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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 1

Postby polypies73 » Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:18 pm

lemonader666 wrote: Spoiler:
TheWabbit wrote:
cob709 wrote:I think either poly, scarred, or hello is scum.
It's really easy to create a list D1 and point fingers, especially at me.
You're pretty much moving attention towards a specific group of people to poe, hoping everyone else agrees with you.

Introduction and Mechanics


First of all, welcome to NFM. Some of you have already played before, while others are brand new, so I'll try to keep this simple.
Forum Mafia, or FM in short, is a game about deception between the two main factions: The uninformed majority (town) and the informed minority (mafia) duking it out. Logic, mind games, etc. are all part and usual of mafia.

Town and Mafia both have pretty straight-forward win conditions: eliminate the opposite team. While the mafia has the opportunity to kill periodically, the town cannot rely on their own killing roles to win the game - for that, they must vote to kill a player by "lynch".

The game is divided in two phases: the Day, and the Night.

  • Day is when the players post on the game thread, discussing about what happened during the night, other players and who should be voted for the lynch. The days last 120 hours (5 real-life days) and lynches are allowed, these which will occur after the majority has been reached. To vote, just post "/vote PlayerNameExample". When a player reaches majority, they are automatically lynched, there is no trial phase. When a player is lynched, they are immediately removed from the game, with their role being shown to the public.
  • The latter is a 48-hour period where any player who has a night action may use it. **During this phase the Mafia privately talks on their mafia chat. After the 48 hours are over, all actions are carried out, and the personal results of this phase shall be privately messaged (PM'd) to each player.

**There are no whispers present in this game.
**There are no last wills or death notes in this game.
**Jailor may not roll in this set-up.


The game will only end once one of the major factions fulfills their condition.

PM Protocols
When sending the host the information below, make sure one of the following is in the subject line:
For sending me Night actions or whatever, include "NFM61" in the subject line, it would also help if you included "Night Action" for your actions

Mafia Killing Revamp is in play: Meaning - Any member of the Mafia may sacrifice their night action to make the factional kill at night.
------

Terminology

General terms:
Role Card: The PM which contains the player's role, alignment and abilities.
Hard Claim: Directly stating one's own role on the game thread.
Soft Claim: Hinting one's role without explicity stating it. For instance, saying "there are alot of people that are more important than me" may imply that you are softclaiming citizen. Make sure you have a plan in mind before attempting this.
Counter Claim (CC): Making a claim which directly contradicts someone else's. E.g Player A hardclaims Citizen, but Player B is a Lookout who saw them visiting, so they hardclaim and bring up their evidence.
Fake Claim: Claiming a role which is not their own's. E.g When a mafia member is demanded to hardclaim, they almost always fakeclaim instead.
Scum/Scummy: Scum is the name given to any role which doesn't win with town, and needs to be eliminated for town's win condition. Being scummy means adopting a behaviour which doesn't line up with the behaviour expected from a town member.
Confirmed: Being 100% confirmed as a certain [role]/[alignment].
No Lynch: Instead of voting for a player, you may also "/vote No Lynch". If majority reaches on a No Lynch, no player is killed. A No Lynch will also occur when the amount of time for the Day phase is over and majority hasn't been reached. No Lynching is, the majority of the time, benefitial to scum, so aiming towards it is generally scummy.
Reads/Reading: The read you have on a player is the conclusion about their alignment and/or role through their posts or other factors. If player X posts things that look like their a mafia member, you have a scumread on them!
WIFOM: WIFOM is the circular reasoning that results from trying to determine the choices of an opponent who acted with full knowledge that their behavior would be subject to scrutiny. For instance, if you think player Y wouldn't kill Z because Z townreads Y, but then realize that may well be a reason that Y would kill Z: to make people think Y isn't a mafia member, you've stumbled on WIFOM. Tread lightly.
Mislynch: An incorrect lynch on a town member.
Tunneling: Solely focusing on a player and their posts, ignoring others. Often considered scummy.
Game Throwing: Playing against your win condition with the intent of making your own faction lose. Extremely subjective term not to be taken lightly.


Slightly more uncommon terms:
FoS - Finger of Suspicion. Putting the Finger of Suspicion onto a player means that one is calling that player scummy and saying that other players should keep an eye on that player. [Alt. Hand of Suspicion (HoS)]
LyLo - Lynch or Lose. A stage in the game where town must lynch scum or they lose. See also: MyLo.
MyLo - Mislynch and Lose. A stage in the game where if town mislynches (lynches town) and the Mafia make a kill town loses.
PoE - Process of Elimination.
OMGUS - "oh my god you suck". An acronym used to describe retaliatory actions such as votes. Ex: voting a player because they voted you citing the reason "because they are stupid".
PbPA - Post by Post Analysis. Analyzing a player's posts in succession, typically associated with ISO.
ISO - Isolation. Looking at a player's total posts in a game, in succession.

For a more complete list, feel free to look here.

------

Playing as Town

While Mafia can talk strategy during the night, the town needs to use the day phase to discuss and figure out who is and isn't town as well. What can you do, then?
Try to look for posts that feel scummy, ask and answer questions other players have made, try to see which intentions a player has behind their posts, be active and post what you think of other players regularly. Avoid plays which could benefit scum instead (e.g Hardclaiming for no reason, fakeclaiming), and try your best to think for yourself - it's a common mistake to follow blindly whatever other players have to say.
Townies have no reason to lie and should never do it, in NFM. Spotting a lie can be almost as sure as spotting a mafia itself.

And be sure to read ObiWan's guide about playing as Citizen.

Playing as Mafia

As scum, you should play exactly like you would as town - be active, post reads, try to look productive, etc. The difference here are your goals: Hiding information, misleading the town and stalling out long enough until they no longer outnumber you. This means appearing as scum-hunting, but in actuality pushing for a mislynch by questioning, false reading and trying to depict a player as scum. However, keep in mind that if a teammate is acting undeniably scummy and their lynch looks like the right call, try not to oppose it too obviously - or it could be tracked back to you.
And remember: you are a team, and thus communication is essential. Try to talk over every situation so you can plan in advance.

FM Academy has further guidance to playing scum.

Golden Rules:
Don't claim Neutral.
Don't be inactive.
Remember what your goals are at all times.
Don't panic if you commit a mistake, but try to work your way around it.
Have fun. It's a game, after all.

totally didn't make this post to get the image

Nice shade, this really enforces my point.


how is that shade he's like actually trying to help
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 1

Postby TheWabbit » Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:21 pm

lemonader666 wrote: Spoiler:
TheWabbit wrote:
cob709 wrote:I think either poly, scarred, or hello is scum.
It's really easy to create a list D1 and point fingers, especially at me.
You're pretty much moving attention towards a specific group of people to poe, hoping everyone else agrees with you.

Introduction and Mechanics


First of all, welcome to NFM. Some of you have already played before, while others are brand new, so I'll try to keep this simple.
Forum Mafia, or FM in short, is a game about deception between the two main factions: The uninformed majority (town) and the informed minority (mafia) duking it out. Logic, mind games, etc. are all part and usual of mafia.

Town and Mafia both have pretty straight-forward win conditions: eliminate the opposite team. While the mafia has the opportunity to kill periodically, the town cannot rely on their own killing roles to win the game - for that, they must vote to kill a player by "lynch".

The game is divided in two phases: the Day, and the Night.

