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Re: VFM79 | Trust Fall | HISS

Postby UzayAltay » Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:44 am

I wanted to write that there, too.

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3.Uzay: Trust me or I will trust that foreigner instead of you
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Re: VFM79 | Trust Fall | HISS

Postby ejjinami » Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:02 am

UzayAltay wrote:I wanted to write that there, too.

3 personalities: How to make somebody trust you.

1.Chemist: I trusted you before, so you must trust me.
2.kosmo: Please trust me.
3.Uzay: Trust me or I will trust that foreigner instead of you

accurate xD


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Re: VFM79 | Trust Fall | HISS

Postby Varanus » Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:02 am

This setup is good stuff
Admittedly a bit town sided, but we realised (a bit late) that it's easily fixed by just removing one townie
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Re: VFM79 | Trust Fall | HISS

Postby Rickdaily12 » Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:19 am

Varanus wrote:This setup is good stuff
Admittedly a bit town sided, but we realised (a bit late) that it's easily fixed by just removing one townie

disagree, but I already explained why to you, so no need to rehash it :P

Ejj, btw though, is the setup of your own design, or is it a copypaste from somewhere else?
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Re: VFM79 | Trust Fall | HISS

Postby Chemist1422 » Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:20 am

Rickdaily12 wrote:
Varanus wrote:This setup is good stuff
Admittedly a bit town sided, but we realised (a bit late) that it's easily fixed by just removing one townie

disagree, but I already explained why to you, so no need to rehash it :P

Ejj, btw though, is the setup of your own design, or is it a copypaste from somewhere else?

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Re: VFM79 | Trust Fall | HISS

Postby TheDebil » Thu Mar 04, 2021 12:13 pm

what a fun concept, was a very interesting game to stalk
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Re: VFM79 | Trust Fall | HISS

Postby LOLingHyena » Thu Mar 04, 2021 12:21 pm

GG, everyone! :D
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Re: VFM79 | Trust Fall | meow

Postby Jeeper5 » Thu Mar 04, 2021 12:26 pm

LOLingHyena wrote:Zorua, have I regained your trust yet from after the last time I played scum against you? :P
kosmo16 wrote:Hyena's interactions with Zorua were very similar with Hyena's interactions with polypies in other game where both were mafia. Less direct, something like I would like to hear from...Zorua.

I like how both mafia referenced VFM76.

LOLingHyena wrote:Yo, why isn't Jeepers in this game? D:

Was this supposed to be a scumslip?
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Re: VFM79 | Trust Fall | meow

Postby LOLingHyena » Thu Mar 04, 2021 12:40 pm

Jeeper5 wrote:
LOLingHyena wrote:Yo, why isn't Jeepers in this game? D:

Was this supposed to be a scumslip?

No! When I saw you under "Who's Online" I was legit surprised/disappointed you didn't manage to get into the game! D:< It's all good though. <3
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milte345 wrote:A hyena can't be a wolf because it is in fact a hyena
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Re: VFM79 | Trust Fall | HISS

Postby CheezePie » Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:05 pm

ejjinami wrote:Kosmo- Spoiler: You probably know what you did well and what not so lemme just say one thing
The only thing that should probably be said is that cheeze as a player, is very paranoid. He undervalues himself a lot and from what I’ve seen, might tend to think of other players as of more dangerous than they actually are. This makes him be very sensitive to pocket attempts and any positive mentions of him
The correct choice of action at the very end, would have probably been not to be nice or suck up to him, but to have some sort of negative reaction to him or people trusting him (lower his wariness and possibly throw a bit more suspicions on other players)... Honestly, even mild insults could work better than nice/friendly trust jokes

but yeah... that’s it for me
on the bigger scale, it’s not like this mattered anyway

this should be accurate and im now scared of ejji :Hide:

anyway gg
thanks for the good words, i suppose
it's just... almost funny that i was correct and ended up trusting the scum anyway
because i somehow completely lost confidence in mist

...ok, i know why and how, it's just so blatantly stupid in retrospect and one of the reasons i decided i'd join FM was to fix that

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Re: VFM79 | Trust Fall | HISS

Postby Phone0Ix » Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:22 pm

Varanus wrote:This setup is good stuff
Admittedly a bit town sided, but we realised (a bit late) that it's easily fixed by just removing one townie

Not adding 1 townie? :thinking: Btw fun fact Sam already said when he saw this setup first it'd be better in 11p
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Re: VFM79 | Trust Fall | HISS

Postby Rickdaily12 » Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:07 pm

Phone0Ix wrote:
Varanus wrote:This setup is good stuff
Admittedly a bit town sided, but we realised (a bit late) that it's easily fixed by just removing one townie

Not adding 1 townie? :thinking: Btw fun fact Sam already said when he saw this setup first it'd be better in 11p


This would be even worse, as it would increase the number of pairs Town needs to find by 1, while also decreasing the number of possible correct answers come LYLO. <_<

I think you either run this setup as a 5v1 (6p), a 8v2 (10p), and a 11v3 (14p). I think theoretically, 14v4(18p) could also work, but by that point the game is getting a bit too large, unless you add a secondary win condition where Mafia could win faster if they eliminate X Mafia before Town eliminated X Townies.
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Re: VFM79 | Trust Fall | HISS

Postby Phone0Ix » Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:18 pm

Rickdaily12 wrote:
Phone0Ix wrote:
Varanus wrote:This setup is good stuff
Admittedly a bit town sided, but we realised (a bit late) that it's easily fixed by just removing one townie

Not adding 1 townie? :thinking: Btw fun fact Sam already said when he saw this setup first it'd be better in 11p


This would be even worse, as it would increase the number of pairs Town needs to find by 1, while also decreasing the number of possible correct answers come LYLO. <_<

I think you either run this setup as a 5v1 (6p), a 8v2 (10p), and a 11v3 (14p). I think theoretically, 14v4(18p) could also work, but by that point the game is getting a bit too large, unless you add a secondary win condition where Mafia could win faster if they eliminate X Mafia before Town eliminated X Townies.

