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Re: VFM66 | Which is the lie? | Day 1

Postby TheWabbit » Mon Mar 30, 2020 9:34 pm

hyena you should have 100 games on this site
drives you insane, probably beyond repair
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Re: VFM66 | Which is the lie? | Day 1

Postby LOLingHyena » Mon Mar 30, 2020 9:34 pm

TheWabbit wrote:obviously my main goal would be to try and eliminate those that can threaten my chances of yeeting the entire game

/vote LOLingHyena

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Re: VFM66 | Which is the lie? | Day 1

Postby TheWabbit » Mon Mar 30, 2020 9:35 pm

LOLingHyena wrote:
leeten wrote:
TheWabbit wrote:
leeten wrote:wabbit can i tr you, pocket you, and then proceed to sheep you

depends, do you have a reservation?

yeah, you need a picture of my ticket

tbh lets just get you, chemist, and maybe hyena in f3 and let you all 1v1 to freelo

I win 100% of the time here in that f3, I think.

yes

i excel more in early/midgame than lategame
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Re: VFM66 | Which is the lie? | Day 1

Postby LOLingHyena » Mon Mar 30, 2020 9:35 pm

TheWabbit wrote:hyena you should have 100 games on this site
drives you insane, probably beyond repair

I probably don't. I'm a washed up player who only plays once in a blue moon anymore. ;-;
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Re: VFM66 | Which is the lie? | Day 1

Postby LOLingHyena » Mon Mar 30, 2020 9:36 pm

TheWabbit wrote:
LOLingHyena wrote:
leeten wrote:
TheWabbit wrote:
leeten wrote:wabbit can i tr you, pocket you, and then proceed to sheep you

depends, do you have a reservation?

yeah, you need a picture of my ticket

tbh lets just get you, chemist, and maybe hyena in f3 and let you all 1v1 to freelo

I win 100% of the time here in that f3, I think.

yes

i excel more in early/midgame than lategame

I'm terrible at the midgame. ;-;
On the prospect of me being a wolf in VFM 18:
milte345 wrote:A hyena can't be a wolf because it is in fact a hyena
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Re: VFM66 | Which is the lie? | Day 1

Postby TheWabbit » Mon Mar 30, 2020 9:36 pm

LOLingHyena wrote:
TheWabbit wrote:hyena you should have 100 games on this site
drives you insane, probably beyond repair

I probably don't. I'm a washed up player who only plays once in a blue moon anymore. ;-;

mmmm

it's the path that leads to the opposite of enlightenment

just thought that maybe i can entice you to join the dark side
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Re: VFM66 | Which is the lie? | Day 1

Postby LOLingHyena » Mon Mar 30, 2020 9:39 pm

TheWabbit wrote:
LOLingHyena wrote:
TheWabbit wrote:hyena you should have 100 games on this site
drives you insane, probably beyond repair

I probably don't. I'm a washed up player who only plays once in a blue moon anymore. ;-;

mmmm

it's the path that leads to the opposite of enlightenment

just thought that maybe i can entice you to join the dark side

I was already insane before I joined this site though. >:D
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milte345 wrote:A hyena can't be a wolf because it is in fact a hyena
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Re: VFM66 | Which is the lie? | Day 1

Postby AcidicBreeze » Mon Mar 30, 2020 9:42 pm

TheWabbit wrote:
LOLingHyena wrote:
leeten wrote:
TheWabbit wrote:
leeten wrote:wabbit can i tr you, pocket you, and then proceed to sheep you

depends, do you have a reservation?

yeah, you need a picture of my ticket

tbh lets just get you, chemist, and maybe hyena in f3 and let you all 1v1 to freelo

I win 100% of the time here in that f3, I think.

yes

i excel more in early/midgame than lategame

late game is the only thing im good at :(
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Re: VFM66 | Which is the lie? | Day 1

Postby LOLingHyena » Mon Mar 30, 2020 9:43 pm

Royee wrote:TheWabbit|4|polypies73, SparkingJayYT, EqsyLootz, Chemist1422;nycqwop|1|LOLingHyena;TheDebil|1|watchme1