  • Day is when the players post on the game thread, discussing about what happened during the night, other players and who should be voted for the lynch. The days last 120 hours (5 real-life days) and lynches are allowed, these which will occur after the majority has been reached. To vote, just post "/vote PlayerNameExample". When a player reaches majority, they are automatically lynched, there is no trial phase. When a player is lynched, they are immediately removed from the game, with their role being shown to the public.
  • The latter is a 48-hour period where any player who has a night action may use it. **During this phase the Mafia privately talks on their mafia chat. After the 48 hours are over, all actions are carried out, and the personal results of this phase shall be privately messaged (PM'd) to each player.

**There are no whispers present in this game.
**There are no last wills or death notes in this game.
**Jailor may not roll in this set-up.


The game will only end once one of the major factions fulfills their condition.

PM Protocols
When sending the host the information below, make sure one of the following is in the subject line:
For sending me Night actions or whatever, include "NFM61" in the subject line, it would also help if you included "Night Action" for your actions

Mafia Killing Revamp is in play: Meaning - Any member of the Mafia may sacrifice their night action to make the factional kill at night.
------

Terminology

General terms:
Role Card: The PM which contains the player's role, alignment and abilities.
Hard Claim: Directly stating one's own role on the game thread.
Soft Claim: Hinting one's role without explicity stating it. For instance, saying "there are alot of people that are more important than me" may imply that you are softclaiming citizen. Make sure you have a plan in mind before attempting this.
Counter Claim (CC): Making a claim which directly contradicts someone else's. E.g Player A hardclaims Citizen, but Player B is a Lookout who saw them visiting, so they hardclaim and bring up their evidence.
Fake Claim: Claiming a role which is not their own's. E.g When a mafia member is demanded to hardclaim, they almost always fakeclaim instead.
Scum/Scummy: Scum is the name given to any role which doesn't win with town, and needs to be eliminated for town's win condition. Being scummy means adopting a behaviour which doesn't line up with the behaviour expected from a town member.
Confirmed: Being 100% confirmed as a certain [role]/[alignment].
No Lynch: Instead of voting for a player, you may also "/vote No Lynch". If majority reaches on a No Lynch, no player is killed. A No Lynch will also occur when the amount of time for the Day phase is over and majority hasn't been reached. No Lynching is, the majority of the time, benefitial to scum, so aiming towards it is generally scummy.
Reads/Reading: The read you have on a player is the conclusion about their alignment and/or role through their posts or other factors. If player X posts things that look like their a mafia member, you have a scumread on them!
WIFOM: WIFOM is the circular reasoning that results from trying to determine the choices of an opponent who acted with full knowledge that their behavior would be subject to scrutiny. For instance, if you think player Y wouldn't kill Z because Z townreads Y, but then realize that may well be a reason that Y would kill Z: to make people think Y isn't a mafia member, you've stumbled on WIFOM. Tread lightly.
Mislynch: An incorrect lynch on a town member.
Tunneling: Solely focusing on a player and their posts, ignoring others. Often considered scummy.
Game Throwing: Playing against your win condition with the intent of making your own faction lose. Extremely subjective term not to be taken lightly.


Slightly more uncommon terms:
FoS - Finger of Suspicion. Putting the Finger of Suspicion onto a player means that one is calling that player scummy and saying that other players should keep an eye on that player. [Alt. Hand of Suspicion (HoS)]
LyLo - Lynch or Lose. A stage in the game where town must lynch scum or they lose. See also: MyLo.
MyLo - Mislynch and Lose. A stage in the game where if town mislynches (lynches town) and the Mafia make a kill town loses.
PoE - Process of Elimination.
OMGUS - "oh my god you suck". An acronym used to describe retaliatory actions such as votes. Ex: voting a player because they voted you citing the reason "because they are stupid".
PbPA - Post by Post Analysis. Analyzing a player's posts in succession, typically associated with ISO.
ISO - Isolation. Looking at a player's total posts in a game, in succession.

For a more complete list, feel free to look here.

------

Playing as Town

While Mafia can talk strategy during the night, the town needs to use the day phase to discuss and figure out who is and isn't town as well. What can you do, then?
Try to look for posts that feel scummy, ask and answer questions other players have made, try to see which intentions a player has behind their posts, be active and post what you think of other players regularly. Avoid plays which could benefit scum instead (e.g Hardclaiming for no reason, fakeclaiming), and try your best to think for yourself - it's a common mistake to follow blindly whatever other players have to say.
Townies have no reason to lie and should never do it, in NFM. Spotting a lie can be almost as sure as spotting a mafia itself.

And be sure to read ObiWan's guide about playing as Citizen.

Playing as Mafia

As scum, you should play exactly like you would as town - be active, post reads, try to look productive, etc. The difference here are your goals: Hiding information, misleading the town and stalling out long enough until they no longer outnumber you. This means appearing as scum-hunting, but in actuality pushing for a mislynch by questioning, false reading and trying to depict a player as scum. However, keep in mind that if a teammate is acting undeniably scummy and their lynch looks like the right call, try not to oppose it too obviously - or it could be tracked back to you.
And remember: you are a team, and thus communication is essential. Try to talk over every situation so you can plan in advance.

FM Academy has further guidance to playing scum.

Golden Rules:
Don't claim Neutral.
Don't be inactive.
Remember what your goals are at all times.
Don't panic if you commit a mistake, but try to work your way around it.
Have fun. It's a game, after all.

totally didn't make this post to get the image

Nice shade, this really enforces my point.

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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 1

Postby polypies73 » Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:23 pm

TheWabbit wrote:
lemonader666 wrote: Spoiler:
TheWabbit wrote:
cob709 wrote:I think either poly, scarred, or hello is scum.
It's really easy to create a list D1 and point fingers, especially at me.
You're pretty much moving attention towards a specific group of people to poe, hoping everyone else agrees with you.

Introduction and Mechanics


First of all, welcome to NFM. Some of you have already played before, while others are brand new, so I'll try to keep this simple.
Forum Mafia, or FM in short, is a game about deception between the two main factions: The uninformed majority (town) and the informed minority (mafia) duking it out. Logic, mind games, etc. are all part and usual of mafia.

Town and Mafia both have pretty straight-forward win conditions: eliminate the opposite team. While the mafia has the opportunity to kill periodically, the town cannot rely on their own killing roles to win the game - for that, they must vote to kill a player by "lynch".

The game is divided in two phases: the Day, and the Night.

  • Day is when the players post on the game thread, discussing about what happened during the night, other players and who should be voted for the lynch. The days last 120 hours (5 real-life days) and lynches are allowed, these which will occur after the majority has been reached. To vote, just post "/vote PlayerNameExample". When a player reaches majority, they are automatically lynched, there is no trial phase. When a player is lynched, they are immediately removed from the game, with their role being shown to the public.
  • The latter is a 48-hour period where any player who has a night action may use it. **During this phase the Mafia privately talks on their mafia chat. After the 48 hours are over, all actions are carried out, and the personal results of this phase shall be privately messaged (PM'd) to each player.

**There are no whispers present in this game.
**There are no last wills or death notes in this game.
**Jailor may not roll in this set-up.


The game will only end once one of the major factions fulfills their condition.

