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Re: VFM64 | Donner Party | Day 2

Postby SparkingJay » Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:28 pm

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Whirlwindwarrior wrote:Crimson is arguably towny and shouldn’t be in the lower PoE. He doesn’t have a ton of content but what he does have is solid and he’s not out of his townrange.

what

What does he have, discrediting reads whilst making no content himself correlates to his latest scum game.

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Re: VFM64 | Donner Party | Day 2

Postby watchme1 » Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:34 pm

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watchme1 wrote:After thinking about it for a bit i'm just going to trust flake here and hope he knows what he's talking about and and trust his trs on uzay/spark

Well non-mafia at least. Can still expect sk!uzay/spark to exist

so what is your poe then, just crimson? as far as i remember flake has me and eqzy as town too


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there's ur d1 lynch pool


This was what he had, but w/ jackson's lynch out of the way, his poe could be re-evaluated
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Re: VFM64 | Donner Party | Day 2

Postby watchme1 » Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:35 pm

SparkingJayYT wrote:
watchme1 wrote:After thinking about it for a bit i'm just going to trust flake here and hope he knows what he's talking about and and trust his trs on uzay/spark

Well non-mafia at least. Can still expect sk!uzay/spark to exist

SK!Me would never kill someone who says I am their toptown, it's -ev. This is getting repetitive


Sk is different from maf tho, I remember doing the same in SFM65 where I went ahead to chain stab two people who had me as decent tr's before I got nailed in the coffin cause I got consig'd
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Re: VFM64 | Donner Party | Day 2

Postby watchme1 » Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:38 pm

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SparkingJayYT wrote:Anyone who tries to argue that Escort hiding is +EV for town, should burn

Uhh Let me calculate
Also it Will be A good practice for my tomorrow exam but whatever
Assuming Desert is off-visit ( and vig! Kosmo shot desert)

Maf-> Flake = 1/9
SK -> Flake = 1/9
Maf-> SK = 1/9
Escort -> Maf = 1/9

Maf isnt blocked , Maf/SK crosskill Flake = 8/(9^3)
Maf isnt blocked , Maf attack SK , SK kill Flake = Same as above
Maf blocked , SKattack Flake= 1/81
P(Maf blocked | Flake died ) = 9/25 =36%
Rand lynch = 2/9 = 22%
I Dont think it worth The risk

Someone had to do the ioa for this and thank god you did.

Stats don't lie, I still see no reason for escort to out.
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Re: VFM64 | Donner Party | Day 2

Postby watchme1 » Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:40 pm

Actually Debil probs doesn't flip mafia not cause of flake's reasonings, but similar situation in vfm63 where he was the only one left in the poe, here he's also in the poe but he's not acting up too much about it, probs towny, maybe sk but not maf.
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Re: VFM64 | Donner Party | Day 2

Postby Whirlwindwarrior » Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:41 pm

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Whirlwindwarrior wrote:Crimson is arguably towny and shouldn’t be in the lower PoE. He doesn’t have a ton of content but what he does have is solid and he’s not out of his townrange.

what

What does he have, discrediting reads whilst making no content himself correlates to his latest scum game.

You’re one to talk about discrediting reads.

I’ll pull up the quotes soon.
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Re: VFM64 | Donner Party | Day 2

Postby SparkingJay » Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:43 pm

Whirlwindwarrior wrote:
SparkingJayYT wrote:
SparkingJayYT wrote:
Whirlwindwarrior wrote:Crimson is arguably towny and shouldn’t be in the lower PoE. He doesn’t have a ton of content but what he does have is solid and he’s not out of his townrange.

what

What does he have, discrediting reads whilst making no content himself correlates to his latest scum game.

You’re one to talk about discrediting reads.

I’ll pull up the quotes soon.

If I disagree with a read then I will, difference is that he does it whilst not making content himself.

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Re: VFM64 | Donner Party | Day 2

Postby watchme1 » Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:43 pm

Crimson!town tends to not make much content himself, see vfm63
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Re: VFM64 | Donner Party | Day 2

Postby watchme1 » Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:43 pm

watchme1 wrote:Crimson!town tends to not make much content himself, see vfm63


He's more condescending as scum I feel
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Re: VFM64 | Donner Party | Day 2

Postby Whirlwindwarrior » Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:44 pm

watchme1 wrote:Crimson!town tends to not make much content himself, see vfm63

I agree with this as well.
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Re: VFM64 | Donner Party | Day 2

Postby Whirlwindwarrior » Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:45 pm

@Sparking
Crimson97 wrote:
Whirlwindwarrior wrote:
watchme1 wrote:
EqsyLootz wrote:Hello fellow cannibalistic cats! Hows it going!


Only the vig and scum are cannibalistic either you are vig or scum slipped :^)

He can't be vig, because I'm the vig!

That said, I dislike Desert copying Debil's entrance, it felt like a forced way to try to get into the game.

