VFM 80: Death Note Popcorn (Task Force Win!)

[dolphina]

More questions for everyone to answer

Who would you pick as patient zero and why if you were scum?

1. Hereisme Yes own slot Ik
2. Zorua
3. Uzay
4. Watchme
5. Ejji
6. Acidic?
7. Kosmo
8. Mist
9. Hyena
10. Ezra
11. Dolphina

Based on how hard they are to read, if theyre usually scumread, combined with threat level. With Acidic in the mid as I dont know much about them

Can I ask why you have Uzay in third and Hyena in ninth? Unless I'm reading this list in the wrong order, I think I'd switch the two on here.

hyena plays excellent as town

[dolphina]

and also forgive me if i’m making a mistake but you probably shouldn’t give the gun to highly competent players

[UzayAltay]

-skim-

Well, Mist has other reads, but still it felt me weird

elaborate on your read on mist

Wasn't that me yelling due to TR on watchme?
If yes, all the post should be about that TR watchme thing.

[UzayAltay]

funnily, I was 90% certain that hyena would get picked
getting rid of the players who have the highest chance to have accurate reads later on seems like the correct choice here

this is a very jump-at-ghosts type of read but
this looks like Ejji could have pre-written this post after choosing the gunbearer for a different reason
does watch have a reputation for being easy to read
asking because I'm personally super biased on this topic

I'd prefer try reading watch over try reading ejji anytime.
Well, actually it might be easier to read ejji due to game being practically nightless and voteless but still, it would take at least x2 effort so still same.
And why did you think it's pre-written? It seems a weird assumption, or guess. Like why would ejji pre-write that even if the exact scenario you predicted occurs?

[UzayAltay]

I know that would be hella tinfoily but like Zorua asking for everyone about reading ejji, started to feel like they are searching for who might shot ejji if given to gun.
I couldn't look the posts enough to check if they are pushing people who wants ejji dead, or neither, but like I got pinged.

[UzayAltay]

if I were to choose rn, shooting among the low-posters might be the right way to go anyway
The chance that all 4 scum members suddenly improved their scum-play and are playing well enough to place them in the upper bracket is just about as low as all of them coincidentally playing like crap
so there literally has to be someone on the bottom who is suspicious and is scum

choosing among the people whose alignments have a chance to get clearer later on might be suboptimal in the long run

or at the very least, waiting with shooting till replacements are found might be a good idea

:Maththinkinggif:
Yeah now we wait somebody to do normal distribution of towniness and find scum based that.

[UzayAltay]

IDK why everyone's calling Hitler weird.

Idk either

And also it's an evil role so how does it even apply to this situation what

Oohkay you were to first one to realize double meaning in that. :trophy_award:
The context of that was last SH game and Hitler role at it with people calling it weird, but I wanted to make this a pun when actually saying what came my mind, and that was what I came up with.
Well couldn't explain myself properly probably but w/e. I'm happy, after all.

[Chemist1422]

and also forgive me if i’m making a mistake but you probably shouldn’t give the gun to highly competent players

?

[UzayAltay]

Well @Phone, in my defense why mafia didn't give me the gun, I say VFM 79 and nothing else.

[UzayAltay]

and also forgive me if i’m making a mistake but you probably shouldn’t give the gun to highly competent players

?

It depends the strategy I guess, I won't repeat myself on something I explained already.

[UzayAltay]

oh yeah let me mention this now as watchme didn't picked it up and we already had replacements.
The reason I went with asking "how many scums are there in non-replaced out players" was checking who would be willing to take a guess from the player they can read rather than they cannot. Here is the issue, only two player answered them, one had already a read at that two and other thought it isn't svs , so that kind of failed.
It was also why I asked the question like that but w/e.

[UzayAltay]

I migh be okay with some other names, maybe but if I were the gunbearer I'd probably shot Zorua for D1.
They didn't do anything with the people they asked about ejji, it is no issue but all their moves about ejji seems problematic to me. Like what's their read on ejji? Ejji asked that, too but I still have no idea after reading the ISO. Some posts are as if they are TLing them, some are if they are SLing them, so no idea at all.
As an additional note, it is probably not SVS.

[ZoruaLuhansk]

hiiiiiiiiiii
maybe

[ZoruaLuhansk]

gth list of who I would not shoot
Mist
Watch
Uzay?
Ezra?
Myself

leaves Dolph Kosmo Cheeze Ejji Phone Hyena

[kosmo16]

I know that would be hella tinfoily but like Zorua asking for everyone about reading ejji, started to feel like they are searching for who might shot ejji if given to gun.
I couldn't look the posts enough to check if they are pushing people who wants ejji dead, or neither, but like I got pinged.

Could be me in this post:

I don't care. You don't have a gun and if watchme decides to shoot me the next phase will be super short, insta bullet for ejii.

I can’t really post rn so I’ll mosty lurk from time to time

are you trying NOT to get yourself shot lmao?
There’s literally no way your confidence on me is legit

Why would I try to get myself shot. If I get shot you go with me.

[LOLingHyena]

Ahoy, I'm here.

[LOLingHyena]

Been meaning to ask -- is your character a Vulpix? o: It kinda looks like one.