PM Protocols
When sending the host the information below, make sure one of the following is in the subject line:
For sending me Night actions or whatever, include "NFM61" in the subject line, it would also help if you included "Night Action" for your actions

Mafia Killing Revamp is in play: Meaning - Any member of the Mafia may sacrifice their night action to make the factional kill at night.
------

Terminology

General terms:
Role Card: The PM which contains the player's role, alignment and abilities.
Hard Claim: Directly stating one's own role on the game thread.
Soft Claim: Hinting one's role without explicity stating it. For instance, saying "there are alot of people that are more important than me" may imply that you are softclaiming citizen. Make sure you have a plan in mind before attempting this.
Counter Claim (CC): Making a claim which directly contradicts someone else's. E.g Player A hardclaims Citizen, but Player B is a Lookout who saw them visiting, so they hardclaim and bring up their evidence.
Fake Claim: Claiming a role which is not their own's. E.g When a mafia member is demanded to hardclaim, they almost always fakeclaim instead.
Scum/Scummy: Scum is the name given to any role which doesn't win with town, and needs to be eliminated for town's win condition. Being scummy means adopting a behaviour which doesn't line up with the behaviour expected from a town member.
Confirmed: Being 100% confirmed as a certain [role]/[alignment].
No Lynch: Instead of voting for a player, you may also "/vote No Lynch". If majority reaches on a No Lynch, no player is killed. A No Lynch will also occur when the amount of time for the Day phase is over and majority hasn't been reached. No Lynching is, the majority of the time, benefitial to scum, so aiming towards it is generally scummy.
Reads/Reading: The read you have on a player is the conclusion about their alignment and/or role through their posts or other factors. If player X posts things that look like their a mafia member, you have a scumread on them!
WIFOM: WIFOM is the circular reasoning that results from trying to determine the choices of an opponent who acted with full knowledge that their behavior would be subject to scrutiny. For instance, if you think player Y wouldn't kill Z because Z townreads Y, but then realize that may well be a reason that Y would kill Z: to make people think Y isn't a mafia member, you've stumbled on WIFOM. Tread lightly.
Mislynch: An incorrect lynch on a town member.
Tunneling: Solely focusing on a player and their posts, ignoring others. Often considered scummy.
Game Throwing: Playing against your win condition with the intent of making your own faction lose. Extremely subjective term not to be taken lightly.


Slightly more uncommon terms:
FoS - Finger of Suspicion. Putting the Finger of Suspicion onto a player means that one is calling that player scummy and saying that other players should keep an eye on that player. [Alt. Hand of Suspicion (HoS)]
LyLo - Lynch or Lose. A stage in the game where town must lynch scum or they lose. See also: MyLo.
MyLo - Mislynch and Lose. A stage in the game where if town mislynches (lynches town) and the Mafia make a kill town loses.
PoE - Process of Elimination.
OMGUS - "oh my god you suck". An acronym used to describe retaliatory actions such as votes. Ex: voting a player because they voted you citing the reason "because they are stupid".
PbPA - Post by Post Analysis. Analyzing a player's posts in succession, typically associated with ISO.
ISO - Isolation. Looking at a player's total posts in a game, in succession.

For a more complete list, feel free to look here.

------

Playing as Town

While Mafia can talk strategy during the night, the town needs to use the day phase to discuss and figure out who is and isn't town as well. What can you do, then?
Try to look for posts that feel scummy, ask and answer questions other players have made, try to see which intentions a player has behind their posts, be active and post what you think of other players regularly. Avoid plays which could benefit scum instead (e.g Hardclaiming for no reason, fakeclaiming), and try your best to think for yourself - it's a common mistake to follow blindly whatever other players have to say.
Townies have no reason to lie and should never do it, in NFM. Spotting a lie can be almost as sure as spotting a mafia itself.

And be sure to read ObiWan's guide about playing as Citizen.

Playing as Mafia

As scum, you should play exactly like you would as town - be active, post reads, try to look productive, etc. The difference here are your goals: Hiding information, misleading the town and stalling out long enough until they no longer outnumber you. This means appearing as scum-hunting, but in actuality pushing for a mislynch by questioning, false reading and trying to depict a player as scum. However, keep in mind that if a teammate is acting undeniably scummy and their lynch looks like the right call, try not to oppose it too obviously - or it could be tracked back to you.
And remember: you are a team, and thus communication is essential. Try to talk over every situation so you can plan in advance.

FM Academy has further guidance to playing scum.

Golden Rules:
Don't claim Neutral.
Don't be inactive.
Remember what your goals are at all times.
Don't panic if you commit a mistake, but try to work your way around it.
Have fun. It's a game, after all.

totally didn't make this post to get the image

Nice shade, this really enforces my point.

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i am shocked that was the chosen image
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 1

Postby TheWabbit » Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:24 pm

you're not

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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 1

Postby TheWabbit » Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:26 pm

kosmo explains their hellosither vote or they're claiming scum
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 1

Postby lemonader666 » Sun Jun 28, 2020 12:52 am

TheWabbit wrote:
lemonader666 wrote: Spoiler:
TheWabbit wrote:
cob709 wrote:I think either poly, scarred, or hello is scum.
It's really easy to create a list D1 and point fingers, especially at me.
You're pretty much moving attention towards a specific group of people to poe, hoping everyone else agrees with you.

Introduction and Mechanics


First of all, welcome to NFM. Some of you have already played before, while others are brand new, so I'll try to keep this simple.
Forum Mafia, or FM in short, is a game about deception between the two main factions: The uninformed majority (town) and the informed minority (mafia) duking it out. Logic, mind games, etc. are all part and usual of mafia.

Town and Mafia both have pretty straight-forward win conditions: eliminate the opposite team. While the mafia has the opportunity to kill periodically, the town cannot rely on their own killing roles to win the game - for that, they must vote to kill a player by "lynch".

The game is divided in two phases: the Day, and the Night.

  • Day is when the players post on the game thread, discussing about what happened during the night, other players and who should be voted for the lynch. The days last 120 hours (5 real-life days) and lynches are allowed, these which will occur after the majority has been reached. To vote, just post "/vote PlayerNameExample". When a player reaches majority, they are automatically lynched, there is no trial phase. When a player is lynched, they are immediately removed from the game, with their role being shown to the public.
  • The latter is a 48-hour period where any player who has a night action may use it. **During this phase the Mafia privately talks on their mafia chat. After the 48 hours are over, all actions are carried out, and the personal results of this phase shall be privately messaged (PM'd) to each player.

**There are no whispers present in this game.
**There are no last wills or death notes in this game.
**Jailor may not roll in this set-up.


The game will only end once one of the major factions fulfills their condition.

