SFM 4: Guzames Farewell game [Game Over] Town wins!

[xXxAQUAxXx]

Even if it is his farewell game if he is evil he must be lynched. No way around it.

Except he isnt evil, coolway is. >_>

[pretzellover33]

Coolway was right about my role.

It's really fair game between the two. Heck, they can still both be investigators.

We shouldn't have bias because it's Guzame's farewell game; RNG does not favor anybody. He can be scum, and so can coolway.

[xXxAQUAxXx]

Coolway was right about my role.

It's really fair game between the two. Heck, they can still both be investigators.

We shouldn't have bias because it's Guzame's farewell game; RNG does not favor anybody. He can be scum, and so can coolway.

So let me ask you a question.
Why didnt he ask you what your possible target was if he thought you were exe? Then we would have at least one confirmed inno and we would also know investigator and could protect them.
Rather, he asked you nothing. Which meant he KNEW you were a jester instead of an exe.

A regular investigator result isnt that specific. Guzame's results however, classified him as either consigiliere or investigator.

Not only this, but it would be SUICIDE for Guzame to claim to be investigator third if he was actually a mafia member.

No no no, Guzame is definently town. Coolway made a mistake, as he didnt take into account there would be another investigator claim because he was on the spur of the moment of disproving that you were investigator making him seem like a definite investigator. He didnt properly think it through.

Mistakes mistakes mistakes, everywhere I look.
How long before we catch this crook?
He obviously must die.
As to the reason why?
Mistakes mistakes mistakes, everywhere I look.

[Sturps]

How am I the Godfather?
Don't just throw around an accusation like that :distracted

I guess there is no evidence against me then :noworries
Back to work I go.

Speaking of which, you should explain why you're so confident that Aqua seems like a Jester to you.
Because you can't just throw an accusation around like that.
After all:

The first rule of role exchanges is the one asking goes first

[Arcthurus]

Hey sturps, mind giving your opinion on this?

What are the advantages and the disadvantages of lynching and not lynching coolway/guzame?

[xXxAQUAxXx]

Hey sturps, mind giving your opinion on this?

What are the advantages and the disadvantages of lynching and not lynching coolway/guzame?

Well one advantage of lynching Coolway is that we would know who another mafia is IF he is mafia (Which 90% chance he is)

Cow was defending him the entirety of this day and trying to shift blame onto me. Most definently if he is mafia, Cow is mafia.

[xXxAQUAxXx]

Regardless of the reason, you made more evidence against yourself than Guzame.

And thus.

Mistakes, mistakes, mistakes, everywhere I look.

[TheCow]

We shouldn't lynch either inv claimer. Too risky.

[xXxAQUAxXx]

We shouldn't lynch either inv claimer. Too risky.

Are you kidding me right now? Its even more dangerous to let them both live and not get a potential mafia right now.

[Sturps]

Hey sturps, mind giving your opinion on this?

What are the advantages and the disadvantages of lynching and not lynching coolway/guzame?

If we lynch one of them today, its a risky situation. If one or the other flips Consig, we can look where their loyalties lie and go from there.

The thing that bothers me is the order of the reveals; Pretzel -> Cookware -> Guzame

If Guzame was the Consigliere, he would have backed off at that point because the role of counterclaiming the Investigator was already taken. Unless people assume that he already knew that pretzel was a Jester, so he claimed in advance so that Coolway wouldn't be the lone claimer after Pretzel revealed Jester. Guzame also had posts leading up to the reveals that makes him more convincing than me. If he's using this claim as a metagame strategy to get the Investigator lynched, then props to him.

If we don't lynch one of them today, we're just going to have to do it at some point later instead; they'll both still be here, claiming the same roles, while the Mafia slowly kills us all and uses their Consig to find out who our Doctor/Transporter are. I don't think we can afford this.

[TheCow]

The investigator should reveal today, to avoid the risk of them dying during the night.
And in that light, I believe the investigator should reveal asap so we can focus on other things instead. Do you agree Coolway?

