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Re: SFM81 | ORATORIO TANGRAM | Day 6 | VSYS

Postby Chemist1422 » Fri Feb 05, 2021 1:31 pm

oh

well if you stopped a kill on me that is not a conflict with debil's action
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Re: SFM81 | ORATORIO TANGRAM | Day 6 | VSYS

Postby ElusiveBelle » Fri Feb 05, 2021 1:59 pm

Chemist1422 wrote:oh

well if you stopped a kill on me that is not a conflict with debil's action

Wait a kill was stopped? I assume for the night we had no kill yeah?

Who was told the kill was stopped?
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Re: SFM81 | ORATORIO TANGRAM | Day 6 | VSYS

Postby Chemist1422 » Fri Feb 05, 2021 2:01 pm

no one was

var implied that they killed watchme so i'm predicting the n5 kill was on me instead

unless i got that wrong
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Re: SFM81 | ORATORIO TANGRAM | Day 6 | VSYS

Postby Chemist1422 » Fri Feb 05, 2021 2:02 pm

var needs to fullclaim
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Re: SFM81 | ORATORIO TANGRAM | Day 6 | VSYS

Postby ElusiveBelle » Fri Feb 05, 2021 2:17 pm

Then that would mean two nights without a Mafia kill?
Did we establish what happened n4?
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Re: SFM81 | ORATORIO TANGRAM | Day 6 | VSYS

Postby Chemist1422 » Fri Feb 05, 2021 2:25 pm

cob commuting is the most likely explanation
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Re: SFM81 | ORATORIO TANGRAM | Day 6 | VSYS

Postby ElusiveBelle » Fri Feb 05, 2021 2:33 pm

Chemist1422 wrote:cob commuting is the most likely explanation

The only thing I'm dubious about is attacking Cob over someone like you for instance after a TP would have died with lemon. For all we know lemon died in place of someone iirc which I kinda doubt was Cob.

However is just too much thinking for me so really I'll leave it to y'all, I will still say Fen next after me over Debil but I'm willing to be first in the PoE even as town so I can focus on the LNY event in overwatch ngl
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Re: SFM81 | ORATORIO TANGRAM | Day 6 | VSYS

Postby Chemist1422 » Fri Feb 05, 2021 4:36 pm

cob was essentially an IC

so it makes sense

I was also functionally an IC but I was the most obvious protect target
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Re: SFM81 | ORATORIO TANGRAM | Day 6 | VSYS

Postby cob709 » Fri Feb 05, 2021 6:07 pm

TheDebil wrote:watchme upgrades mobility n1, n2, then starts redirecting

sounds accurate

No. watchme was required to spend one night to upgrade Arament, as it depreciates every 2 phases. They could only upgrade Mobility if their Armament was above Level 1. This means they only began redirecting on Night 4.

If Fen's claim about being redirected is true, that means watchme Upgraded Mobility/Armament(N1), Armament/Mobility(N2), Mobility(N3), then dueled Fen(N4).

However, Kom claims to have been dueled on Night 3.
Komaru wrote:
Fenraiser wrote:Or watchme doesnt give a redirect message and the remaining scum does.

Well I clearly got told N3.. I was said I was hurdled in a tornado and challenged to a duel

How could it be possible that watchme Upgraded Mobility and dueled Komaru at the same time?

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Final Core >> You appear in the thread when [REDACTED]. Until then, while you may appear on the playerlist, you will not be targetable by actions, voteable, etc. Once you appear, you may be voted and lynched.

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You cannot die at night until after being lynched the first time.
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[watchme1] can [Upgrade] and [Duel] at the same time.

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Perhaps Tangram allowed them to do so. In fact, it is likely that is exactly the case, as Tangram appeared on Day 3.

In conclusion, if Komaru and Fenraiser are speaking of the truth, then that means that watchme's actions are as follows:
    N1: Upgrade Mobility/Armamaent
    N2: Upgrade Armament/Mobility(opposite of N1)
    N3: Upgrade Mobility + Dueled Komaru
    N4: ? + Dueled Fenraiser
    N5: ? + ?
    N6: ?

