@Wabbit I read through your wall on Dolphina and you did bring up many good points, the vote on me, Cenvil scum theory, and her Juck read.
Though, pretty much all the behavior listed as can be discounted as a combination of inexperience, stuborness and over emotional. Will have to look into it more.
If there's a plan for someone redirecting players into a veteran, may I remind you all redirector is occasionally a mafia role.
ZoruaLuhansk wrote:[murat1996/SparkingJayYT/Cenvil2] - Good V [] - Cool V [jucktropy] - Wooloo V [TheWabbit/HarperReed/heytheregirl17] [dolphina/dota2reporter/Taylork2/Crimson97] - Weh V [Kosmo16] [EvilDeanius0/polypies73/teamalex] - Noot [watchme1/cob709?] - Ech W
god tfw juck is your strongest V read
Kinda doomed game if ya ask if juck is your top v read outside of likely conf t
Few questions about your reads - What was about htg that puts them above weh V, same with crimson. Kosmo being slightly v cause they're vibing is basically saying that its nai, cob is essentially doing the same thing as kosmo so why is it scummy. Why was my read transitioned from N->ech W despite me not being on between the readslists you made
re: htg The read is this strong assuming the really are redirector (if not then weh) 1. they're likely redirector regardless of alignment if they meant redirector by their role 2. They locked themselves into said claim unnecessarily within an hour of SoD1 3. If they're wolf they threw away a powerful ability for ~nothing
re: kosmo/cob/crimson iirc kosmo has a string of coherent posts that may or may not have some reads I don't remember but they have been vibing in thread I commonly misread crimson so I went back and thought "If I was a town lhf entering thread at this time, what would I do" and it matched up really well cob just has this weird as hell string of posts that just don't make sense coming from any alignment?
re: watchme You were originally at null, but I moved you down to wolf-lean once I realized that I would rather stick on you than a lowposter so ig I realized you weren't really ever at null
If htg claimed redirector then fair enough, i mean you did a similar play in xx8 accidentally so maybe similar correlation?
kosmo read feels kinda horrid cause it doesn't really have much premise, i guess ill read them instead
crimson read kinda invalid since what people do is different for each person as said alignment
cob read is fair enough
the read on me is fair ig
Alright time to do some big brain plays. Since the game doesn't reveal the role list, we don't know anything. But Zorua said
cob just has this weird as hell string of posts that just don't make sense coming from any alignment?
How would he know the alignments that the game has? Therefore his point is invalid. This reveals that he is Mafia because he knows the game factions. Also, watchme also read this and agreed to it, without pointing this out. watchme also said
crimson read kinda invalid since what people do is different for each person as said alignment
if you were town, you wouldn't know the alignments. But you do? So does that mean you're not town? it must mean you have some sort of information to use to make these assumptions scum
I'd be very very very surprised if the game consisted of 1 alignment
taylork2 wrote:@Wabbit I read through your wall on Dolphina and you did bring up many good points, the vote on me, Cenvil scum theory, and her Juck read.
Though, pretty much all the behavior listed as can be discounted as a combination of inexperience, stuborness and over emotional. Will have to look into it more.
If there's a plan for someone redirecting players into a veteran, may I remind you all redirector is occasionally a mafia role.
THIS IS PROBABLY MAFIA! Think about it, the role list is hidden. That would mean we don't know anything about anyone or any roles. But somehow this guy knows that there's a redirector in this game? This must mean he is a part of the Mafia because he knows all the roles.
taylork2 wrote:if there's a plan for someone redirecting players into a veteran, may I remind you all redirector is occasionally a mafia role.
I willingly outed after the page 5 call by zorua losing that ability on a scumteam is a huge loss in equity I'm honestly fine with it outed because 1) lol protect me 2) I'm kinda retarded
Spoiler:
heytheregirl17 wrote:Y'all trust me when it comes to matters of protecting ourselves from aliens
I'm not sure whether that says more about me or you guys
taylork2 wrote:@Wabbit I read through your wall on Dolphina and you did bring up many good points, the vote on me, Cenvil scum theory, and her Juck read.
Though, pretty much all the behavior listed as can be discounted as a combination of inexperience, stuborness and over emotional. Will have to look into it more.
If there's a plan for someone redirecting players into a veteran, may I remind you all redirector is occasionally a mafia role.
THIS IS PROBABLY MAFIA! Think about it, the role list is hidden. That would mean we don't know anything about anyone or any roles. But somehow this guy knows that there's a redirector in this game? This must mean he is a part of the Mafia because he knows all the roles.