[LOLingHyena]

i am thoroughly underwhelmed by both uzay and acidic

kinda meh on everyone else but ezra (and watchme obv)

i rescind my ezra townread

for now tm

i am fairly sure i'll be able to read zorua at some point so im not forcing it now

my read is generally better when i dont

So, basically, you don't have and reads right now?

well, no

i have dnth townreads on dolph and ezra

and a townread on watchme :p

i lowkey think dolph defending ejji in this way is kinda wolfy

also

i think ezra has severly dropped off from early game in terms of content

so i would not mind killing there

Welp, there goes Mist's last two townreads.

[LOLingHyena]

I know that would be hella tinfoily but like Zorua asking for everyone about reading ejji, started to feel like they are searching for who might shot ejji if given to gun.
I couldn't look the posts enough to check if they are pushing people who wants ejji dead, or neither, but like I got pinged.

Zorua must not have asked Kosmo about how she feels about Ejji yet then, because it seems like Kosmo is all about shooting Ejji if she gets the gun.

[ZoruaLuhansk]

Been meaning to ask -- is your character a Vulpix? o: It kinda looks like one.

Yes, she is

[LOLingHyena]

lmao why would they pick me

i’m always scumread at least once in every game. usually get wagon’d too

it’s a shame. if the mafia were stupider i wouldve loved to get picked

You don't seem to do well in weird positions (like in Secret Hitler), so I get the idea that you'd be among the most likely to make a bad shot.

sorry if that comes across as a bit mean

Is there anyone in this game that doesn't know Dolphina struggles in those kinds of weird positions?

Maybe Acidic?

Probs only them tho so this is a dead end, as there's 4 mafia. Weird that Hyena would ask smth like that

Why is it weird?

[LOLingHyena]

Been meaning to ask -- is your character a Vulpix? o: It kinda looks like one.

Yes, she is

Okay! Just wanted to make sure.

[ZoruaLuhansk]

the Ejji stuff is just because the people I was investigating just dropped slight v-reads on Ejji and left
Ejji is appearantly that type of person
so I wanted to check if those had developed
I didn't really get conclusive results though

[ejjinami]

last, probably very stupid question
@hyena what do you think of shooting hereisme at this very moment?

Not a good idea. Shoot one of the active people, I think.

you said there’s at least 1 conf scum among acid/him tho
why not?

No, that's not what I said. :lol: I said let's assume that there was 1 conf scum between them for the exercise that we were doing (making a PoE of three people assuming for not that the fourth was between those two). What are you trying to do, Ejji? XD

assuming that there’s 1 scum among them should mean you think that should be the case
I might have worded myself badly
still, why not tho?

I never really expected Watchme to get picked over Dolphina tbh

Not sure if that means Dolphina is maf or if the maf doesn't want Dolphina to be confirmed. Probably a 50/50 chance of each explanation being correct.

I have to agree, Watchme is an odd pick, as I personally usually have trouble reading Watchme - I always tend to scumlean him no matter his alignment I feel oops. But ehh, I tend to have the same for Dolphina, so I do understand Dolphina not being picked. But like, I feel like there's other good picks for mafia. Personally I felt like Hereisme would be the best pick and I'd like explain why but ehh that'd be self-incriminating. As I think an easy read would be a good first pick for mafia. And well from what I have seen most ppl usually read HIM correct. Ezra, Dolphina and Mist would def be the weirdest picks as mafia could hope on them being shot. Hyena is usually a rlly hard read so I can also get not picking him. But hm, I personally don't see the value of picking Watchme above Acidic, Uzay, Ejji and Zorua. I'm not rlly familiar with Acidic tho, so if someone would explain to me if Acidic would be a better or worse pick than Watchme to me, pls go ahead. But like, Uzay, Ejji and Zorua are all p good players, so if they are first gunman, theyd be out soon - meaning mafia doesnt have to deal with them that long. And someone like Zorua for example isnt rlly such a hard read..? Ejji maybe could be excused for the same reason as Hyena tho, but I rlly feel like Zorua+Uzay > Watchme, so this is a bad look on Zorua and Uzay for me, imo. But then again, maybe mafia picked random to throw everyone off.

.....you’re putting a lot of effort into something that really won’t ever be used :/

there are 15 pages of posts, wouldn’t it be better to try to get reads the normal way first?

the effort is appreciated tho

...actually, a team of [kosmo, uzay, hereisme, +1] could probably work as well

Putting Uzay into a team is spicy. Talk to me about that.

I town-read uzay for a lack of agenda
his posts at the beginning of the game seemed to indicate that he doesn’t really care who gets pushed and was just doing his own thing
That read has started to wane recently. While there isn’t anything I’d directly scum-read him for, I don’t get the feeling that he’s “ok with anyone” anymore and I can’t track his thought process easily (like with mist, or kosmo recently).

Like, mist tends to make reads completely unrelated to the game state and who is scum-read atm.
I got the same feeling from kosmo’s push on me recently.
Ignoring the game state seems like a decent sign of not being bothered by their possible “scummates” being lynched

On the other hand uzay doesn’t seem to get reads in the same way. When he posts reads, it’s mostly about players who were already talked about...
So basically, instead of constantly looking for scum, he could only be doing it when he feels “the townies would want to see it”

[ejjinami]

also

i think ezra has severly dropped off from early game in terms of content

so i would not mind killing there

yet another fun fact: there’s a really high chance mist has suggested shooting scum at least once till now

Phone seems to be tryharding so I TR them

...............
that’s a VERY surface level read