/vote DesertStorm11

I feel like if it was their entrance it wouldn't be that bad, or if it was a reply inmediately after Debil posted it. But yeah, the fact they decided to copy a random post like that seems like they felt they needed to meme but didn't know how.

Crimson97 wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:desert's nonexistance is probably towny at this point
probably citizen or something

/unvote

i disagree. It's nai unless someone can prove this is their meta.

Crimson97 wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
Crimson97 wrote:Also, meowing half a day is a good way to kill time while people get another wagon rolling. I could see scum doing that.

why wouldnt he do it for the entire day tho
him losing wim to meow seems towny to me cuz i cant see the scum motivation there

Cuz that way he can play it off as a joke. People would start getting annoyed by someone intentioanlly making themselves more difficult to understand. Not to mention it'd probably break ejji's rules.

Crimson97 wrote:
EqsyLootz wrote:
TheDebil wrote:
EqsyLootz wrote:
Flake wrote:do you know what a joke is


Okay flake. You saying "Do you know what a joke is" is spicy and agressive. Not like your town meta.
/meow Flake

and what is his town meta


Being laid-back. Chill. Funny, messing with others. Not having the urge to get into an argument etc.
So what i've seen..

EqsyLootz wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:Easy can I ask You Why Flake is out of PoE ?


Cause flake is always like this. They are null although they are good policy lynch, Im waiting for them to get out of memephase.

What made you chance your mind?

Crimson97 wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:
Crimson97 wrote:
EqsyLootz wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:
Flake wrote:
EqsyLootz wrote:
Flake wrote:i have a bad feeling that eqsy death tunnels me this game

we're in for a ride


Probably. Can't wait. Tbh all it takes is someone smart to come in and talk some sense out of me sooo lets see.¯\_( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)_/¯

bold of you to assume there's someone smart

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Uzay... Fr. Stop Lurking with emojis -_-.

He's not lurking, he's just making himself impossible to read.

You could ask for subtitle at any post
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Subtitle every post.

This one isn't exactly content, but it's pushing for it in a towny way.
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Re: VFM64 | Donner Party | Day 1

Postby ejjinami » Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:50 pm

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Re: VFM64 | Donner Party | Day 2

Postby Whirlwindwarrior » Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:54 pm

I don't think Sparking is being thorough with his reads in a way that he would be as town. He never followed up on Jackson's meta when I brought it up, and his Crimson push feels like an easy push on LHF.
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Re: VFM64 | Donner Party | Day 2

Postby AcidicBreeze » Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:56 pm

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Re: VFM64 | Donner Party | Day 2

Postby SparkingJay » Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:06 pm

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Whirlwindwarrior wrote:@Sparking
Crimson97 wrote:
Whirlwindwarrior wrote:
watchme1 wrote:
EqsyLootz wrote:Hello fellow cannibalistic cats! Hows it going!


Only the vig and scum are cannibalistic either you are vig or scum slipped :^)

He can't be vig, because I'm the vig!

That said, I dislike Desert copying Debil's entrance, it felt like a forced way to try to get into the game.

/vote DesertStorm11

I feel like if it was their entrance it wouldn't be that bad, or if it was a reply inmediately after Debil posted it. But yeah, the fact they decided to copy a random post like that seems like they felt they needed to meme but didn't know how.

Crimson97 wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:desert's nonexistance is probably towny at this point
probably citizen or something

/unvote

i disagree. It's nai unless someone can prove this is their meta.

Crimson97 wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
Crimson97 wrote:Also, meowing half a day is a good way to kill time while people get another wagon rolling. I could see scum doing that.

why wouldnt he do it for the entire day tho
him losing wim to meow seems towny to me cuz i cant see the scum motivation there

Cuz that way he can play it off as a joke. People would start getting annoyed by someone intentioanlly making themselves more difficult to understand. Not to mention it'd probably break ejji's rules.

Crimson97 wrote:
EqsyLootz wrote:
TheDebil wrote:
EqsyLootz wrote:
Flake wrote:do you know what a joke is


Okay flake. You saying "Do you know what a joke is" is spicy and agressive. Not like your town meta.
/meow Flake

and what is his town meta


Being laid-back. Chill. Funny, messing with others. Not having the urge to get into an argument etc.
So what i've seen..

EqsyLootz wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:Easy can I ask You Why Flake is out of PoE ?


Cause flake is always like this. They are null although they are good policy lynch, Im waiting for them to get out of memephase.

What made you chance your mind?

Crimson97 wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:
Crimson97 wrote:
EqsyLootz wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:
Flake wrote:
EqsyLootz wrote:
Flake wrote:i have a bad feeling that eqsy death tunnels me this game

we're in for a ride


Probably. Can't wait. Tbh all it takes is someone smart to come in and talk some sense out of me sooo lets see.¯\_( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)_/¯

bold of you to assume there's someone smart

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Uzay... Fr. Stop Lurking with emojis -_-.

