VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Game Over

[Jabichuelas]

There's a definite reason for the read, but for now I'll keep my cards close to my chest.

/vote Hello

Wagon this. Explanation will come later.

spicy

no.

i was more curious about seeing two opposite opinions with reasonings being kept hidden

[UzayAltay]

/vote Hello

@3cheers I had better say that to you. I am suspecting from You. It was mainly Gut , and that defense on Wabbit felt me as A pocket attempt, which caused A vote. Now, I am backing to Hello Because they Overall feels bad, and I Do not have much More on You.
But You can be sure I'll jump back to you If I can become More sure.
Take that as A warning. Or Dont , You know.

[UzayAltay]

3cheersforidiots
dota2reporter
UzayAltay
SparkingJayYT
Jabichuelas
lemonader666
Crimson97
polypies73
TheWabbit
HelloSither
ScarredSamurai
kosmo16
cob709

(Vol 2 )

[cob709]

How do I choose who to vote on Day 1?
Is there a strategy I should be following?

[UzayAltay]

Hello Dont Let me believe This is your town play.
I think We both know your town play ; and You should realize that it is not somewhere close to there.
My vote is staying until my opinions change on you.

[UzayAltay]

Hello Dont Let me believe This is your town play.
I think We both know your town play ; and You should realize that it is not somewhere close to there.
My vote is staying until my opinions change on you.

uh. you dont know my town play at all.

Dont underestimate my abilities to Pull Meta.

[UzayAltay]

Hello Dont Let me believe This is your town play.
I think We both know your town play ; and You should realize that it is not somewhere close to there.
My vote is staying until my opinions change on you.

uh. you dont know my town play at all.

Dont underestimate my abilities to Pull Meta.

i mean ur wrong, so maybe i should be telling you to stop overestimating ur ability to read meta, and my meta especially, considering youve barely played with me. :L

TBH If I was more sure, You would see More from me. I'm aware that I should hold The ground in that argument, but I Dont think I left from the ground So far.
On the other hand, You need to Do some things.
Looking at your ISO , All I see that can be counted in your favor is some small reads (not w/w and close to 0 reads) , and boldness against Sparking's push on 3cheers.
You really should do more. I Dont know What kosmo's point is , but You cannot change general reads with arguing, and You try to argue and dismiss my arguments about You, without even listening it.

[UzayAltay]

TBH I agree with You shouldn't try to change it with arguing ( Idk What You exactly answered there) .
And You Dont have to lean people, You can lean posts.

[UzayAltay]

For example I think your post in Sparking/3cheers were towny. Do I think now you are town?

[UzayAltay]

Yes but
You can literally need to Wait an eternity to 100% read somebody
Like , is there really no posts that You lean somewhere different Than 0 at Last 26 pages?

[Jabichuelas]

meh, if the reads help then great
fourth line was originally the null one but i thought having only 2 SRs was lame so i assumed i was being too nice and removed the null afterwards, hopefully the reads will be bound to change

[dota, wabbit]
[3cheers, hellosither, samurai]
[crimson]
[uzay, kosmo, sparking, lemon]
[cob]
[poly]

[Jabichuelas]

wow i've sure been underwhelming ay. guess working on a game takes up a lot of time

underwhelming... how? i didn't notice

How do I choose who to vote on Day 1?
Is there a strategy I should be following?

just vote for whoever you think is mafia, and if you're not sure enough then don't vote i guess
If I were on your situation I suppose I'd interact more first and vote later, just quote whatever you think sounds vague or confusing, or if you already are suspicious of someone then reread the posts they made, ask them about those posts, stuff like that, idk

i know i just scumread you but i'll reconsider if you make some sort of comeback, sorry if im being unfair

[Jabichuelas]

honestly I don't know if Uzay is trying to mislead us or if he's being towny in his own unique way and assuming we all understand
i'll eat my words if that's not the case tho

if you asked me, I think no one but him was that "interested" in the line of discussion caused by Wabbit's middle bracket, and that leads to your vote on 3cheers being kinda weird
it was wabbit's choice to put the reads that way, and 3cheers isn't wrong about the first posts being NAI except yours, which wasn't NAI at the time the discussion happened because of the confusion with the emojis

I was also curious about how hello was core with only two posts, but I quickly assumed that was just a matter of perspectives that I wasn't too smart to understand

[SparkingJay]

v: Cob, Kosmo, Uzay, Poly (??), Samurai

Explain Poly.