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Re: SFM81 | ORATORIO TANGRAM | Day 6 | VSYS

Postby cob709 » Fri Feb 05, 2021 7:33 pm

cob709 wrote:In conclusion, if Komaru and Fenraiser are speaking of the truth, then that means that watchme's actions are as follows:
    N1: Upgrade Mobility/Armament
    N2: Upgrade Armament/Mobility(opposite of N1)

Correction: It must have been Mobility before Armament.
    N1: Upgrade Mobility
    N2: Upgrade Armament
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Re: SFM81 | ORATORIO TANGRAM | Day 6 | VSYS

Postby ElusiveBelle » Fri Feb 05, 2021 7:36 pm

I don't think Tangram could have helped watch?

Tangram was part of the Mafia team, Watch wasn't.
Watch's WC was different than Ez, Dolph, and Tangram
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Re: SFM81 | ORATORIO TANGRAM | Day 6 | VSYS

Postby Chemist1422 » Fri Feb 05, 2021 7:48 pm

well we don't know if watch could multitask those anyway

so it's possible he wouldn't need tangram
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Re: SFM81 | ORATORIO TANGRAM | Day 6 | VSYS

Postby TheDebil » Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:05 pm

cob709 wrote:
cob709 wrote:In conclusion, if Komaru and Fenraiser are speaking of the truth, then that means that watchme's actions are as follows:
    N1: Upgrade Mobility/Armament
    N2: Upgrade Armament/Mobility(opposite of N1)

Correction: It must have been Mobility before Armament.
    N1: Upgrade Mobility
    N2: Upgrade Armament

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Re: SFM81 | ORATORIO TANGRAM | Day 6 | VSYS

Postby Fenraiser » Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:07 pm

Watchme could upgrade in day and night phases fyi
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Re: SFM81 | ORATORIO TANGRAM | Day 6 | VSYS

Postby Fenraiser » Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:13 pm

I checked, their rc says phases, not day or night phases regarding upgrades and armament degradation.
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Re: SFM81 | ORATORIO TANGRAM | Day 6 | VSYS

Postby TheDebil » Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:43 pm

was anyone redirected n2
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Re: SFM81 | ORATORIO TANGRAM | Day 6 | VSYS

Postby Varanus » Sat Feb 06, 2021 2:07 am

Komaru wrote:Oh btw I forgot to mention I only stop 1 action max, so maybe multiple ppl visited Mist

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Re: SFM81 | ORATORIO TANGRAM | Day 6 | VSYS

Postby Varanus » Sat Feb 06, 2021 2:07 am

Nobody tell swords I was missing for 25 hours
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Re: SFM81 | ORATORIO TANGRAM | Day 6 | VSYS

Postby Fenraiser » Sat Feb 06, 2021 3:20 am

Komaru
For my ISO purposes.
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Re: SFM81 | ORATORIO TANGRAM | Day 6 | VSYS

Postby Fenraiser » Sat Feb 06, 2021 3:55 am

A couple of things:
1) I'm not gonna assume Varanus yeeted Watchme unless Varanus says so. Like, if you don't tell me I won't understand, Mist may get it, but to me it's a bit vague. Can you clarify Var?

2) From what I understand there is no redirector that gives the standard redirection messages. The only redirector I know of is Watchme, and my claim is corroborated by both Cob/Debil.

3) There is literally no reason to doubt Komaru's claim of being dueled N3 as Watchme didn't flip until today. Watchme also claimed to have dueled Komaru. Given that Watchme got yeeted today, I don't think the Mafia/Watchme were cooperating so we can trust that Komaru is not lying about being dueled.

4) I feel like Komaru is lowkey so wolfy for their claims and their contradictions but when I see this post:
Komaru wrote:
Fenraiser wrote:
Komaru wrote:
Fenraiser wrote:Also wasnt able to use my ability n1.

Wait

Fenraiserrrrrrr

Who did you visit N1?

/vote unvote

N1 Cant visit
N2 Track Var to Debil
N3 Roleblocked

Oh I thought you meant you were rbd n1
Also who did you try to visit n3

I feel like they do have the ability they say they have. Komaru's like trying to gauge if I tried to visit their targets N1 and N2 in this post from D4, which seems like what someone with the role Komaru claims to have would do.