PM Protocols
When sending the host the information below, make sure one of the following is in the subject line:
For sending me Night actions or whatever, include "NFM61" in the subject line, it would also help if you included "Night Action" for your actions

Mafia Killing Revamp is in play: Meaning - Any member of the Mafia may sacrifice their night action to make the factional kill at night.
------

Terminology

General terms:
Role Card: The PM which contains the player's role, alignment and abilities.
Hard Claim: Directly stating one's own role on the game thread.
Soft Claim: Hinting one's role without explicity stating it. For instance, saying "there are alot of people that are more important than me" may imply that you are softclaiming citizen. Make sure you have a plan in mind before attempting this.
Counter Claim (CC): Making a claim which directly contradicts someone else's. E.g Player A hardclaims Citizen, but Player B is a Lookout who saw them visiting, so they hardclaim and bring up their evidence.
Fake Claim: Claiming a role which is not their own's. E.g When a mafia member is demanded to hardclaim, they almost always fakeclaim instead.
Scum/Scummy: Scum is the name given to any role which doesn't win with town, and needs to be eliminated for town's win condition. Being scummy means adopting a behaviour which doesn't line up with the behaviour expected from a town member.
Confirmed: Being 100% confirmed as a certain [role]/[alignment].
No Lynch: Instead of voting for a player, you may also "/vote No Lynch". If majority reaches on a No Lynch, no player is killed. A No Lynch will also occur when the amount of time for the Day phase is over and majority hasn't been reached. No Lynching is, the majority of the time, benefitial to scum, so aiming towards it is generally scummy.
Reads/Reading: The read you have on a player is the conclusion about their alignment and/or role through their posts or other factors. If player X posts things that look like their a mafia member, you have a scumread on them!
WIFOM: WIFOM is the circular reasoning that results from trying to determine the choices of an opponent who acted with full knowledge that their behavior would be subject to scrutiny. For instance, if you think player Y wouldn't kill Z because Z townreads Y, but then realize that may well be a reason that Y would kill Z: to make people think Y isn't a mafia member, you've stumbled on WIFOM. Tread lightly.
Mislynch: An incorrect lynch on a town member.
Tunneling: Solely focusing on a player and their posts, ignoring others. Often considered scummy.
Game Throwing: Playing against your win condition with the intent of making your own faction lose. Extremely subjective term not to be taken lightly.


Slightly more uncommon terms:
FoS - Finger of Suspicion. Putting the Finger of Suspicion onto a player means that one is calling that player scummy and saying that other players should keep an eye on that player. [Alt. Hand of Suspicion (HoS)]
LyLo - Lynch or Lose. A stage in the game where town must lynch scum or they lose. See also: MyLo.
MyLo - Mislynch and Lose. A stage in the game where if town mislynches (lynches town) and the Mafia make a kill town loses.
PoE - Process of Elimination.
OMGUS - "oh my god you suck". An acronym used to describe retaliatory actions such as votes. Ex: voting a player because they voted you citing the reason "because they are stupid".
PbPA - Post by Post Analysis. Analyzing a player's posts in succession, typically associated with ISO.
ISO - Isolation. Looking at a player's total posts in a game, in succession.

For a more complete list, feel free to look here.

------

Playing as Town

While Mafia can talk strategy during the night, the town needs to use the day phase to discuss and figure out who is and isn't town as well. What can you do, then?
Try to look for posts that feel scummy, ask and answer questions other players have made, try to see which intentions a player has behind their posts, be active and post what you think of other players regularly. Avoid plays which could benefit scum instead (e.g Hardclaiming for no reason, fakeclaiming), and try your best to think for yourself - it's a common mistake to follow blindly whatever other players have to say.
Townies have no reason to lie and should never do it, in NFM. Spotting a lie can be almost as sure as spotting a mafia itself.

And be sure to read ObiWan's guide about playing as Citizen.

Playing as Mafia

As scum, you should play exactly like you would as town - be active, post reads, try to look productive, etc. The difference here are your goals: Hiding information, misleading the town and stalling out long enough until they no longer outnumber you. This means appearing as scum-hunting, but in actuality pushing for a mislynch by questioning, false reading and trying to depict a player as scum. However, keep in mind that if a teammate is acting undeniably scummy and their lynch looks like the right call, try not to oppose it too obviously - or it could be tracked back to you.
And remember: you are a team, and thus communication is essential. Try to talk over every situation so you can plan in advance.

FM Academy has further guidance to playing scum.

Golden Rules:
Don't claim Neutral.
Don't be inactive.
Remember what your goals are at all times.
Don't panic if you commit a mistake, but try to work your way around it.
Have fun. It's a game, after all.

totally didn't make this post to get the image

Nice shade, this really enforces my point.

Image

seriously I did all of that just for a mere UNORIGINAL image?

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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 1

Postby kosmo16 » Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:32 am

Yeah I forgot why I wanted Hello dead.
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 1

Postby TheWabbit » Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:45 am

lemonader666 wrote:
TheWabbit wrote:
lemonader666 wrote: Spoiler:
TheWabbit wrote:
cob709 wrote:I think either poly, scarred, or hello is scum.
It's really easy to create a list D1 and point fingers, especially at me.
You're pretty much moving attention towards a specific group of people to poe, hoping everyone else agrees with you.

Introduction and Mechanics


First of all, welcome to NFM. Some of you have already played before, while others are brand new, so I'll try to keep this simple.
Forum Mafia, or FM in short, is a game about deception between the two main factions: The uninformed majority (town) and the informed minority (mafia) duking it out. Logic, mind games, etc. are all part and usual of mafia.

Town and Mafia both have pretty straight-forward win conditions: eliminate the opposite team. While the mafia has the opportunity to kill periodically, the town cannot rely on their own killing roles to win the game - for that, they must vote to kill a player by "lynch".

The game is divided in two phases: the Day, and the Night.

  • Day is when the players post on the game thread, discussing about what happened during the night, other players and who should be voted for the lynch. The days last 120 hours (5 real-life days) and lynches are allowed, these which will occur after the majority has been reached. To vote, just post "/vote PlayerNameExample". When a player reaches majority, they are automatically lynched, there is no trial phase. When a player is lynched, they are immediately removed from the game, with their role being shown to the public.
  • The latter is a 48-hour period where any player who has a night action may use it. **During this phase the Mafia privately talks on their mafia chat. After the 48 hours are over, all actions are carried out, and the personal results of this phase shall be privately messaged (PM'd) to each player.

**There are no whispers present in this game.
**There are no last wills or death notes in this game.
**Jailor may not roll in this set-up.


The game will only end once one of the major factions fulfills their condition.

PM Protocols
When sending the host the information below, make sure one of the following is in the subject line:
For sending me Night actions or whatever, include "NFM61" in the subject line, it would also help if you included "Night Action" for your actions

Mafia Killing Revamp is in play: Meaning - Any member of the Mafia may sacrifice their night action to make the factional kill at night.
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Terminology

General terms:
Role Card: The PM which contains the player's role, alignment and abilities.
Hard Claim: Directly stating one's own role on the game thread.
Soft Claim: Hinting one's role without explicity stating it. For instance, saying "there are alot of people that are more important than me" may imply that you are softclaiming citizen. Make sure you have a plan in mind before attempting this.
Counter Claim (CC): Making a claim which directly contradicts someone else's. E.g Player A hardclaims Citizen, but Player B is a Lookout who saw them visiting, so they hardclaim and bring up their evidence.
Fake Claim: Claiming a role which is not their own's. E.g When a mafia member is demanded to hardclaim, they almost always fakeclaim instead.
Scum/Scummy: Scum is the name given to any role which doesn't win with town, and needs to be eliminated for town's win condition. Being scummy means adopting a behaviour which doesn't line up with the behaviour expected from a town member.
Confirmed: Being 100% confirmed as a certain [role]/[alignment].
No Lynch: Instead of voting for a player, you may also "/vote No Lynch". If majority reaches on a No Lynch, no player is killed. A No Lynch will also occur when the amount of time for the Day phase is over and majority hasn't been reached. No Lynching is, the majority of the time, benefitial to scum, so aiming towards it is generally scummy.
Reads/Reading: The read you have on a player is the conclusion about their alignment and/or role through their posts or other factors. If player X posts things that look like their a mafia member, you have a scumread on them!
WIFOM: WIFOM is the circular reasoning that results from trying to determine the choices of an opponent who acted with full knowledge that their behavior would be subject to scrutiny. For instance, if you think player Y wouldn't kill Z because Z townreads Y, but then realize that may well be a reason that Y would kill Z: to make people think Y isn't a mafia member, you've stumbled on WIFOM. Tread lightly.
Mislynch: An incorrect lynch on a town member.
Tunneling: Solely focusing on a player and their posts, ignoring others. Often considered scummy.
Game Throwing: Playing against your win condition with the intent of making your own faction lose. Extremely subjective term not to be taken lightly.


