VFM71 | Light Game - The End | [Heretic Victory]

[kosmo16]

cheeze fyi dont blame yourself for being wrong
debil was super hard to catch

I mean his post today should pings Cheeze a little bit.

[dota2reporter]

cheeze fyi dont blame yourself for being wrong
debil was super hard to catch

I mean his post today should pings Cheeze a little bit.

confbias prevents that

[CheezePie]

i should've looked into it a bit more...

[kosmo16]

i should've looked into it a bit more...

I mean I expected the lose because everything was set up to mislynch me.

[CheezePie]

lol imagine if i had switched my vote to triple on EoD1
shit would've been completely different

i should've looked into it a bit more...

I mean I expected the lose because everything was set up to mislynch me.

im sorry, this is my first game :c

[watchme1]

From a spectator's point of view, town literally self-destructs by itself and all scum did was watch until f5. Debil was basically chilling and even then trying to bus his teammates like no tomorrow. Zorua lynch was eh at best but it was either that or cob so can't really say much else.

Overall was a pretty fun game to spectate to say so the least. Shame none of the mechanics in this game really came in fruition.

[kosmo16]

lol imagine if i had switched my vote to triple on EoD1
shit would've been completely different

i should've looked into it a bit more...

I mean I expected the lose because everything was set up to mislynch me.

im sorry, this is my first game :c

No problem. I think Debil played too good to be caught. The only thing I would like to know is who was the PR Cop.

[watchme1]

hyena, who has cop equity and who doesn't?

So, I was actually thinking about this earlier, and after seeing Cob post that voting him is a bad move, I remembered that he had posted that at least one other time before. Here are some of those instances:
Spoiler:

On D1, July 31st

/vote cob709

this is a bad move
please unvote me

On D2, August 6th

debil who do you think the wolfteam is?

let's go with kosmo/huachi/jal

alternate is ejji/hyena/cob

not me

D3, yesterday

That's a placeholder.

/vote cob

this is a bad move, please reconsider

Cob hasn't claimed not-cop, and I think he's new enough to be unaware that claiming here would be helpful.

damnit
ok uhhhhh
what do you think of hyena and kosmo?
are you the pr cop?

both bad
maybe

If you think Kosmo is bad, why do you care about the people on her wagon? You stated that the people on Jalandh's wagon looked better earlier when you moved you vote from Kosmo to Jal.

Debil is certainly scum. Jalandh might be in the team + Cob. That looks decent.

Kosmo had the scum team nailed day 3 as well.

[kosmo16]

From a spectator's point of view, town literally self-destructs by itself and all scum did was watch until f5. Debil was basically chilling and even then trying to bus his teammates like no tomorrow. Zorua lynch was eh at best but it was either that or cob so can't really say much else.

Overall was a pretty fun game to spectate to say so the least. Shame none of the mechanics in this game really came in fruition.

About mechanics...

I must say Fen that you can't have both:

[...]
Flavor: Flavor for players that have flipped isn't indicative of their roles (only alignment is revealed upon death, not role cards).
[...]
Deaths will only flip alignment, not roles. Mafia will know the true role of people they have killed.
[...]

because any stray beside claiming D1 pr is not optimal. I was so disappointed by that.

[kosmo16]

hyena, who has cop equity and who doesn't?

So, I was actually thinking about this earlier, and after seeing Cob post that voting him is a bad move, I remembered that he had posted that at least one other time before. Here are some of those instances:
Spoiler:

On D1, July 31st

/vote cob709

this is a bad move
please unvote me

On D2, August 6th

debil who do you think the wolfteam is?

let's go with kosmo/huachi/jal

alternate is ejji/hyena/cob

not me

D3, yesterday

That's a placeholder.

/vote cob

this is a bad move, please reconsider

Cob hasn't claimed not-cop, and I think he's new enough to be unaware that claiming here would be helpful.

damnit
ok uhhhhh
what do you think of hyena and kosmo?
are you the pr cop?

both bad
maybe

If you think Kosmo is bad, why do you care about the people on her wagon? You stated that the people on Jalandh's wagon looked better earlier when you moved you vote from Kosmo to Jal.

Debil is certainly scum. Jalandh might be in the team + Cob. That looks decent.

Kosmo had the scum team nailed day 3 as well.

Yeah XD

[CheezePie]

so basically
think of all the possibilities and don't rush
anything else i should know?

tbh was kinda done with the game and wanted it to end lol

[kosmo16]

so basically
think of all the possibilities and don't rush
anything else i should know?

tbh was kinda done with the game and wanted it to end lol

I think in P3 you just need to pick a single person and you have a lot of information. Analyze their iso and let them post. From my experience, scums often can't handle the pressure of P3 and start doing something stupid.

[dota2reporter]

so basically
think of all the possibilities and don't rush
anything else i should know?

tbh was kinda done with the game and wanted it to end lol

you were really good at projecting town. dont worry about being wrong on reads because that just comes with practice
thinking of all the possibilities is good but i can see why it can be tiresome. i dont blame you for it at all but its suggested yeah

[Bottlenose]

wowee

[watchme1]

so basically
think of all the possibilities and don't rush
anything else i should know?

tbh was kinda done with the game and wanted it to end lol

happens, wim low and yea.

In an ideal f3 situation as the 'conf. town' you'd check every possible svs interaction with the other two players. Well at least that's what i did in said scenario

[LOLingHyena]

Welp. I'm mad that Zorua got yeeted. I am happy though that I eventually swapped out Debil for Bottle in my towncore.

Man though, Kosmo, you really got me frustrated this game. We need to, like, try harder to find each other, or just make sure we successfully yeet the other earlier so that we know that we're both town and can have their reads trusted. I think I eventually started turning my read around on you near the end though.