Guz acting knowingly, in regards to Coolway and an Investigator reveal.

[xXxAQUAxXx]

Regardless of the reason, you made more evidence against yourself than Guzame.

And thus.

Mistakes, mistakes, mistakes, everywhere I look.

But isn't it a little too convenient how guzame investigated me? He could of done that to claim he had a target last night while still keeping what he investigated a secret to the mafia

But isn't it a little too convenient how you investigated pretzel? You could of done that to claim you had a target last night while still keeping what you investigated a secret to the mafia

[pretzellover33]

You can lynch me and use my judgement to get a mafia member killed!
wink wink

[TheCow]

We shouldn't lynch either inv claimer. Too risky.

Are you kidding me right now? Its even more dangerous to let them both live and not get a potential mafia right now.

The Mafia CC gambit is to reveal with the hopes of killing the town's investigator. If we lynch our investigator, they win (the gambit).

[TheCow]

Cway was correct about his target before they revealed.
Guz was correct about his target after they revealed.

However, the above quote could be considered evidence here. What I'm trying to say is: both are consig/Inv

[xXxAQUAxXx]

We shouldn't lynch either inv claimer. Too risky.

Are you kidding me right now? Its even more dangerous to let them both live and not get a potential mafia right now.

The Mafia CC gambit is to reveal with the hopes of killing the town's investigator. If we lynch our investigator, they win (the gambit).

Cow. We will literally have the EXACT same problem tommorow with both investigators. Its better to do this with more town than do it tommorow with not as much town.

[TheCow]

2 in the bush is better than one in the hand, when your hand is on fire
Consig can wait.

[xXxAQUAxXx]

And thus, by Cow's logic,

mafia carefully calculated that consigiliere would find the jester, and that the jester would claim investigator when town said for the investigator to reveal, but then consigiliere would claim investigator third, and thus creating an enigma.

That entire statement was sarcasm btw.

Yeah I'm gonna vote for coolway. Cow can try to make a defense, but its just gonna be what the above statement says.

[Sturps]

2 in the bush is better than one in the hand, when your hand is on fire
Consig can wait.

Yes, Consig can wait and find out who our Doctor and Transporter are.
(y) (y) (y)

[xXxAQUAxXx]

2 in the bush is better than one in the hand, when your hand is on fire
Consig can wait.

Yes, Consig can wait and find out who our Doctor and Transporter are.
(y) (y) (y)

Yeah can we start voting coolway now? I'm starting to get especially angry and impatient.

[Arcthurus]

2 in the bush is better than one in the hand, when your hand is on fire
Consig can wait.

I'd rather not let the consig get any more info on the rolelist, thank you very much.

[xXxAQUAxXx]

Nope, apparently just gonna wait for about 6234324 more hours until we start voting someone. Yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.

[Arcthurus]

Hmm.
So far, Cow has strongly opposed to a lynch between coolway and guzame.

And who is, according to the majority, the least believable?
Coolway.

[Sturps]

Well it would be nice to hear the opinions of others on this; namely Tsukene, Guzame, Arckas, Zero, etc.

Guzame, what are your thoughts for a lynch today?
Lynch Invest claimers or someone else?

[xXxAQUAxXx]

He purposefully listed Cow so that we would divert suspicion off him, even though Cow is defending him.

Honestly, that just made me laugh SO much.

Well time to go to church. Gotta get all this anger off my chest.
From us not voting, you know.

Honestly, it never made sense to me why we wait to here opinions from people who arent contributing at all.
Like Gary, Tsunuke, PiePerson, Salense (A little suprised on this one actually...),and Zero.
Or hearing opinions from people we already heard opinions from.
Like Dork and Guzame.

We can wait for them to be more active, or we could get this started now so we dont have to wait as long for the next day to arrive.

Time is of the essence, and we are wasting it.