XX9 | Echoes of games | Town Wins!

[EvilDeanius0]

Are we sure dota was TP though

I mean they softed really hard

Hypothetically its possible we're all good

[JacksonVirgo]

This is a win win scenario regardless. Lookout can be on the doc and doc on LO. Lynch a doc claim today. Shoot the other if real, check debil.

This should cover nearly all bases. If debil is clear the scum is sparking. Lemme know if I am missing something

[JacksonVirgo]

Hypothetically is possible one is fake. That defence is useless

[JacksonVirgo]

How do we know you’re not just claiming doc to get one chance to attack the doctor since LO isn’t a threat if you’re dead anyway

[Cenvil2]

D1 - sither (pr soft) -> HTG (pr claim)-> Jackson (flat out cit claim then a vet claim as a joke) -> me (tk claim at last minute)
D2 - Cenvil (cop claim with red check)
D3 - Spark (cit)-> Debil (cit 2 posts after spark if it matters) -> htg with full lo claim 3 or so posts after -> jackson hard claiming cit again just in case -> evilD (cit) -> sither (pr again) -> uzay (cit claim few posts after sither claims pr again just in case) -> cmit (claims doc) -> Sither (claims he lied about pr claim and is now cit) - > Evil changes their claim.

I Don't trust ED's claim.
Specially that they claimed cit AFTER HTG but BEFORE cmit.
Their plan (of proving both of them as TP) makes no sense this way.
They could not possible known that Cmit will claim TP.

[EvilDeanius0]

They could not possible known that Cmit will claim TP.[/quote]

How do we know you’re not just claiming doc to get one chance to attack the doctor since LO isn’t a threat if you’re dead anyway

Feel free to make your own plan here, but if we confirm all PRs with LO and 1 or 2 TPs, we're set

D1 - sither (pr soft) -> HTG (pr claim)-> Jackson (flat out cit claim then a vet claim as a joke) -> me (tk claim at last minute)
D2 - Cenvil (cop claim with red check)
D3 - Spark (cit)-> Debil (cit 2 posts after spark if it matters) -> htg with full lo claim 3 or so posts after -> jackson hard claiming cit again just in case -> evilD (cit) -> sither (pr again) -> uzay (cit claim few posts after sither claims pr again just in case) -> cmit (claims doc) -> Sither (claims he lied about pr claim and is now cit) - > Evil changes their claim.

I Don't trust ED's claim.
Specially that they claimed cit AFTER HTG but BEFORE cmit.
Their plan (of proving both of them as TP) makes no sense this way.
It wasn't the plan originally, I was just going to hide and wait if there was a TP claim. If there wasn't, scum would have to risk attacking PRs with a hidden TP

[EvilDeanius0]

How do we know you’re not just claiming doc to get one chance to attack the doctor since LO isn’t a threat if you’re dead anyway

Feel free to make your own plan here, but if we confirm all PRs with LO and 1 or 2 TPs, we're set

D1 - sither (pr soft) -> HTG (pr claim)-> Jackson (flat out cit claim then a vet claim as a joke) -> me (tk claim at last minute)
D2 - Cenvil (cop claim with red check)
D3 - Spark (cit)-> Debil (cit 2 posts after spark if it matters) -> htg with full lo claim 3 or so posts after -> jackson hard claiming cit again just in case -> evilD (cit) -> sither (pr again) -> uzay (cit claim few posts after sither claims pr again just in case) -> cmit (claims doc) -> Sither (claims he lied about pr claim and is now cit) - > Evil changes their claim.

I Don't trust ED's claim.
Specially that they claimed cit AFTER HTG but BEFORE cmit.
Their plan (of proving both of them as TP) makes no sense this way.
They could not possible known that Cmit will claim TP.

It wasn't the plan originally, I was just going to hide and wait if there was a TP claim. If there wasn't, scum would have to risk attacking PRs with a hidden TP

[JacksonVirgo]

Honestly your plan was essentially wasting all PRs to just confirm one person instead of many.

[JacksonVirgo]

I think we could very easily just win with my plan above

[EvilDeanius0]

I think we could very easily just win with my plan above

But what if both TPs are legit

[JacksonVirgo]

I think we could very easily just win with my plan above

But what if both TPs are legit

Doubtful but I’ll spare the braincells when I get home

[Cenvil2]

There is one problem with ED's claim.