Eqsy is probably scum, by the way.
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Re: VFM66 | Which is the lie? | Day 1

Postby polypies73 » Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:16 pm

leeten wrote:
polypies73 wrote:
leeten wrote:/vote poylpies

who's alt is this

why is this your response to a naked vote on you

excuse me what
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Re: VFM66 | Which is the lie? | Day 1

Postby polypies73 » Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:18 pm

TheWabbit wrote:hyena you should have 100 games on this site
drives you insane, probably beyond repair

i agree
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Re: VFM66 | Which is the lie? | Day 1

Postby polypies73 » Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:19 pm

AcidicBreeze wrote:
TheWabbit wrote:
LOLingHyena wrote:
leeten wrote:
TheWabbit wrote:
leeten wrote:wabbit can i tr you, pocket you, and then proceed to sheep you

depends, do you have a reservation?

yeah, you need a picture of my ticket

tbh lets just get you, chemist, and maybe hyena in f3 and let you all 1v1 to freelo

I win 100% of the time here in that f3, I think.

yes

i excel more in early/midgame than lategame

late game is the only thing im good at :(

you sure about that
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Re: VFM66 | Which is the lie? | Day 1

Postby polypies73 » Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:20 pm

so basically eqsy and watchme are scum
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Re: VFM66 | Which is the lie? | Day 1

Postby watchme1 » Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:26 pm

polypies73 wrote:so basically eqsy and watchme are scum


I don't disagree
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Re: VFM66 | Which is the lie? | Day 1

Postby TheDebil » Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:20 pm

uzay is confirmed town
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Re: VFM66 | Which is the lie? | Day 1

Postby polypies73 » Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:25 pm

TheDebil wrote:uzay is confirmed town

yes
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Re: VFM66 | Which is the lie? | Day 1

Postby leeten » Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:35 am

polypies73 wrote:
leeten wrote:
polypies73 wrote:
leeten wrote:/vote poylpies

who's alt is this

why is this your response to a naked vote on you

excuse me what

my entry post is a naked vote

your response is 'who's alt is this'

and that's it

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Re: VFM66 | Which is the lie? | Day 1

Postby watchme1 » Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:35 am

TheDebil wrote:uzay is confirmed town


No
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Re: VFM66 | Which is the lie? | Day 1

Postby polypies73 » Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:42 am

leeten wrote:
polypies73 wrote:
leeten wrote:
polypies73 wrote:
leeten wrote:/vote poylpies

who's alt is this

why is this your response to a naked vote on you

excuse me what

my entry post is a naked vote

your response is 'who's alt is this'

and that's it

TheDebil wrote:uzay is confirmed town

yes

you act like my response is bad smh
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Re: VFM66 | Which is the lie? | Day 1

Postby TheDebil » Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:52 am

watchme1 wrote:
TheDebil wrote:uzay is confirmed town


No

/vote watchme
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Re: VFM66 | Which is the lie? | Day 1

Postby watchme1 » Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:58 am

TheDebil wrote:
watchme1 wrote:
TheDebil wrote:uzay is confirmed town


No

/vote watchme


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Re: VFM66 | Which is the lie? | Day 1

Postby Royee » Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:20 am

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Re: VFM66 | Which is the lie? | Day 1

Postby UzayAltay » Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:38 am

LOLingHyena wrote:
SparkingJayYT wrote:Odds on Uzay meowing for the entire day

Do it, Uzay. :P Otherwise, I'm going to push for your lynch.

I already missed The Train for that .
And that Game there was A cat flavor .
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Re: VFM66 | Which is the lie? | Day 1

Postby UzayAltay » Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:44 am

Also Sparking I think You should have started The Game Like that :

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quick note about WW theory and how I will play this game. Note that the arguments and facts presented here are indisputable, and that I will not engage in arguments about them, because those arguments are you wasting everyone else's time about meta that is well and comprehensively established. Go make reads so we can read you.

I've reflected on my role and realized that there is a GTO play for me in this game, and therefore I am compelled to pursue it. I am going to brute force my clearness immediately upon the opening of the thread.

