XX17 | The Coven Rises | Stalker + Kleptomaniac Win

[Chemist1422]

anyway

gun being given + coven kill tonight confirms me town

killing between abstract/harper is always the play here so we dont leave uzay open

inclined to say harper since he could technically be coven while i dont think abstract is

Yes but no, pretty sure vct is coven actually. Keeping in mind Harper was just considering ED as the lynch today thinking there was no gun. Don't think Harper would be bussing the other coven member at this point.

Vct can go if they're town and chemist proves themselves. Shoot between Harper, glacial, and watch. Whoever isn't dead to coven or stalker.

wait was vct the botanist claim

Doctor claim, Botanist is watch

yeah between that and debil's EoD1 i'm ~never killing vct here

[Chemist1422]

if watch has a plant on uzay already im ok with putting him into the pool

otherwise its between harper/abstract (probably always abstract for me tbh) for me

[HarperReed]

anyway

gun being given + coven kill tonight confirms me town

killing between abstract/harper is always the play here so we dont leave uzay open

inclined to say harper since he could technically be coven while i dont think abstract is

Yes but no, pretty sure vct is coven actually. Keeping in mind Harper was just considering ED as the lynch today thinking there was no gun. Don't think Harper would be bussing the other coven member at this point.

Vct can go if they're town and chemist proves themselves. Shoot between Harper, glacial, and watch. Whoever isn't dead to coven or stalker.

wait was vct the botanist claim

Doctor claim, Botanist is watch

yeah between that and debil's EoD1 i'm ~never killing vct here

Explain the debil and vct connection

[Chemist1422]

anyway

gun being given + coven kill tonight confirms me town

killing between abstract/harper is always the play here so we dont leave uzay open

inclined to say harper since he could technically be coven while i dont think abstract is

Yes but no, pretty sure vct is coven actually. Keeping in mind Harper was just considering ED as the lynch today thinking there was no gun. Don't think Harper would be bussing the other coven member at this point.

Vct can go if they're town and chemist proves themselves. Shoot between Harper, glacial, and watch. Whoever isn't dead to coven or stalker.

wait was vct the botanist claim

Doctor claim, Botanist is watch

yeah between that and debil's EoD1 i'm ~never killing vct here

Explain the debil and vct connection

at eod1, debil had vct as near lock town

debil was stalked n1. we know this because he died n3.

see the connection now?

[watchme1]

anyway

gun being given + coven kill tonight confirms me town

killing between abstract/harper is always the play here so we dont leave uzay open

inclined to say harper since he could technically be coven while i dont think abstract is

Yes but no, pretty sure vct is coven actually. Keeping in mind Harper was just considering ED as the lynch today thinking there was no gun. Don't think Harper would be bussing the other coven member at this point.

Vct can go if they're town and chemist proves themselves. Shoot between Harper, glacial, and watch. Whoever isn't dead to coven or stalker.

wait was vct the botanist claim

Doctor claim, Botanist is watch

yeah between that and debil's EoD1 i'm ~never killing vct here

Explain the debil and vct connection

at eod1, debil had vct as near lock town

debil was stalked n1. we know this because he died n3.

see the connection now?

Are you saying vc never stalks debil here?

[HarperReed]

anyway

gun being given + coven kill tonight confirms me town

killing between abstract/harper is always the play here so we dont leave uzay open

inclined to say harper since he could technically be coven while i dont think abstract is

Yes but no, pretty sure vct is coven actually. Keeping in mind Harper was just considering ED as the lynch today thinking there was no gun. Don't think Harper would be bussing the other coven member at this point.

Vct can go if they're town and chemist proves themselves. Shoot between Harper, glacial, and watch. Whoever isn't dead to coven or stalker.

wait was vct the botanist claim

Doctor claim, Botanist is watch

yeah between that and debil's EoD1 i'm ~never killing vct here

Explain the debil and vct connection

at eod1, debil had vct as near lock town

debil was stalked n1. we know this because he died n3.

see the connection now?

And that has what to do with the expectation of vct to be coven exactly?

If we kill coven here wcs is 2 deaths by stalker. Assuming chemist is legit and uzay gets their gun out successfully then it's game over tomorrow anyways.