Slightly more uncommon terms:
FoS - Finger of Suspicion. Putting the Finger of Suspicion onto a player means that one is calling that player scummy and saying that other players should keep an eye on that player. [Alt. Hand of Suspicion (HoS)]
LyLo - Lynch or Lose. A stage in the game where town must lynch scum or they lose. See also: MyLo.
MyLo - Mislynch and Lose. A stage in the game where if town mislynches (lynches town) and the Mafia make a kill town loses.
PoE - Process of Elimination.
OMGUS - "oh my god you suck". An acronym used to describe retaliatory actions such as votes. Ex: voting a player because they voted you citing the reason "because they are stupid".
PbPA - Post by Post Analysis. Analyzing a player's posts in succession, typically associated with ISO.
ISO - Isolation. Looking at a player's total posts in a game, in succession.

For a more complete list, feel free to look here.

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Playing as Town

While Mafia can talk strategy during the night, the town needs to use the day phase to discuss and figure out who is and isn't town as well. What can you do, then?
Try to look for posts that feel scummy, ask and answer questions other players have made, try to see which intentions a player has behind their posts, be active and post what you think of other players regularly. Avoid plays which could benefit scum instead (e.g Hardclaiming for no reason, fakeclaiming), and try your best to think for yourself - it's a common mistake to follow blindly whatever other players have to say.
Townies have no reason to lie and should never do it, in NFM. Spotting a lie can be almost as sure as spotting a mafia itself.

And be sure to read ObiWan's guide about playing as Citizen.

Playing as Mafia

As scum, you should play exactly like you would as town - be active, post reads, try to look productive, etc. The difference here are your goals: Hiding information, misleading the town and stalling out long enough until they no longer outnumber you. This means appearing as scum-hunting, but in actuality pushing for a mislynch by questioning, false reading and trying to depict a player as scum. However, keep in mind that if a teammate is acting undeniably scummy and their lynch looks like the right call, try not to oppose it too obviously - or it could be tracked back to you.
And remember: you are a team, and thus communication is essential. Try to talk over every situation so you can plan in advance.

FM Academy has further guidance to playing scum.

Golden Rules:
Don't claim Neutral.
Don't be inactive.
Remember what your goals are at all times.
Don't panic if you commit a mistake, but try to work your way around it.
Have fun. It's a game, after all.

totally didn't make this post to get the image

Nice shade, this really enforces my point.

Image

seriously I did all of that just for a mere UNORIGINAL image?

you're not special enough for a new meme
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 1

Postby UzayAltay » Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:06 am

From now on I refuse to comment on readlists that is not obvious where is where.
46-46 Spoiler: Town Games(27-32)

NFM50,NFM51,NFM52,14D,14E, NFM54 ,14H (AF), 14G, NFM 55, NFM 56, 15C, NFM 57, NFM 58,15F,SFM45,16B, VFM36, 16D , SFM 47 , VFM38, NFM62 , 16G ,VFM 39, EpisodeXVII, 17B , 17C , VFM44 , 17D , 17F,18C,18D,18E,VFM55,VFM57,SFM64, 19C,VFM58,VFM59 ,19D,VFM60,SFM66,SFM67,VFM64,SFM70,VFM69,XX7,XX9, VFM71,VFM72, VFM73, VFM74, 21A,VFM75,VFM76,XX14,VFM77,XX16,VFM78,VFM79

Scum Games (19-14)

NFM 48 , NFM 49 , TFM 65 ,TFM 66 , Episode XV ,TFM68 ,VFM 34, NFM61 , VFM42 , SFM53, VFM43,17E,VFM49,SFM60,CFM19,VFM54, EpisodeXIX, SFM63, 19E, 19F ,VFM62 ,VFM63,XX3,VFM66,XX5,VFM67,XX6,SFM72,XX8,VFM70,XX10,SFM76,SFM80
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 1

Postby UzayAltay » Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:09 am

TheWabbit wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:
TheWabbit wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:Wabbit
If I had thought You as >scum I would say.
Seriously Why you would thought If I made A similar mistake?

if you have no valid conclusion from your excessive nitpicking of said list then why bother mentioning it multiple times
unless of course you just wanted to shade me

;)

No I have a decisive conclusion.
Your that reads shouldn't be followed.

Or More clearly, I didnt wanna discredit You, I wanna discredit your reads.

that's the exact same thing
are you dumb

Bruh
Discredit player: Hey look that player is scum
Discredit player's reads: Hey look there is a player that I dont know their alignment but their reads suck.

Like how that two is even similar?
46-46 Spoiler: Town Games(27-32)

NFM50,NFM51,NFM52,14D,14E, NFM54 ,14H (AF), 14G, NFM 55, NFM 56, 15C, NFM 57, NFM 58,15F,SFM45,16B, VFM36, 16D , SFM 47 , VFM38, NFM62 , 16G ,VFM 39, EpisodeXVII, 17B , 17C , VFM44 , 17D , 17F,18C,18D,18E,VFM55,VFM57,SFM64, 19C,VFM58,VFM59 ,19D,VFM60,SFM66,SFM67,VFM64,SFM70,VFM69,XX7,XX9, VFM71,VFM72, VFM73, VFM74, 21A,VFM75,VFM76,XX14,VFM77,XX16,VFM78,VFM79

Scum Games (19-14)

NFM 48 , NFM 49 , TFM 65 ,TFM 66 , Episode XV ,TFM68 ,VFM 34, NFM61 , VFM42 , SFM53, VFM43,17E,VFM49,SFM60,CFM19,VFM54, EpisodeXIX, SFM63, 19E, 19F ,VFM62 ,VFM63,XX3,VFM66,XX5,VFM67,XX6,SFM72,XX8,VFM70,XX10,SFM76,SFM80
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 1

Postby UzayAltay » Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:13 am

TheWabbit wrote:
Jabichuelas wrote:honestly I don't know if Uzay is trying to mislead us or if he's being towny in his own unique way and assuming we all understand
i'll eat my words if that's not the case tho

if you asked me, I think no one but him was that "interested" in the line of discussion caused by Wabbit's middle bracket, and that leads to your vote on 3cheers being kinda weird
it was wabbit's choice to put the reads that way, and 3cheers isn't wrong about the first posts being NAI except yours, which wasn't NAI at the time the discussion happened because of the confusion with the emojis

I was also curious about how hello was core with only two posts, but I quickly assumed that was just a matter of perspectives that I wasn't too smart to understand

uzay isn't town with his approach

v!uzay builds the gamestate with others, providing his own input and arguing on things he disagrees on-- with the occasional push when he finds enough ground to wolfread someone
this game he's just being overly nitpicky and proceeds to make foul arguments and shade.
no.
46-46 Spoiler: Town Games(27-32)