Tentative read hence the "(??)", all I like is their explosive entrance besides that they are bleh

[SparkingJay]

wtf my 2 finger scroll stopped working, 1st world problems.

[SparkingJay]

Clear uncertainty of a Vigilante existing in the setup whilst acknowledging 1 KP is in game, jesus christ

Scum are more likely to pay attention to the setup to strategize thus meaning they know Vigilante can't roll.

they still acted like they were fairly sure a vigilante didnt exist. you can be close to certain of something at one point and have your certainty be questioned when someone else challenges your belief with certainty - power of conformity.

if mafia was going to go for a "town slip", wouldnt they go for something more clearly indicative, rather than going for a mistake that mafia could also fairly easily make? i think you are also overestimating how likely it is that mafia makes strategies based upon the setup this early in the game, though i dont entirely disagree.

They were pretty uncertain on it, this is a point we could argue forever.

Might be right on that they would make it more blatant.

[SparkingJay]

{Jabichuelas, Hellosither, ScarredSamurai}
{3cheersforidiots, dota2reporter, kosmo16}
{UzayAltay, SparkingJayYT, lemonader666, Crimson97, polypies73, cob709}

top bracket's core
middle are those who haven't checked in
bottom ring is PoE

Bolded are people posted before that post
Not-bolded are people havent posted before that post.
Wabbit?

Why is that important?

(Big)

maybe they didn't talk enough so Wabbit put them there?

Not possible.
Hello had only 2 posts at that moment. I only had 1 .
3cheers , read First page to see How much they have at least.

yeah, but my three posts were completely NAI, as were Hello's posts
you could argue that your own RVS vote was NAI, but there has since been a discussion about it, which means hindsight

/vote 3cheers
It's clear You are trying to defend something without Having any information on it.
They literally thought Hello is towny Because that posts.

Took a while for me to understand this, only way it makes sense is if they thought Hello was null.
Not really sure how AI this would be coming from wolf mindset to discuss without context.

[SparkingJay]

Wabbit's early pushes on Uzay felt reminiscent of the times they used to push them as wolf, their reasoning for w!Uzay was very reachy.

I don't see what everyone else can with v!Wabbit.

[SparkingJay]

Spoiler:

fyi this is the 3cheers slip that feels very disingenuous:

Pretty sure its just Citizens. And Goons are considered "Non Cits" But that doesnt stop them from claiming PR in a 1 for 1. With lack of Vigi in this setup it's gonna be painful dealing with these 1 for 1's.

that's what lynches are for?
vig is likely to fuck over town with hero shooting anyway

Eh, good point. Vigis should always shoot within the PoE to help solve. But im saying we lynch one and shoot the other during the night instead of wasting a day of solving when we can just lynch a lock-scum.

wait, is there a Vigi in the setup?
I'm pretty sure there is no vigi in the setup
don't go confusing me

Beofre that post they acknowledged only 1 KP with this post:
[spoiler]

This game is going to be very hard to solve with no kill credits, prepare yourselves.

Ah yes, disabling kill credit when there can only be one kill source.

the horror

>bad read
Seriously Why This is considered as A slip when 3 cheers Said " I'm pretty sure there is no vigi in the setup" ?

[/spoiler]
Uncertainty -> Slip potential + Acknowledgement of 1 KP

[SparkingJay]

/vote Hello

Wagon this. Explanation will come later.

please tell me your trivial explanation. im interested.

No.