I Would like to scumread him but like this
Dark Wings Rise.
Spoiler:Ranked Elo 2500 Fav Town/NE Roles: Investigator,Jester,Jailor,Transporter,VampireHunter,Witch
watchme1 wrote:Confirmed town - Murat (ic) Confirmed if debil's lie detector shit is true - spark/cenvil Likely town - zorua (heavy emphasis on their approach to the game being rather towny), htg (redirector claim locks them as town, scum redirector claiming is heavily -ev and 3p witch equivalent for similar reasons) Null town - Dota (early sod1 posts we're decent, slanked a little as of late so they're not in ithe likely town but in null town), Wabbit (lowkey putting this here so i don't get a headache solving this slot in the future) Null - cob,teamalex, dolphina (they've made alot of posts which can be attributed to both noob town and panicing scum), HarperReed (the only post they've made which stood out was the one on zor which oppsoed it but that was it) , polypies, crimson,kosmo, EvilD Null Scum - taylork, juck (svs interaction)
Only association read I have for reference is if taylork flips scum, juck is liable to flip scum as well
Everyone in null either hasn't posted enough or they haven't posted things which are 'memorable' or stand out that would be ai so to speak
Your just bad that think me and taylork would do SvS On D1 Which makes me not trust your reads and think your the reason town will get mislead
I'm glad your not a complete potato Juck.
dolphina wrote:
TheWabbit wrote:
heytheregirl17 wrote:
TheWabbit wrote:and now you're dragging this into claiming
easy noobscum with the intent to scare me into backing off
i mean you just promised a vig shot it's the logical next step this is starting to look sketch
take this
they won't fucking budge without a proper case (and neither would any of the circlejerkers) i provided one
then i gave one
and all you get is "lol i did that didn't i? my bad xddd"
I change my mind pretty easily Faulty logic must be reevaluated Opinions must be able to fit the logical algorithm or they are discarded
What? This is coming from you? You've been acting extremely illogical this game.
teamalex wrote:Dolphina will never be attacked.
Their role is already rather sketchy for town and quite convinient so it really doesn't hurt to fullclaim.
You guys are willing to lynch me over a guy who's had like 10 posts and contributed NOTHING. Wabbit's going to vote me because he thinks I'm scum, that vote's staying on me. BUT HEAR ME OUT! If we lynch teamalex, this could confirm me as town, so we'd have 4 confirmed townies. Teamalex is likely scum trying to lynch me to get it over with. He also didn't reveal his role until AFTER I did. Teamalex is trying to take advantage over the fact I have fallen under suspicion and try to get a mislynch off.
Can we agree to vote teamalex, or am I gonna get lynched? Knowing my chances, I'll probably get lynched. If I do get lynched... rip you lost a townie
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watchme1 wrote:Confirmed town - Murat (ic) Confirmed if debil's lie detector shit is true - spark/cenvil Likely town - zorua (heavy emphasis on their approach to the game being rather towny), htg (redirector claim locks them as town, scum redirector claiming is heavily -ev and 3p witch equivalent for similar reasons) Null town - Dota (early sod1 posts we're decent, slanked a little as of late so they're not in ithe likely town but in null town), Wabbit (lowkey putting this here so i don't get a headache solving this slot in the future) Null - cob,teamalex, dolphina (they've made alot of posts which can be attributed to both noob town and panicing scum), HarperReed (the only post they've made which stood out was the one on zor which oppsoed it but that was it) , polypies, crimson,kosmo, EvilD Null Scum - taylork, juck (svs interaction)
Only association read I have for reference is if taylork flips scum, juck is liable to flip scum as well
Everyone in null either hasn't posted enough or they haven't posted things which are 'memorable' or stand out that would be ai so to speak
Your just bad that think me and taylork would do SvS On D1 Which makes me not trust your reads and think your the reason town will get mislead
I'm glad your not a complete potato Juck.
dolphina wrote:
TheWabbit wrote:
heytheregirl17 wrote:
TheWabbit wrote:and now you're dragging this into claiming
easy noobscum with the intent to scare me into backing off
i mean you just promised a vig shot it's the logical next step this is starting to look sketch
take this
they won't fucking budge without a proper case (and neither would any of the circlejerkers) i provided one
then i gave one
and all you get is "lol i did that didn't i? my bad xddd"
I change my mind pretty easily Faulty logic must be reevaluated Opinions must be able to fit the logical algorithm or they are discarded
What? This is coming from you? You've been acting extremely illogical this game.
teamalex wrote:Dolphina will never be attacked.
Their role is already rather sketchy for town and quite convinient so it really doesn't hurt to fullclaim.