NFM50,NFM51,NFM52,14D,14E, NFM54 ,14H (AF), 14G, NFM 55, NFM 56, 15C, NFM 57, NFM 58,15F,SFM45,16B, VFM36, 16D , SFM 47 , VFM38, NFM62 , 16G ,VFM 39, EpisodeXVII, 17B , 17C , VFM44 , 17D , 17F,18C,18D,18E,VFM55,VFM57,SFM64, 19C,VFM58,VFM59 ,19D,VFM60,SFM66,SFM67,VFM64,SFM70,VFM69,XX7,XX9, VFM71,VFM72, VFM73, VFM74, 21A,VFM75,VFM76,XX14,VFM77,XX16,VFM78,VFM79

Scum Games (19-14)

NFM 48 , NFM 49 , TFM 65 ,TFM 66 , Episode XV ,TFM68 ,VFM 34, NFM61 , VFM42 , SFM53, VFM43,17E,VFM49,SFM60,CFM19,VFM54, EpisodeXIX, SFM63, 19E, 19F ,VFM62 ,VFM63,XX3,VFM66,XX5,VFM67,XX6,SFM72,XX8,VFM70,XX10,SFM76,SFM80
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 1

Postby 3cheersforidiots » Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:09 am

UzayAltay wrote:/vote Hello

@3cheers I had better say that to you. I am suspecting from You. It was mainly Gut , and that defense on Wabbit felt me as A pocket attempt, which caused A vote. Now, I am backing to Hello Because they Overall feels bad, and I Do not have much More on You.
But You can be sure I'll jump back to you If I can become More sure.
Take that as A warning. Or Dont , You know.

smells opportunistic in here

Hellosither wrote:/vote UzayAltay

great OMGUS

UzayAltay wrote:For example I think your post in Sparking/3cheers were towny. Do I think now you are town?

honestly, based on your previous posts, this read doesn't make much sense

Hellosither wrote:
SparkingJayYT wrote:
Hellosither wrote:/vote UzayAltay

Nice omgus, is there any base behind this?

no, i voted Uzay for no reason to be poggers.

admittedly, you're weird this game

polypies73 wrote:
3cheersforidiots wrote:
polypies73 wrote:{TheWabbit, Crimson97, 3cheersforidiots}
{kosmo16, Jabichuelas, lemonader666}
{dota2reporter, UzayAltay, ScarredSamurai}
{SparkingJayYT, cob709, HelloSither}

why am I so high on this list


lean-scum

how and why

Hellosither wrote:here are my reads.

lemonader666, ScarredSamurai, dota2reporter - mafia
TheWabbit, HelloSither, kosmo16, UzayAltay, Jabichuelas, 3cheersforidiots, SparkingJayYT, polypies73, cob709, Crimson97 - town

this was not done on random.org i promise.

I am 90% sure this is random.org

polypies73 wrote:sparking your commentary is almost as bad as mine + you fencesitted on me which you never do so yes.

hello i'm putting in scum cause i'm not reading their bs as town even if i maybe should.

cob is an obligatory sr cause their lack of direction does not feel townie, it just feels as if they need to fit in with town.

3cheers cause it's basically hello but worse

I'm flattered

polypies73 wrote:
Hellosither wrote:
polypies73 wrote:sparking your commentary is almost as bad as mine + you fencesitted on me which you never do so yes.

hello i'm putting in scum cause i'm not reading their bs as town even if i maybe should.

cob is an obligatory sr cause their lack of direction does not feel townie, it just feels as if they need to fit in with town.

3cheers cause it's basically hello but worse

what does your reasoning for me and 3cheers even mean.


you cry over being mafia and point out that you re so scummy to yourself

me thinking I shouldn't be in the obvtown bracket =/= me crying about being scummy
in fact, I would find it suspicious if anyone had me in their obvtown bracket at the moment because I'm not playing in an obvtown way

TheWabbit wrote:
ScarredSamurai wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:
TheWabbit wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:
TheWabbit wrote:What makes hypoclaiming a good strategy for this setup?

We start with 4 PRs , e.g. 4 Roles that If Mafia cant kill , they'll eithers confirm self or Mafia needs to cc.
Visitors are A bit More compliated Because Mafia claiming there gives 2/1 odds but still , It's unpreferable for Mafia .
The point of hypos are , A citcheck of Neo is locktown.
So even If Mafia manages to kill Neo somehow, that conftowns can hurt them hard.

An example situation to Show that :

D1 citlynch n1 visitorkill d2 citlynch n2 jkkill d3 citlynch n3 neokill -> 4v3 with 2 confcit and 1 visitor.

Cool.

We're not hypoclaiming then.

Why???
Look, I chose an example situation that's bad for us ( Mafia kill PR Each night, cit is lynched every day) but still, end is 33% mechanichal WR.


Wabbit SR's you. He will not follow your hypoclaim strat assuming you are scum and it will benefit the scum faction.


I'm not following any hypoclaim plans solely because it's doomed to fail with this playerlist.
It only works for those that actually utilize information obtained from flips to help further Town's goals

that and there's a scum strat to counter hypoclaiming and SHC completely in this setup that i won't explain in cases everyone still thinks that hypoclaiming for SHC is a good idea

I can see town motivation behind this post ngl
if XX7 is anything to go by

TheWabbit wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:
3cheersforidiots wrote:
TheWabbit wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:
Hellosither wrote:guys i think im mafia. :(

umm
What?

w!hellosither → w!uzay

I'd argue this only increases scum equity for Uzay, actually

Care to explain?

literally either proposition can be explained by:
TheWabbit wrote:it's a wolfy pop-in and sounds like wolf theater
hence the w->w read

but the wolf equity proposition is just a pussy version

meow

Hellosither wrote:
TheWabbit wrote:
Hellosither wrote:how do i get trusted user?

get at least 150 posts
the postcount displayed isn't your true postcount, but ig you may want to up it a bit

wait, my forum mafia posts dont count?

there's only a select few forums that count towards your official postcount
kinda stupid but eh

Wabbit, please, not NFM again

cob709 wrote:
TheWabbit wrote:
SparkingJayYT wrote:
Hellosither wrote:
SparkingJayYT wrote:
Hellosither wrote:
SparkingJayYT wrote:Since Cob didn’t answer my question I’m just going to assume he is new by his recent posts and that it doesn’t resemble noobmafia being coached on how to play, he sounds more lost in thread atm

i get what ur saying but i also feel like i havent seen enough of them to make a significant judgement.

They lack any real direction this game, wdym

im saying its too early to make the call that their lack of direction is town indicative imo. theirs a large chance their hypothetical mafia buddies dont dictate much of what theyve said so far.

You would expect Mafia buddies to help a new player out not just throw them out to the wilderness with nothing

is this your first game in ToSFM

yeah, this my first ToSFM.
I feel like im playing trash but im trying not to. i'll do my best to help but I need to learn how games usually run

just vibe
that'll make you a good player by ToSFM standards

kosmo16 wrote:Yeah I forgot why I wanted Hello dead.
/vote unvote

bruh

Hellosither wrote:
TheWabbit wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:
TheWabbit wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:Wabbit
If I had thought You as >scum I would say.
Seriously Why you would thought If I made A similar mistake?

if you have no valid conclusion from your excessive nitpicking of said list then why bother mentioning it multiple times
unless of course you just wanted to shade me

;)

No I have a decisive conclusion.
Your that reads shouldn't be followed.

Or More clearly, I didnt wanna discredit You, I wanna discredit your reads.

that's the exact same thing
are you dumb

i think its pretty safe to say this is not w/w.