Also, while I did expect to get nightkilled eventually, I didn't expect it to happen when it did.

Also, Cheeze! You were super-fun to play with if this was really your first game of mafia! Play more!

Everyone else, gg. <3 Was fun playing with the lot of you again. I'm happy that you're putting up more of a fight against me when I try to take the lead of town, but man is it frustrating when I actually think I'm right about something. Dota had a good game this game though, and he did well in the leadership role this game, I think.

[Bottlenose]

yes in hindsight zorua lynch was terrible.

[Jalandh]

im sad my slot was kinda doomed but atleast i was able to save it for another day

gg though!!

[Fenraiser]

Awake from my needed power nap. Processing day end now.

[Fenraiser]

Current Vote Count

Player	Votes	Voters
	#	Votes Until Majority

After the last survivors picked who they thought were dirty Heretics, Mayor Ryanyb decided to take the axe in their hands themselves. Kosmo16 dodged a swing from the axe and passed in front of Assistant Mayor Fen and the High Priest. By taking things in their own hands, Mayor Ryanyb decapitated the poor assistant mayor and made a gash in the High Priest's stomach and blood started to run.

At seeing the final act of sin from the Mayor Ryanyb, theDebil smiled- they had accumulated enough power to run Orthodoxy off this map.

Taking out their big black book (BBB), theDebil started to murmur a final prayer.

Everyone stood silent. Cheezepie and Kosmo16 could not believe what was happening.

The day darkened into pitch black lighted by a single burning red moon.
The lake started to quickly flood throughout the town and all the water reached decayed into flesh and bones.
As the clouds gathered and started raining acid,
There were only 3 figures left in Orthodoxy.

One was theDebil, the most faithful Heretic who followed the tenets of their beliefs and sacrificed all their fellow worshippers to serve their Heretical God.
The other two was Jalandh and Cob709, the fellow Heretics that were brought back to life.
Joining hands together in a circle,
The spell was complete.

All the flooded waters exploded into a sphere centred around the trio.

All memory of Orthodoxy had been forgotten.

And no traces of that cursed town still stood.

If there were any survivors, none dared to speak about that town ever again.

[Fenraiser]

The Heretics have overtaken the Town.

The victors are:
theDebil (Goon)
Cob709 (Goon)
Jalandh [TripleHaven] (Nonconsecutive Bookie)

The town power players are:
hellosither (Martyr)
dota2reporter (Martyr)
Huachimingo (PR Cop)

[CheezePie]

damnit debil was mafia we lost rip gg
i didn't expect this wp

[Fenraiser]

Here is the link for the mafia/dead/spectator discord chats:

https://discord.gg/QHCRyYd

I will be making a mod wall in a bit.

Thank you all who took a chance with this VFM. It was a joy learning the ropes and bullshitting your flavour deaths the entire time. I stopped counting post restrictions after D2 so ya'll should have just went wild.

[Fenraiser]

Again, thank you all for playing through and making sure I didn't force-replace anyone.

This was my first game hosted by myself and I was honestly surprised this was accepted by the balance team because it was sort of a vague idea in my head at the time. The idea was to make the game semi-flipless to kind of promote paranoia for both alignments (which isn't realistic tbh) and allowing mafia to counterclaim PR roles sort of easily. In reality, it meant every one claiming D1 and discussing mechanics for 48 hours instead of playing the game. This was an oversight on my part so I'll be more careful with semi-flipless in the future. I do intend to rerun this set-up with many changes, and I do have some the mechanics ironed down aleady.

Hosting was pretty swell at first, but I slowly got a bit overwhelmed with work, so since I didn't have pre-written flavor and thought I could BS my way through most days, it did make things a bit harder sometimes. Prods were usually initiated by other players, and I thank them again for helping me out. Shout-out to Bottlenose uwu, and cheers for UzayAltay giving me ISOs twice. We didn't have too many behavioural offenses, and I'm happy every one treated each other with respect after some mod intervention. I think if I host again, I'll have to prewrite a lot of stuff or request a co-host.

The game seemed really close to me where I doubted if mafia/town would win, but I think the Zorua [3cheers] lynch was where I knew that mafia had the game in the bag, even with a cob709 and jalandh lynch due to thedebil being universally townread and no one wondering why the universally townread person lived so long.

Thank you guys for playing.

[Fenraiser]

Here is how I would change this set-up:

1. Lover
2. Lover
3. Cop*
4. Citizen
5. Citizen
6. Citizen
7. Citizen
8. Citizen
9. Citizen
10. Indecisive Weak 2-Shot Bookie**
11. Goon
12. Goon

* Cop only returns one of three results: Power Role, Town, or Mafia. There is no investigative distinction with town or mafia power roles. Lovers and Bookies are considered PR roles.
** Bookie on a successful lynch guess attempt, gives their faction an additional night kill they have to use the following night. If bookie targets mafia members, they die.

Mechanics:

• Semi-Flipless:Lynches reveal full flips. Mafia night kills only flip alignment, and mafia is informed of the true roles.
• Factional Abilities: Mafia gain an additional night kill if the bookie is successful. All the mafia are multitasking.

Speculation:

• Massclaiming with the town PR roles early on is more advantageous to mafia than town.
• Lynches reveal full flips so town can have enough information in the game to solve.
• Mafia kills only reveal alignment so this rewards good night kill choices.
• Martyr's have been changed to lovers and the cop has changed to detect alignment or power roles in order to encourage caution from early cop claiming and have the cop actually try and sort power role results so they don't give mafia a 3-4KPN.
• Bookie is weak to discourage mafia lynching themselves for profit and I don't think mafia should be rewarded for bad play. The role is 2-shot to reduce swing.

Thanks all for playing again and feel free to give me some criticism please and let me know how you felt about this game and what I could change for you to make it better in the future.