He's not lurking, he's just making himself impossible to read.

You could ask for subtitle at any post
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Subtitle every post.

This one isn't exactly content, but it's pushing for it in a towny way.

1st is a sheeped read with minor alterations being that he added 'if he replied to Debil'.
2nd is an example of Crimson discredits reads whilst not doing much himself, compare that to these in VFM63:
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Crimson97 wrote:That it's NAI, given how little they had posted at the time.

Crimson97 wrote:Sparking comments on the read lists seem town motivated, unless there's scum in Eqsy/Jackson. Then it'd be NAI.

If you actually decided to analyse his scumgame you would know that post isn't outside of his scumrange
3rd is somewhat of content, don't agree with it but sure.
4th isn't content, he is asking for others to explain their reads.
5th he just asks Uzay to subtitle his posts after Uzay suggests he asks it.

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Re: VFM64 | Donner Party | Day 2

Postby SparkingJay » Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:10 pm

Whirlwindwarrior wrote:I don't think Sparking is being thorough with his reads in a way that he would be as town. He never followed up on Jackson's meta when I brought it up, and his Crimson push feels like an easy push on LHF.

What was there to compare, half his posts were irrelevant and NAI. Bringing meta with Jackson there isn't as reliable.

Do you seriously think my push on Crimson isn't justified? You are defending them for the exact reasons I scumread them whilst quoting posts that aren't indicative of him being town. You haven't explained why either of the posts were townie only that they were 'content' which doesn't suffice.

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Re: VFM64 | Donner Party | Day 2

Postby SparkingJay » Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:12 pm

I feel at this point you are arguing Crimson's alignment with me purely on the basis of your previous case on me, snap out of that mindset.

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Re: VFM64 | Donner Party | Day 2

Postby Whirlwindwarrior » Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:17 pm

You didn't ask me to explain how they were towny, you asked me where he made content. And it's not discrediting to say that a bad read is bad.
SparkingJayYT wrote:I feel at this point you are arguing Crimson's alignment with me purely on the basis of your previous case on me, snap out of that mindset.

Associations don't matter anymore, so I'd have to be stupid to think Crimson is town because I think you're scum.
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Re: VFM64 | Donner Party | Day 2

Postby SparkingJay » Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:23 pm

Whirlwindwarrior wrote:You didn't ask me to explain how they were towny, you asked me where he made content. And it's not discrediting to say that a bad read is bad.
SparkingJayYT wrote:I feel at this point you are arguing Crimson's alignment with me purely on the basis of your previous case on me, snap out of that mindset.

Associations don't matter anymore, so I'd have to be stupid to think Crimson is town because I think you're scum.

I quoted why most of them aren't even content, hence why your argument for town!Crimson doesn't hold.

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Re: VFM64 | Donner Party | Day 2

Postby SparkingJay » Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:23 pm

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Re: VFM64 | Donner Party | Day 2

Postby Whirlwindwarrior » Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:26 pm

1. Analysis of another player's read and agreeing with it isn't sheeping, this feels like a misrep.
2. Except he's not discrediting, he's disagreeing with the basis of the read.
4. It's trying to analyze Eqsy's alignment by trying to see his thought process, which is solving.
5. As I said, not explicitly content, still pushing for content to be created.
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Re: VFM64 | Donner Party | Day 2

Postby watchme1 » Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:26 pm

SparkingJayYT wrote:
Whirlwindwarrior wrote:I don't think Sparking is being thorough with his reads in a way that he would be as town. He never followed up on Jackson's meta when I brought it up, and his Crimson push feels like an easy push on LHF.

What was there to compare, half his posts were irrelevant and NAI. Bringing meta with Jackson there isn't as reliable.

Do you seriously think my push on Crimson isn't justified? You are defending them for the exact reasons I scumread them whilst quoting posts that aren't indicative of him being town. You haven't explained why either of the posts were townie only that they were 'content' which doesn't suffice.

If you actually look back at even some of crimson's town games vs. his scum games, he's still at least trying to help in a towny way, see sfm63, he did nil all but legit basically say "ya'll bad"

Personally I think the level of coasting that Crimson does is indicative, while he's not the type of player to spill content from his mouth 24/7, his coasting if looked at can tell if he's town or not. And here it's towny
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Re: VFM64 | Donner Party | Day 2

Postby watchme1 » Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:27 pm

@Spark, who else outside of crimson do you sr?
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Re: VFM64 | Donner Party | Day 2

Postby SparkingJay » Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:33 pm

watchme1 wrote:@Spark, who else outside of crimson do you sr?

I made a readslist last page

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Re: VFM64 | Donner Party | Day 2

Postby SparkingJay » Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:36 pm

I'm self-hammering at L-1 because this is like trying to throw a tennis ball through a brick wall, it'll never work out.

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