We never asked sub-alignment from them. They only had to claim PR/cit when they had to claim. (The whole D3 conversation was all about that.)

They claimed cit, and changed their claim when it was convinient to do so. (Technically, he could not known, if TP will be claimed or not at the moment of their cit claims.)

[watchme1]

There is one problem with ED's claim.

We never asked sub-alignment from them. They only had to claim PR/cit when they had to claim. (The whole D3 conversation was all about that.)

They claimed cit, and changed their claim when it was convinient to do so. (Technically, he could not known, if TP will be claimed or not at the moment of their cit claims.)

That's the main crux of the issue here.

EvilD just claimed cit between cit/pr not tp/ts etc.

Which is why their argument has holes in it

If that's the case I'll just shoot sparking instead even though it feels rather -ev

[EvilDeanius0]

There is one problem with ED's claim.

We never asked sub-alignment from them. They only had to claim PR/cit when they had to claim. (The whole D3 conversation was all about that.)

They claimed cit, and changed their claim when it was convinient to do so. (Technically, he could not known, if TP will be claimed or not at the moment of their cit claims.)

If I claim PR, I'm a potential TP.

I wanted mafia to either believe a different TP claim if there was one, attack a PR thinking that there's no TP left, know that a TP is hiding in the cit claims, making them choose between risking an attack or killing off cit claims to find them.

[Cenvil2]

Which plan falls apart (again) when you realize that mafia knows dota's sub-alligment, but town does not.

Your plans and excuses are just convulated before the claims AND convinient after the claims.

[Cenvil2]

Also why you did not think mafia will think Flake is TP?
Why you did not think Flake is TP?

[UzayAltay]

@ED why did you went dota both nights?

[watchme1]

Either way

Town Killing - watchme (vig)
Town Protective - cmit (doc)
Town Investigate - cenvil (cop)
Random Town - htg (l/o)
Random Town - evilD (doc)
Random Town - dota (TP )
Citizen - dolphina
Citizen - hellosither
Citizen - Jackson
Citizen - Uzay/debil/spark

Mafia Head - uzay/debil/spark
Mafia Tactical - uzay/debil/spark
Random Mafia - Michael (Consig)
Random Mafia - Murat (Janitor)

Neutral Evil - wabbit (rolestopper)

[watchme1]

claiming tp either way doesn't matter, it occupies the rt slot either way we'll know if evilD's lying or not

[Cenvil2]

Also why you did not think mafia will think Flake is TP?
Why you did not think Flake is TP?

/vote Evild
Their claim is convinient at this point of the game.

But makes sense only from one POV at the point of their cit claim. Which knew Flake is not PR. (Might I remind you all that mafia had potentially 2 consig at N1, and at least one? )

[JacksonVirgo]

I still think cmitc is scum of evild isn’t but that’s just asking if RT is cit or not

[watchme1]

I still think cmitc is scum of evild isn’t but that’s just asking if RT is cit or not

what's the chances both tps are legit

[watchme1]

ugh theoretically im thinking cuting the cit pool poe is the better play here

[Cenvil2]

Also why you did not think mafia will think Flake is TP?
Why you did not think Flake is TP?

/vote Evild
Their claim is convinient at this point of the game.

But makes sense only from one POV at the point of their cit claim. Which knew Flake is not PR. (Might I remind you all that mafia had potentially 2 consig at N1, and at least one? )

Same can go for Cmit tbh, at the point of their claim, only Flake did not claim yet.

I still think cmitc is scum of evild isn’t but that’s just asking if RT is cit or not

what's the chances both tps are legit

Low, but not zero.

[EvilDeanius0]

Which plan falls apart (again) when you realize that mafia knows dota's sub-alligment, but town does not.

Your plans and excuses are just convulated before the claims AND convinient after the claims.

That's literally the point.

If Dota is TP and there's no other TP claim, they attack Cenvil/Watchme, thinking its safe to do so.
If Dota is TP and there's a TP claim, they probably attack them.
If Dota is not TP and there's a TP claim, they probably attack them.
If Dota is not TP and there's no other TP claim, they know a Cit is TP, and they have to either risking attacking an outed town, or pick off the cit claims

@ED why did you went dota both nights?

Because I thought they'd be attacked