.

I think they did target me. OR that might just be my Paranoia. I feel like the whole Mafia are after me. But you know somehow that almost works out. IF I was transported with Aqua than I can not be mafia UNLESS transporter is trying to make mafia kill them selves. Either way you look at it I think I was targeted by the mafia and the transporter saved my life. For that I think you transporter who ever you are. You have made a friend for this game.

Mafia Killings cannot target their own members.

As for a start to today's discussion, what is everybody's opinion on last night's mafia kill?

I found it really odd. Aqua was being fairly active (although his actions were questionable at times) and it doesn't make sense that they'd kill him, unless they're trying to frame someone, in which case it would be Gary or Cow. Since I'm the last one to report in and only one person was transported (again), either the Transporter transported themselves with Zero (and at this point, what are you even doing), or the Transporter swapped Zero with Aqua, although why the Mafia would target an inactive player is beyond me. Part of the night plan yesterday for the Transporter was to swap someone of his/her with someone they think is Mafia, so did they think Aqua was Mafia due to his behaviour? I suppose we won't know for now.

[pretzellover33]

Mafia Killings cannot target their own members.

Pretty sure they can as long as it's not meant to be gamethrowing.

[Sturps]

Mafia Killings cannot target their own members.

Pretty sure they can as long as it's not meant to be gamethrowing.

I'm pretty sure the only exception is when its a 1v1 versus a Transporter, which is what 2D almost turned out to be.
Mafia Support/Deception can target their own members, but not Killing. To my knowledge, anyway.

[Guzame]

"-You can use your night abilities on anybody except for yourself. This means that mafia players can target players on your own team. Be careful not to use this rule for gamethrowing purposes. There are times where using your own team is useful though.
The only exception to this is roles that state on their role card who you can or can't target."

Mafia should be able to target other mafia members according to this. Including with their night kill.

On that note, I don't believe that the transporter transported Zero and Aqua. Neither of them have appeared exceptionally pro-town, so I doubt the transporter would choose them as his/her choice to protect. It seems more likely to me that the transporter protected him/herself by switching places with Zero.

Also, while we (annoyingly) only have one person claiming to be transported again, at least it was somebody else this time. I think we can call the transporter a confirmed role in this game now?

[ObiWan]

Gary29 will be replaced by IAmAMunchlax.

Note: This is the same person - Munch just wants to use his main now. I don't see a huge deal with this.

Carry on.

[Sturps]

Well, our only basis for discussion today are the Investigation results, the possible Transported people, and the implications of why Mafia killed Aqua/targetted who he was transported with, if he was.

Other than that, we'll just be repeating Day 2.
Since everyone has said what happened to them, I think its time to reveal said results to drive away the crickets.

[Guzame]

Well alright, I'll start.

I investigated somebody who was pretty suspicious to me, but my result was Citizen. Since this person did not claim to be transported, I now know one confirmed innocent town player.
I'd rather not yet reveal who this person was, because that will only make it easier for the mafia to find the power roles.
If a majority of the town feels I should say who it was, I will gladly reveal it.

CW, what did you find?

[Sturps]

I really don't think you should reveal a Citizen unless they are about to be mislynched.
Since there's likely a Consigliere, it will just narrow down who the night action roles are.

[Sturps]

1. Guzame - "Nothing happened to me last night."
2. arcthurus - "Oh yeah, I slept peacefully."
3. Tsukune- "Slept Peacefully"
4. Zero - "I was transported last night."
6. PiePerson - "nuting happened to me last night"
8. Gary29 - "I slept peacefully"
9. milte345 - "Anyways, I slept peacfully."
10. Salense - "Nothing happened to me last night."
11. ADorkOfPork - "I slept peacefully."
12. Arckas - "Peacefully~"
13. Coolway99 - "I slept peacefully"
14. Sturps - "I slept peacefully."
15. pretzellover33 - "I slept peacefully."

[Tsukune]

Well alright, I'll start.

I investigated somebody who was pretty suspicious to me, but my result was Citizen. Since this person did not claim to be transported, I now know one confirmed innocent town player.
I'd rather not yet reveal who this person was, because that will only make it easier for the mafia to find the power roles.
If a majority of the town feels I should say who it was, I will gladly reveal it.

CW, what did you find?

It was me right

[pretzellover33]

/vote PiePerson

Explanation posted yesterday.
Only voting cause I might be inactive for the weekend.

[Sturps]

/vote PiePerson

Explanation posted yesterday.
Only voting cause I might be inactive for the weekend.

If you weren't a claimed Jester I would be judging you so hard right now for jumping to the vote so quick.
But then again, if Coolway is truly an Invest and you showed up Jester/Exe, you could be fakeclaiming Jester to get away with lynching your target.

[pretzellover33]

/vote PiePerson

Explanation posted yesterday.
Only voting cause I might be inactive for the weekend.

If you weren't a claimed Jester I would be judging you so hard right now for jumping to the vote so quick.
But then again, if Coolway is truly an Invest and you showed up Jester/Exe, you could be fakeclaiming Jester to get away with lynching your target.

Hey, we're going nowhere.
And don't treat people differently because of their role.
If Pieperson is mafia and none of you listen to me I will do the "I told you so" dance.