I am hard-claiming, I am the babysitter.

Benefits:

1. I will survive tonight: I do not believe the wolves are able to kill me tonight, because it is so objectively unlikely that I would ever do this as the babysitter. I believe that this decision reduces the importance of the babysitter cover to be provided by all of you to the point of it being negligible. The wolves have already been outplayed, as it were.

2. I'm lock clear: All of you already know I'm lock clear, because it is so objectively unlikely that I would do this as a wolf. You know this for at least two reasons. First, this is the easiest, lowest-stress, lowest-demand game to wolf in that I've ever played in (except for turbos). I have no need to complicate my life, as a wolf, by open-claiming on thread open, when all Ihave to do is provide like a C-level wolf game to probably win. This is the rare instance where you literally know that I have a billion other options as a wolf, AND that I would pursue probably ALL of them before pursuing this. Second, I engage in FPS exceedingly rarely, which necessarily means that I *know* that this will look WEIRD and SHOCKING to you. There is no merit to a wolf play that instantly generates WEIRD and SHOCKED responses that I would be obligated to finesse and manage for the remainder of the game. As a villager, which I am, the burden is totally on you to not $#@! up and lynch me. Makes my life super awesome.

3. There are only 11 players you need to try to read, rather than 12: I have already provided a "free" check of me in a game with a mere 13 players. Our win equity is dramatically improved by my being entirely off the table for the entire game.

Conclusion:

The burden of sound reasoning is now entirely upon you. I am the doc, and thus a villager, and thus lock clear. The game is immediately simpler than it would otherwise have been, because of my decision. Now, let us enjoy that benefit and win the game.

Also, to preempt a lengthy and pointless discussion.

It is NOT dumb to ponder this post and convince yourself of its wisdom. That is your obligation as a villager, and I encourage you to think it over for as long as it takes to quell your (initially valid but ultimately unnecessary) concerns.

It IS dumb to, AFTER doing that pondering, conclude that I'm "neutral" or "wolfy." That is legitimately stupid, and I won't entertain it. ONE of the reasons it is a stupid conclusion is that the upside of this play as a wolf is absolutely DWARFED by the upside of this play as a villager. There is no equivalency between the EV gain for wolf-me in this position and villager-me in this position. They're universes apart. That means I wouldn't DO the poorer option of the two (by extension, wolf-me also wouldn't BELIEVE that I could convince the entire game of the truth of these assertions for the entire game, which as an end-game wolf I would have to believe if this strategem were to be worth pursuing). A SECOND reason that conclusion is stupid is that the EV bonus of doing this as a wolf is COMPLETELY DWARFED by me baseline wolf EV anyway. Anything that complicates my wolfing life is RIDICULOUSLY stupid for me to do, given that my wolfing life is ALREADY one of the smoothest, highest expectation wolfing lives in WW history anyway. A THIRD reason that conclusion is stupid is that you would probably have to worry about being EXPLOITED by this gambit in order to get there. However, I have NEVER engaged in this, or any similar, gambit in my entire career, meaning that if there IS exploitation to be had with this play, it is in FUTURE GAMES, not this game. For these reasons, pressuring me is extremely wolfy and should not be engaged in by any villager, ever, in this game. There will be no less productive pursuit than that in this game.

Sucks for the wolves when meta is wielded this brutally, but my allegiance is plain and my strategy perfect. Get #rekt
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Re: VFM66 | Which is the lie? | Day 1

Postby UzayAltay » Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:46 am

nycqwop wrote:
LOLingHyena wrote:
nycqwop wrote:
SparkingJayYT wrote:I have no clue what the middle word is.


What value is there in not specifying which I think?

Hello! Welcome to Forum Mafia! :D


Thanks! Looking forward to it! Just finishing a read of the last VFM game to get an idea of what I'm in for.

Pray for they are not a PR that took Acidic as a role-model Yeah , reading old games seems A good idea to warm up.
Though You may want to choose A shorter VFM to read .
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