I think it has a decent chance to be TvS, in fact
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 1

Postby 3cheersforidiots » Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:11 am

poly and kosmo can be yeeted for now
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 1

Postby UzayAltay » Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:27 am

@3cheers

Spoiler:
3cheersforidiots (some parts are snipped) wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:/vote Hello

@3cheers I had better say that to you. I am suspecting from You. It was mainly Gut , and that defense on Wabbit felt me as A pocket attempt, which caused A vote. Now, I am backing to Hello Because they Overall feels bad, and I Do not have much More on You.
But You can be sure I'll jump back to you If I can become More sure.
Take that as A warning. Or Dont , You know.

smells opportunistic in here

Care to elaborate?

UzayAltay wrote:For example I think your post in Sparking/3cheers were towny. Do I think now you are town?

honestly, based on your previous posts, this read doesn't make much sense
Yeah it Dont make sense out of its context.
Can I ask your comment about it in context, and Why You decide to Take it out-of-context?


Hellosither wrote:here are my reads.

lemonader666, ScarredSamurai, dota2reporter - mafia
TheWabbit, HelloSither, kosmo16, UzayAltay, Jabichuelas, 3cheersforidiots, SparkingJayYT, polypies73, cob709, Crimson97 - town

this was not done on random.org i promise.

I am 90% sure this is random.org
Is This A " I'm sure but cannot prove" kind of thing, or Do You have any justification in mind?


TheWabbit wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:
3cheersforidiots wrote:
TheWabbit wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:
Hellosither wrote:guys i think im mafia. :(

umm
What?

w!hellosither → w!uzay

I'd argue this only increases scum equity for Uzay, actually

Care to explain?

literally either proposition can be explained by:
TheWabbit wrote:it's a wolfy pop-in and sounds like wolf theater
hence the w->w read

but the wolf equity proposition is just a pussy version

meow
So was that a sheep of Wabbit's reads?

Hellosither wrote:
TheWabbit wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:
TheWabbit wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:Wabbit
If I had thought You as >scum I would say.
Seriously Why you would thought If I made A similar mistake?

if you have no valid conclusion from your excessive nitpicking of said list then why bother mentioning it multiple times
unless of course you just wanted to shade me

;)

No I have a decisive conclusion.
Your that reads shouldn't be followed.

Or More clearly, I didnt wanna discredit You, I wanna discredit your reads.

that's the exact same thing
are you dumb

i think its pretty safe to say this is not w/w.

I think it has a decent chance to be TvS, in fact
Explain.

(My words in bold)
46-46 Spoiler: Town Games(27-32)

NFM50,NFM51,NFM52,14D,14E, NFM54 ,14H (AF), 14G, NFM 55, NFM 56, 15C, NFM 57, NFM 58,15F,SFM45,16B, VFM36, 16D , SFM 47 , VFM38, NFM62 , 16G ,VFM 39, EpisodeXVII, 17B , 17C , VFM44 , 17D , 17F,18C,18D,18E,VFM55,VFM57,SFM64, 19C,VFM58,VFM59 ,19D,VFM60,SFM66,SFM67,VFM64,SFM70,VFM69,XX7,XX9, VFM71,VFM72, VFM73, VFM74, 21A,VFM75,VFM76,XX14,VFM77,XX16,VFM78,VFM79

Scum Games (19-14)

NFM 48 , NFM 49 , TFM 65 ,TFM 66 , Episode XV ,TFM68 ,VFM 34, NFM61 , VFM42 , SFM53, VFM43,17E,VFM49,SFM60,CFM19,VFM54, EpisodeXIX, SFM63, 19E, 19F ,VFM62 ,VFM63,XX3,VFM66,XX5,VFM67,XX6,SFM72,XX8,VFM70,XX10,SFM76,SFM80
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 1

Postby UzayAltay » Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:28 am

Hellosither wrote:Hellosither - maybe town? ;)
UzayAltay, SparkingJayYT - slight town inclination
TheWabbit, cob709, Jabichuelas, polypies73, 3cheersforidiots - very slight town inclination
kosmo16, dota2reporter, lemonader666, Crimson97, ScarredSamurai - heavy uncertainty (probably very slight scum inclination in virtue of my other town leans)

Some of these are suprising TBH.
Will Wait explanations before commenting.
46-46 Spoiler: Town Games(27-32)

NFM50,NFM51,NFM52,14D,14E, NFM54 ,14H (AF), 14G, NFM 55, NFM 56, 15C, NFM 57, NFM 58,15F,SFM45,16B, VFM36, 16D , SFM 47 , VFM38, NFM62 , 16G ,VFM 39, EpisodeXVII, 17B , 17C , VFM44 , 17D , 17F,18C,18D,18E,VFM55,VFM57,SFM64, 19C,VFM58,VFM59 ,19D,VFM60,SFM66,SFM67,VFM64,SFM70,VFM69,XX7,XX9, VFM71,VFM72, VFM73, VFM74, 21A,VFM75,VFM76,XX14,VFM77,XX16,VFM78,VFM79

Scum Games (19-14)

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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 1

Postby Jabichuelas » Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:50 am

less than 8 hours, oh boy

figured you'd ask Dota, will explain along with cob soon
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 1

Postby Jabichuelas » Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:56 am

UzayAltay wrote:From now on I refuse to comment on readlists that is not obvious where is where.

was mine one of them?
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 1

Postby Jabichuelas » Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:35 am

TheWabbit wrote:
Jabichuelas wrote:meh, if the reads help then great
fourth line was originally the null one but i thought having only 2 SRs was lame so i assumed i was being too nice and removed the null afterwards, hopefully the reads will be bound to change

[dota, wabbit]
[3cheers, hellosither, samurai]
[crimson]
[uzay, kosmo, sparking, lemon]
[cob]
[poly]

explain dota

they haven't done that much except mindmeld with my early townreads, talk about a dream, and being self-aware that they haven't done much this game

yeah, i wasn't too interested in his contributions but rather in the way he plays, specially tone
he sounds truthful and wanting to get somewhere imo (even if that failed?), and when he mentioned stuff like "finding it hard to make a towncore" or "having his own way to read people" i felt we were on the same boat. It helped that I already know him a bit.

I have yet to read what he thinks of poly now, and there are still a few things that are off with him that I can't remember right now because of it not being my main focus, but it didn't come to me to put him in the bracket below.
funny thing, I had a thought about spreading my readlist even more and make a seventh bracket just for him, but no.

TheWabbit wrote:i'd question cob solo'ing that bracket but they have VI equity

VI means village idiot or something like that?

yeah im aware they're too dispersed
gotta go now though, will elaborate later sry
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 1

Postby lemonader666 » Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:42 am

Oh god I don't have enough time for this

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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 1

Postby lemonader666 » Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:51 am

TheWabbit wrote:@lemon

too bad you're not getting anything like my XX7 play ever again
unless of course i get tired of mafia and get overly cranky
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how strong is your wolfread on hellosither?

The post where I said he was lockscum wasn't completely serious but I generally disliked how he was just deliberately trying to achieve nothing from his interactions, I guess cob is in a similar light but he seems more clueless than anything.

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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 1

Postby lemonader666 » Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:53 am

kosmo16 wrote:Yeah I forgot why I wanted Hello dead.
/vote unvote

BRUH

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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 1

Postby Crimson97 » Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:02 am

dota2reporter wrote:hi dudes, i saw that i was asked to elaborate on my trs so that's what i'll do

Are you still doing this?
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 1

Postby lemonader666 » Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:07 am

Hellosither wrote:
lemonader666 wrote:
TheWabbit wrote:@lemon

too bad you're not getting anything like my XX7 play ever again
unless of course i get tired of mafia and get overly cranky
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how strong is your wolfread on hellosither?