Entirely correct.
i mean my one mistake doesn't mean that I don't understand
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I have listed all my role's abilities prior to teamalex's reveal. Need a refresher?
1. My role is called Simon Lewis. 2. If I am attacked, I will kill my attackers instead. 3. After doing so, I will lose my ability (number 2), and I will not be able to be protected. (Aka TPs cannot protect me.)
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Yeah Dolphina shoudl fullclaim at this point. They've done this to themselves, for no reason.
Dolphina might be scum honestly. Probably one of the best lynches today.
My top lynches right now are 1. Dolphina 2/3. Kosmo 2/3. Watchme
dolphina wrote:GUYS I'M GONNA GET LYNCHED
/vote teamalex
Now in my eyes this lunch is confirmed
Dolphina, even if your a town member, with your behavior your a net negative to the town's longtime survival.
Wait isn't Town supposed to go for evils instead of Townies? Have you read the entire conversation? Did you even see my claims? You're immediately jumping to a conclusion.
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I'm kind of panicking since I was supposed to bait evils onto me and I guess it might have worked a little too well? This is my first time being a wagon I don't know what to do can someone help?????
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Sigh, Dolphina calm down. Take it from me, having 2-4 players that will always trying to push your lynch isn't something you should worry about. Stop acting crazy and make logical arguments, even if those arguments are fueled by emotion.
Let's start with a question, why would you start claiming against Wabbit. Quote a post or two if it helps.
Explain your reasoning for your actions thusfar, in full.
read it or not, i don't give a fuck the majority can't read past a single paragraph anyway
Spoiler:#37 banked mostly on a gray area, which is why I was really reluctant on revealing the thought process behind it. It's based mostly on pre-game logistics: dolphina had all the time to ask about why there's no posted rolelist when XX9 did. Joining earlier than others, they had all the liberty to examine the signups OP for game information—more so to ask about uncertainties. It's heavily circumstantial and relies on potentially illegal and/or unreliable methodology, which is why I voted without explaining why on #310. That makes the entire premise exploratory in nature. I needed better grounds in reading dolphina.
I'll discount their posts on #47 and #59 as they're banter, which is common by the time they were posted. However, their post on #70 had terrible delivery, ending up as forced. While it's perfectly reasonable for Town to make similar commentary, the post had a passive tone, as if weary of fast tempo. It's still not enough ground to push them as said behavior is common for newcomers.
Though of little importance, they implicitly metaread heytheregirl17 as scum on #77, though quickly rescinding on #85 despite zero outside interaction about the read. The sequence ended at #107, with them metareading heytheregirl17 as town based on their XX9 play. My statement of w!dolphina -> w!heytheregirl17 at #340 stands due to the hasty movement of their read on heytheregirl17. I'm not expounding on their read on jucktropy for obvious reasons, but their metaread on jucktropy (originally a behavior read on #103-#104) at #114 is suggestive of outside knowledge. It's more of a tinfoil than actual basis to read them wolf, though it clears dolphina/jucktropy as not w/w. This is regarded despite their comment on #126, with faulty reasoning as to why said person is town.
#138 echoes what SparkingJayYT has mentioned about ZoruaLuhansk (#127 and #135). The main difference is that they've commented on ZoruaLuhansk's reads (which is basically a town hierarchy of some sort, barring watchme); their reasoning to ZoruaLuhansk being town due to the reads is erroneous—the mention of adding more people is baseless as the majority of people that checked-in were included in the list one way or another, and that it rides with preconceived knowledge of who is town or scum:
they might put more people on it and rank scums higher and town lower
How does a townie know who is mafia and who's not in that situation? lilgangsta hasn't checked in to proceed with their lie detector claim (first post is #142) to try and cop two people early on. dolphina has only expressed townreads on their posts prior to this comment on ZoruaLuhansk, so there's no sign of clashing reads. Only exception is the placement of heytheregirl17, which is implied to be placed at least a tier higher. I've yet to discern what this says about ZoruaLuhansk and everyone's placement on their reads, but dolphina's commentary is so out of line to their thought process in the previous posts.