NAGL

what?

Not A Good Look - means kosmo's post doesn't look good on her

oh. i dont find it suspicious, just stupid.

I personally thought it was weird of her to refuse to provide a case when asked by the accused

Why would scum avoid explaining the read either.

because it's not a real read

Doesn't make sense for wolves to make a read whilst showing to everyone that they aren't able to back it up

[lemonader666]

fyi this is the 3cheers slip that feels very disingenuous:

Pretty sure its just Citizens. And Goons are considered "Non Cits" But that doesnt stop them from claiming PR in a 1 for 1. With lack of Vigi in this setup it's gonna be painful dealing with these 1 for 1's.

that's what lynches are for?
vig is likely to fuck over town with hero shooting anyway

Eh, good point. Vigis should always shoot within the PoE to help solve. But im saying we lynch one and shoot the other during the night instead of wasting a day of solving when we can just lynch a lock-scum.

wait, is there a Vigi in the setup?
I'm pretty sure there is no vigi in the setup
don't go confusing me

Beofre that post they acknowledged only 1 KP with this post:

This game is going to be very hard to solve with no kill credits, prepare yourselves.

Ah yes, disabling kill credit when there can only be one kill source.

the horror

i dont see how thats disingenuous, they previously believed there was no vigilante and then had their belief questioned by what ScarredSamurai said. i also dont see how 3cheers as either alignment would benefit by being disingenuous here.

"ah the horror of 1 KP with killcred"
--2 seconds later...
"wOAh vIGi eXiSt?!"

I shouldn't have to answer why attempting to townslip is beneficial

How is that a slip...? I can't see it.

[SparkingJay]

fyi this is the 3cheers slip that feels very disingenuous:

Pretty sure its just Citizens. And Goons are considered "Non Cits" But that doesnt stop them from claiming PR in a 1 for 1. With lack of Vigi in this setup it's gonna be painful dealing with these 1 for 1's.

that's what lynches are for?
vig is likely to fuck over town with hero shooting anyway

Eh, good point. Vigis should always shoot within the PoE to help solve. But im saying we lynch one and shoot the other during the night instead of wasting a day of solving when we can just lynch a lock-scum.

wait, is there a Vigi in the setup?
I'm pretty sure there is no vigi in the setup
don't go confusing me

oh yeah, sure
it'd only be a slip if there was a vigi in the game, and it'd slip me not!vigi
so it's not a slip and therefore NAI

Slip explained later.

[SparkingJay]

Spoiler:

fyi this is the 3cheers slip that feels very disingenuous:

Pretty sure its just Citizens. And Goons are considered "Non Cits" But that doesnt stop them from claiming PR in a 1 for 1. With lack of Vigi in this setup it's gonna be painful dealing with these 1 for 1's.

that's what lynches are for?
vig is likely to fuck over town with hero shooting anyway

Eh, good point. Vigis should always shoot within the PoE to help solve. But im saying we lynch one and shoot the other during the night instead of wasting a day of solving when we can just lynch a lock-scum.

wait, is there a Vigi in the setup?
I'm pretty sure there is no vigi in the setup
don't go confusing me

Beofre that post they acknowledged only 1 KP with this post:

This game is going to be very hard to solve with no kill credits, prepare yourselves.

Ah yes, disabling kill credit when there can only be one kill source.

the horror

i dont see how thats disingenuous, they previously believed there was no vigilante and then had their belief questioned by what ScarredSamurai said. i also dont see how 3cheers as either alignment would benefit by being disingenuous here.

"ah the horror of 1 KP with killcred"
--2 seconds later...
"wOAh vIGi eXiSt?!"

I shouldn't have to answer why attempting to townslip is beneficial

How is that a slip...? I can't see it.

Slip explained later.

[SparkingJay]

How do I choose who to vote on Day 1?
Is there a strategy I should be following?

Just follow my votes

[SparkingJay]

/vote UzayAltay

Nice omgus, is there any base behind this?