Like, if scum has a rolestopper like Komaru they never ever claim that role unless it's a provided fakeclaim (esp. since they haven't been receiving much pressure) since rolestoppers are more scumsided regardless of alignment.
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Re: SFM81 | ORATORIO TANGRAM | Day 6 | VSYS

Postby Fenraiser » Sat Feb 06, 2021 4:04 am

@Mist
Can you check if these posts from Komaru (in chronological order) is scummy or not? I have some bias because once watchme flipped I immediately knew I was redirected so I'm kind of lost on how to see Komaru and need a 2nd opinion.
Spoiler:
Komaru wrote:
Komaru wrote:Anyways I believe 2 ppl may have scumslipped but I'm confused...

As ehh I'll just claim

I'm a super OP TP and I can make people unvisitable for a night.

N1 I protected Debil
N2 I protected Chemist
N3 I protected Chemist but got redirected to Watchme probably (altho I was also hurdled in a tornado, so maybe I was rbd? Idk)
N4 I believe I forgot to act ;-;
N5 I believe I protected Chemist but hhhh I felt rlly awful so Idk if I did and aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. But anyways, if I protected Chemist N5, then he can't have been motivated I think.. So how..


Komaru wrote:Oh btw I forgot to mention I only stop 1 action max, so maybe multiple ppl visited Mist


Komaru wrote:Oh btw I forgot to mention I only stop 1 action max, so maybe multiple ppl visited Mist

The confusion they had earlier and saying they were a super OP TP
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Re: SFM81 | ORATORIO TANGRAM | Day 6 | VSYS

Postby Fenraiser » Sat Feb 06, 2021 4:40 am

@Var
Full claim uwu
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Re: SFM81 | ORATORIO TANGRAM | Day 6 | VSYS

Postby Chemist1422 » Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:38 am

Fenraiser wrote:@Mist
Can you check if these posts from Komaru (in chronological order) is scummy or not? I have some bias because once watchme flipped I immediately knew I was redirected so I'm kind of lost on how to see Komaru and need a 2nd opinion.
Spoiler:
Komaru wrote:
Komaru wrote:Anyways I believe 2 ppl may have scumslipped but I'm confused...

As ehh I'll just claim

I'm a super OP TP and I can make people unvisitable for a night.

N1 I protected Debil
N2 I protected Chemist
N3 I protected Chemist but got redirected to Watchme probably (altho I was also hurdled in a tornado, so maybe I was rbd? Idk)
N4 I believe I forgot to act ;-;
N5 I believe I protected Chemist but hhhh I felt rlly awful so Idk if I did and aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. But anyways, if I protected Chemist N5, then he can't have been motivated I think.. So how..


Komaru wrote:Oh btw I forgot to mention I only stop 1 action max, so maybe multiple ppl visited Mist


Komaru wrote:Oh btw I forgot to mention I only stop 1 action max, so maybe multiple ppl visited Mist

The confusion they had earlier and saying they were a super OP TP

probably not i think
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Re: SFM81 | ORATORIO TANGRAM | Day 1 | CARRIER

Postby Fenraiser » Sat Feb 06, 2021 10:13 am

VC References (D1-D3), Edited:

D1 VC:
Swordsworth wrote:watchme1 |1| Phone0Ix;
lemonader666 |1| ZoruaLuhansk;
ElusiveBelle |1| Fenraiser;
cob709 |1| Ezradekezra;
TANGRAM |1| cob709;
ScorpioDiAngelo |5| mamaniejebanana, dolphina, lemonader666, kosmo16, ElusiveBelle;
Ezradekezra |2| Chemist1422, TheDebil
Not Voting |3| Varanus, Scorpio, Watchme


D2 VC
Swordsworth wrote:mamaniejebanana |2| cob709, kosmo16;
dolphina |6| mamaniejebanana, Fenraiser, ElusiveBelle, TheDebil, lemonader666, watchme1
Not Voting |4| Varanus, Dolphina, Phone0lx, Mist1422



D3 VC
Swordsworth wrote:mamaniejebanana |6| cob709, Chemist1422, ElusiveBelle, TheDebil, Varanus, lemonader666;
Varanus |1| Komaru
TANGRAM |1| mamaniejebanana
Not Voting |2| Fenraiser, watchme1
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Re: SFM81 | ORATORIO TANGRAM | Day 6 | VSYS

Postby Chemist1422 » Sat Feb 06, 2021 10:32 am

oh wait yeah

/vote elusive
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