Without diving deep into the presented context, their scumread on Cenvil2 at #150 was repulsive behavior. Cenvil2's ground was solidly reprimanding dolphina's view of collective player mentality, including the mention that jucktropy isn't a newcomer. It was asking if that "new" knowledge affects their view of jucktropy, which was holding onto the premise that jucktropy is a newcomer like them. dolphina just responded to the query with a vote, refusing fluidity (despite attempting to sound fluid) and strawmanned Cenvil2's question. Recall that their entire argument on jucktropy lies on the assumption that jucktropy is a noob (#103 and #126). They refuse to accept new information that severely affects their existing judgements. Cenvil2 wasn't straying away from dolphina's main point that jucktropy is noobtown. They're challenging dolphina's read because the assumptions behind it are false. They retain their erroneous read on jucktropy on #157. I've expressed doubt on SparkingJayYT's not w/w read on dolphina/Cenvil2 on #373 because the interaction was basic and shallow.
Butchering the term "angleshooting" multiple times is NAI but the way they're using that to reject lilgangsta's proposition to check two people for their alignment at D1 doesn't show town motivation at all. Counterargument is that you can dismiss it as they're a noob. I'm not liking the pattern on how dolphina was received on XX9 and this game. There was succinct doubt about dolphina's alignment that game (primarily from dota2reporter) but lacked ad nauseam for dolphina being a noob, but then the resistance here was at least threefold. Why is there a sudden shift of focal points? They're regarded as easy town (though others may have just sheeped my read on dolphina on XX9) and pretty much ignored the rest of the game—with little mention that dolphina is noobtown. Now we're getting an onslaught of "dolphina is noobtown, you're wrong" as if they suddenly mattered.
#157, #161 and the likes are just tunnel vision furthered by bias, still retaining their toptown jucktropy read on #167. There's nothing much to expound on this as it's merely surface level, given that lilgangsta checked Cenvil2 green. Only doubt is if Cenvil2 is exactly Mafia with knowledge that the game is a multiball (hence lack of neutrals) but Occam's razor suggests that's not the case. There's also that redundant question about the purpose of a lie detector, in an attempt to shield themselves from looking frozen about the quick progression of the game due to lilgangsta's checks. A few posts were wasted dwelling about this. Only takeaway is their echo of v!lilgansta, which is already obvious given lilgangsta's belligerence to get two people immediately checked. Still proceeds to tunnel Cenvil2 despite a greencheck from lilgangsta, insisting that they're Mafia with detection immunity (#231). I'm wary of them both as the tunnel is starting to look like an excuse to indulge themselves as producing toptier content. Has little ground for this part, but the thought process is similar to UzayAltay as scum in VFM70—make yourself busy by nitpicking a specific small group and make your other facets barely passable.
As I already mentioned on #412, #248 shows avoidance by voting a nonposter. They've reluctantly dropped the read due to absurdity, but the vote transfer is awry. As town, you'd just remove your vote when you have no remaining suspicions. They just parked their vote on taylork, which is completely hollow and has nothing to achieve but agenda. Given that they've progressed past RVS, sudden regression doesn't look like a valid coping strategy in response to rescinding a vote on someone you're fervorous to. Their thought process dipped to dark with the vote as well. Why would v!dolphina suddenly move their vote to a nonposter as means of unvoting Cenvil2? It only makes sense if it's a random vote or if it has ulterior motives. I already explained how it doesn't make sense to be a random vote, leaving the latter as the closest explanation. I'm discounting the meme on #254, but it still doesn't justify the progression into taylork.
Here comes the part where they OMGUS'ed me.
#324 shows annoyance in the vote towards them, followed by the OMGUS vote at #325. The likes of dota2reporter argue that it is "perfectly normal behavior" for a noobtown to OMGUS someone who pressures them. That holds some merit, but it ONLY applies to built-up pressure that went on overtime, not sudden and hollow suspicion. I've only expressed w!dolphina with little to no explanation at this point of the game, and they've overreacted to it. With that, they proceeded to AtE that they'll quit FM if I end up successfully lynching them (#342), subsequently shading me on #352. Getting pugnacious over small matters, then threatening to stop playing the game just because you received pressure? There's this grand premise of townreading almost everyone who checked in at #360 sans me, calling me scummy, and I'm objectively the best lynch for the day. I'm scummy because of what? I interacted with a fragile snowflake? They get opposition in the onslaught of "dolphina is noobtown"? Don't get me started with this scumfuckery. They seem to be too comfortable being called noobtown as well. Opportunistic and wolfy.
Oh wait. Nevermind. #362 says the AtE is all but one big fucking joke! While I agree that their entire play this game is a joke, they're trying to play it off as snarky sarcasm. Even a first grader will be able to tell they're being sappy. Empty threats that they're taking note of the interactions but have released nothing that suggests such. Everything's surface level including their reads. Fuck, even Cenvil2's nitpick on their read on jucktropy barely changed dolphina's perception of the idiot. Ignoring ZoruaLuhansk's faulty reasoning as to why dolphina's exhibiting noobtown behavior, they're resorting to other people butting in hopes to chainsaw defend. dolphina returns with the response:
This is why you're in my towncore
Come on. This is just circlejerking. You're incentivizing people to defend you in exchange for townreads. Don't give me this bullshit.