The post where I said he was lockscum wasn't completely serious but I generally disliked how he was just deliberately trying to achieve nothing from his interactions, I guess cob is in a similar light but he seems more clueless than anything.

there are plenty of posts I have where I am trying to achieve something by interacting. just because I wasn’t when I jokingly said ‘im mafia’ doesn’t mean you should disregard the rest of my posts. you can mafia read most or maybe all of the players in this game with that logic, including you :P

I wasn't referring to every single one of your posts, I just found the overdone gig not towny.

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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 1

Postby lemonader666 » Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:24 am

I'm frozen scum and also tired
Uhhh
It seems with the trend of the meta poly is safe for today
I guess when town inevitably CFDs I'd be against 3cheers and cob but I haven't examiined the thread thoroughly
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 1

Postby ScarredSamurai » Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:26 am

TheWabbit wrote:
lemonader666 wrote:
TheWabbit wrote:
cob709 wrote:I think either poly, scarred, or hello is scum.
It's really easy to create a list D1 and point fingers, especially at me.
You're pretty much moving attention towards a specific group of people to poe, hoping everyone else agrees with you.

Introduction and Mechanics

First of all, welcome to NFM. Some of you have already played before, while others are brand new, so I'll try to keep this simple.
Forum Mafia, or FM in short, is a game about deception between the two main factions: The uninformed majority (town) and the informed minority (mafia) duking it out. Logic, mind games, etc. are all part and usual of mafia.

Town and Mafia both have pretty straight-forward win conditions: eliminate the opposite team. While the mafia has the opportunity to kill periodically, the town cannot rely on their own killing roles to win the game - for that, they must vote to kill a player by "lynch".

The game is divided in two phases: the Day, and the Night.

  • Day is when the players post on the game thread, discussing about what happened during the night, other players and who should be voted for the lynch. The days last 120 hours (5 real-life days) and lynches are allowed, these which will occur after the majority has been reached. To vote, just post "/vote PlayerNameExample". When a player reaches majority, they are automatically lynched, there is no trial phase. When a player is lynched, they are immediately removed from the game, with their role being shown to the public.
  • The latter is a 48-hour period where any player who has a night action may use it. **During this phase the Mafia privately talks on their mafia chat. After the 48 hours are over, all actions are carried out, and the personal results of this phase shall be privately messaged (PM'd) to each player.

**There are no whispers present in this game.
**There are no last wills or death notes in this game.
**Jailor may not roll in this set-up.


The game will only end once one of the major factions fulfills their condition.

PM Protocols
When sending the host the information below, make sure one of the following is in the subject line:
For sending me Night actions or whatever, include "NFM61" in the subject line, it would also help if you included "Night Action" for your actions

Mafia Killing Revamp is in play: Meaning - Any member of the Mafia may sacrifice their night action to make the factional kill at night.
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Terminology

General terms:
Role Card: The PM which contains the player's role, alignment and abilities.
Hard Claim: Directly stating one's own role on the game thread.
Soft Claim: Hinting one's role without explicity stating it. For instance, saying "there are alot of people that are more important than me" may imply that you are softclaiming citizen. Make sure you have a plan in mind before attempting this.
Counter Claim (CC): Making a claim which directly contradicts someone else's. E.g Player A hardclaims Citizen, but Player B is a Lookout who saw them visiting, so they hardclaim and bring up their evidence.
Fake Claim: Claiming a role which is not their own's. E.g When a mafia member is demanded to hardclaim, they almost always fakeclaim instead.
Scum/Scummy: Scum is the name given to any role which doesn't win with town, and needs to be eliminated for town's win condition. Being scummy means adopting a behaviour which doesn't line up with the behaviour expected from a town member.
Confirmed: Being 100% confirmed as a certain [role]/[alignment].
No Lynch: Instead of voting for a player, you may also "/vote No Lynch". If majority reaches on a No Lynch, no player is killed. A No Lynch will also occur when the amount of time for the Day phase is over and majority hasn't been reached. No Lynching is, the majority of the time, benefitial to scum, so aiming towards it is generally scummy.
Reads/Reading: The read you have on a player is the conclusion about their alignment and/or role through their posts or other factors. If player X posts things that look like their a mafia member, you have a scumread on them!
WIFOM: WIFOM is the circular reasoning that results from trying to determine the choices of an opponent who acted with full knowledge that their behavior would be subject to scrutiny. For instance, if you think player Y wouldn't kill Z because Z townreads Y, but then realize that may well be a reason that Y would kill Z: to make people think Y isn't a mafia member, you've stumbled on WIFOM. Tread lightly.
Mislynch: An incorrect lynch on a town member.
Tunneling: Solely focusing on a player and their posts, ignoring others. Often considered scummy.
Game Throwing: Playing against your win condition with the intent of making your own faction lose. Extremely subjective term not to be taken lightly.


Slightly more uncommon terms:
FoS - Finger of Suspicion. Putting the Finger of Suspicion onto a player means that one is calling that player scummy and saying that other players should keep an eye on that player. [Alt. Hand of Suspicion (HoS)]
LyLo - Lynch or Lose. A stage in the game where town must lynch scum or they lose. See also: MyLo.
MyLo - Mislynch and Lose. A stage in the game where if town mislynches (lynches town) and the Mafia make a kill town loses.
PoE - Process of Elimination.
OMGUS - "oh my god you suck". An acronym used to describe retaliatory actions such as votes. Ex: voting a player because they voted you citing the reason "because they are stupid".
PbPA - Post by Post Analysis. Analyzing a player's posts in succession, typically associated with ISO.
ISO - Isolation. Looking at a player's total posts in a game, in succession.

For a more complete list, feel free to look here.

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Playing as Town

While Mafia can talk strategy during the night, the town needs to use the day phase to discuss and figure out who is and isn't town as well. What can you do, then?
Try to look for posts that feel scummy, ask and answer questions other players have made, try to see which intentions a player has behind their posts, be active and post what you think of other players regularly. Avoid plays which could benefit scum instead (e.g Hardclaiming for no reason, fakeclaiming), and try your best to think for yourself - it's a common mistake to follow blindly whatever other players have to say.
Townies have no reason to lie and should never do it, in NFM. Spotting a lie can be almost as sure as spotting a mafia itself.

And be sure to read ObiWan's guide about playing as Citizen.

Playing as Mafia

As scum, you should play exactly like you would as town - be active, post reads, try to look productive, etc. The difference here are your goals: Hiding information, misleading the town and stalling out long enough until they no longer outnumber you. This means appearing as scum-hunting, but in actuality pushing for a mislynch by questioning, false reading and trying to depict a player as scum. However, keep in mind that if a teammate is acting undeniably scummy and their lynch looks like the right call, try not to oppose it too obviously - or it could be tracked back to you.
And remember: you are a team, and thus communication is essential. Try to talk over every situation so you can plan in advance.

FM Academy has further guidance to playing scum.

Golden Rules:
Don't claim Neutral.
Don't be inactive.
Remember what your goals are at all times.
Don't panic if you commit a mistake, but try to work your way around it.
Have fun. It's a game, after all.

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Nice shade, this really enforces my point.

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