Well, Var said it was townsided, and 9v2 would make it more hard for town.. And I discussed it with Ejji and she seemed to think +1 townie unless I misunderstood so I thought Var meant +1..
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Re: VFM79 | Trust Fall | HISS

Postby Rickdaily12 » Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:29 pm

MafiaWiki does recommend 8v2 in a Trust Fall setup, I'll refer to them; it has three designers who think this is the most balanced setup.

(Keep in mind, what we just ran: Mafia did just win the game, despite making a few mistakes.)

7v2 would be more difficult for the Town than 8v2. The final showdowns will either be a 3v2, or a 2v1. This puts even greater pressure to find a Town member remaining in the group, as fewer voices are going to be pure than if the finales were 4v2 and 3v1.

9v2 would be even more difficult than 7v2, since it runs into all of the same problems above, except the Town is being tasked to find 4 pairs to win, rather than only three. So there's even greater room for error.

10v2 is probably about the same difficulty than 7v2, as you need to find 4 pairs, but the finales will at least be 4v2 and 3v1 again.


But again, seeing as how Mafia won the only Trust Fall setup that we know of, I don't see why the numbers need adjusting. Perhaps if this setup were ran three more times, and Town stomped all three of them, but until then?

5v1 and 11v3, conversely, should math out the same way, on the other hand: they're the same setup as 8v2, just accelerated/extended. 5v1 requires one fewer pair to win in exchange for one less mistake, and 11v3 requires one more pair to win, but offers one more mistake.
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Re: VFM79 | Trust Fall | HISS

Postby Rickdaily12 » Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:39 pm

Rickdaily12 wrote:MafiaWiki does recommend 8v2 in a Trust Fall setup, I'll refer to them; it has three designers who think this is the most balanced setup.

...scratch that, it has only one, and two only if you include ejjinami in that list. :oops: I may or may not have been looking at "Popcorn Mafia" for... uh... unrelated reasons...

Anyway, regardless, Mafia still won this game, so data we have suggests that there's no need to make it even easier for the Mafia to win. :P
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Re: VFM79 | Trust Fall | HISS

Postby UzayAltay » Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:44 pm

Rickdaily12 wrote:
Rickdaily12 wrote:MafiaWiki does recommend 8v2 in a Trust Fall setup, I'll refer to them; it has three designers who think this is the most balanced setup.

...scratch that, it has only one, and two only if you include ejjinami in that list. :oops: I may or may not have been looking at "Popcorn Mafia" for... uh... unrelated reasons...

Anyway, regardless, Mafia still won this game, so data we have suggests that there's no need to make it even easier for the Mafia to win. :P

I actually think game is slightly mafiasided but fun to play from both sides.
The thing is at F4 it is 50-50 as I don't think it is impossible to force it from mafia side. If mafia can opt for 50-50 somewhat, it is probably somewhat better than 50-50 in start though I think it is fair from both sides.
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Re: VFM79 | Trust Fall | HISS

Postby watchme1 » Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:49 pm

Kosmo kinda insane, was thinking the last to be between chem/Uzay in the f4.

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Re: VFM79 | Trust Fall | HISS

Postby kosmo16 » Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:17 pm

watchme1 wrote:Kosmo kinda insane, was thinking the last to be between chem/Uzay in the f4.

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Re: VFM79 | Trust Fall | HISS

Postby AbstractGlacial » Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:03 am

i wanted to replace into hereis' slot and instantly trust cheeze
get fucked chemist
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Re: VFM79 | Trust Fall | HISS

Postby Chemist1422 » Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:05 am

okay
mist ~ she/her

i guess this is goodbye?
(still here for danganronpa i guess)


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Re: VFM79 | Trust Fall | HISS

Postby AbstractGlacial » Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:12 am

good response i respect that
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Re: VFM79 | Trust Fall | HISS

Postby kosmo16 » Sat Mar 06, 2021 6:00 pm

AbstractGlacial wrote:i wanted to replace into hereis' slot and instantly trust cheeze
get fucked chemist


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Re: VFM79 | Trust Fall | HISS

Postby AbstractGlacial » Sun Mar 07, 2021 7:15 am

wait LOL i'm dumb
i thought hereis slot was town

sorry my bad
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Re: VFM79 | Trust Fall | HISS

Postby kosmo16 » Sun Mar 07, 2021 7:42 am

AbstractGlacial wrote:wait LOL i'm dumb
i thought hereis slot was town

sorry my bad


I wonder if you would like to replace in to mafia slot?
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