If we ml however it could be 4 deaths which is still winnable if a town survived with the gun to shoot in the 1v1

[Chemist1422]

well, if vct isn't coven, we risk outright losing off of that

[HarperReed]

well, if vct isn't coven, we risk outright losing off of that

Well yes but no. Assuming you're legit that is.
Ml on vct. Wcs 3 between Harper, watch, yourself, glacial, and uzay die

As long as at least one is scum that dies and the remaining town has a gun they shoot the last scum and its gg town wins.

The only way town loses is if the two guns aren't given correctly, or if all town die and it's coven v stalker with stalker winning.

One of the 3 deaths will happen at EoD, so it's just a matter of getting one of the two guns into the hands of someone who will make it to tomorrow to blast it.

[Chemist1422]

if scum has a gun in F3 and shoots first they win no matter if town has a gun or not

[HarperReed]

if scum has a gun in F3 and shoots first they win no matter if town has a gun or not

This is also a troof. However vet's flip does help solve that issue. You and uzay will be handing out the guns. So that comes down to how confident you both would be with your reads.

[Chemist1422]

if scum has a gun in F3 and shoots first they win no matter if town has a gun or not

This is also a troof. However vet's flip does help solve that issue. You and uzay will be handing out the guns. So that comes down to how confident you both would be with your reads.

if there is a protective alive who can successfully target uzay i am always giving the gun to him

if vct is not killed today there will >>>rand be a protective alive who can successfully target uzay, especially if watchme claims that he already has

[HarperReed]

Botanist doesn't get told when flowers are hit yeah?
Not that we're missing an attack so all should still be intact.

[Chemist1422]

Botanist doesn't get told when flowers are hit yeah?
Not that we're missing an attack so all should still be intact.

correct

[HarperReed]

Realistically it comes down to who everyone thinks is likely to be scum at this point. So long as a scum is lynched town all but wins

[watchme1]

if scum has a gun in F3 and shoots first they win no matter if town has a gun or not

This is also a troof. However vet's flip does help solve that issue. You and uzay will be handing out the guns. So that comes down to how confident you both would be with your reads.

if there is a protective alive who can successfully target uzay i am always giving the gun to him

if vct is not killed today there will >>>rand be a protective alive who can successfully target uzay, especially if watchme claims that he already has

There's a plant on uzay so we gucci unless he was stalked d2/n2.

[UzayAltay]

Reminder that unless it is reworked plants are useless if we have Hex Master.

[UzayAltay]

I believe we should vote vctyuri as I think they are last coven. I don't think dota, watchme or Mist are coven and I think yuri is likelier to be last coven compared to Hyena.
And, I may have lied about having the gun. I thought Cheeze never dies when we have 3 TP claims but it turned out different.

[watchme1]

Reminder that unless it is reworked plants are useless if we have Hex Master.

Unless I'm reading incorrectly astral = ninja?

[HarperReed]

@Ez
Can necro hand themselves a gun via the GS?

If so we likely should go for coven first. Coven having a gun during the day tomorrow is more dangerous than stalker

[HarperReed]

Reminder that unless it is reworked plants are useless if we have Hex Master.

Unless I'm reading incorrectly astral = ninja?

Why would Ninja get around tp? Ninja just isn't seen by lo or effected by bg. Botanist and doctor should be fine

[Chemist1422]

@Ez
Can necro hand themselves a gun via the GS?

If so we likely should go for coven first. Coven having a gun during the day tomorrow is more dangerous than stalker

they can but they can't do it and nightkill at the same time

[HarperReed]

@Ez
Can necro hand themselves a gun via the GS?

If so we likely should go for coven first. Coven having a gun during the day tomorrow is more dangerous than stalker

they can but they can't do it and nightkill at the same time

If they make it to a 1v1v1 by no killing and shoot the stalker they win the 1v1 unless the other townie has a gun as well.

Granted that's only in wcs of a ml and two townies stalked

[HarperReed]

/vote vct

Heck it, pretty sure they're coven and both HM and Necro are dangerous. At most stalker will get two kills and PoE should be better tomorrow anyways. Pretty sure one of if not both Harper and glacial will die to stalker

[AbstractGlacial]

vct voteoff is all good with me

[watchme1]

/vote vct