#410 continues with ad misericordiam and producing strawman arguments. To quote:
TheWabbit wrote:all the posts i've read about dolphina so far are either IIoA or shallow analysis not counting the foresight AtE and OMGUS on recent pages
dolphina wrote:This is my second game don't expect top tier reads I'm scum to you because you're analyzing me as a better player than I am Y'all are doing that to an extent and it pressures me to do better and it makes games less fun
NOTHING about my post insists that for dolphina to be town they have to provide toptier reads. My post only stipulates that I find them wolfy because their viewpoint of the game is extremely shallow and minutiae. There was nothing about it about demanding a 100-page dissertation that intricately analyzes each individual player, their respective posts, their interactions and synergies with other people, with explicit mention of mafia theory and/or psychosocial approach. It was merely criticism that you're barely dishing out effort. But of course, you're trying your best, right? You're doing your best to conform to what the other idiots categorize as noobtown behavior, utilizing circlejerking as means to incentivize people in doing so, and ultimately trying to shrug off accusation in an overtly conspicuous manner so people will think it's just antics.
#423 is peak stupidity. You think an empty vote on a nonposter will make them contribute? Land three fucking votes on EvilDeanius0. They won't act deliberate. It's also hypocritical, don't you think? I voted you to try and get a clearer picture of your alignment. Then you call me scum. I'll also call you scum for trying to """""""""""""""pressure""""""""""""""" taylork.
I'm not gonna do the rest of their posts because it's the same pattern: be bashful of my posts, circlejerk people who view you favorably, act like a fucking crybaby who has never taken in criticism before, then resort to """""ignoring""""" my slot and asks everyone else to do the same. There's the shallow continuation of their readslist that follows the pattern I already mentioned throughout this wall.
Try to ignore this, fucker. I'm a dayvig with added restrictions in shooting. Continue whining and you'll drop dead.
Imagine being a newcomer and get cased by Wabbit in your second game. I doubt wolf!Wabbit puts this much effort into pushing an LHF, only other time I have seen an extensive case like this was from another villa game. #1) Yeah I agree with that and why it felt disingenuous to me that after all that time only now they mention it, yet I see the benefits worth reaping from pretending to not know that a rolelist doesn't exist till that point. #2)Eh don't think it holds much water #3)Their logic was flawed since believing that town was more likely to meme. I'm going to assume that's the entire progression of their read on HTG which looks very inconsistent and lacking of any thought processes. Also for their hard chainsaw defence on Juck against taylork #4)Acknowledged #5)That just seems to be a basic analysis of a wolf's mindset behind where they would place town/wolves in a readslist. #6)iirc, their refusal to trust Cenvil as town even after the LD check on the off-chance that Cenvil was detection immune and voting them for that was strange behaviour #7)It goes either way, desperate attempts to prevent an additional 2 IC's doesn't seem more likelier than being confused on why Debil required people telling them their wincon. I can discount Dolphina's act as trying to stop people from angleshooting off their rolecards.
Reading the rest later, but seems reminiscent to how you pushed Potato in VFM69.
dolphina wrote:I have listed all my role's abilities prior to teamalex's reveal. Need a refresher?
1. My role is called Simon Lewis. 2. If I am attacked, I will kill my attackers instead. 3. After doing so, I will lose my ability (number 2), and I will not be able to be protected. (Aka TPs cannot protect me.)
yes ok yeah haha I know this seems like panicking scum right??? now people are going to vote me more haha I'm gonna get lynched I'm gonna get lynched -
ok. I have to figure this out. Taylork could be scum, seeing as she jumped immediately onto teamalex's side. Sparking is hesitant as who to vote. He wants to make the right decision. Maybe if I wait, teamalex will get lynched. I really shouldn't have posted so much. Maybe if I made less rash decisions, I wouldn't be a target for a mislynch. It's fine. Town will still have majority, and a scum could be outed. It's fine...
At first, I was just in the heat of the moment with Wabbit. I didn't want to get lynched, as I am a PR role. I called him out as susp, even though in hindsight it really wasn't a good decision. I kept doing what I thought was right in the moment, but it was stupid and I'm stupid and I'm not worth I shouldn't have made those decisions. So, I made some really bad decisions. I acknowledge that. However, I am trying, and I'm trying to find some scum. Let's start with teamalex, shall we?
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