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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

Postby UzayAltay » Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:44 pm

Multiuniverse wrote:
LOLingHyena wrote:I feel like my frustration is becoming a detriment to my ability to read people right now, so I'm going to try to do something else.

I did some thinking, and [Uzay, Michael, Poly] -- is it unreasonable to think that there is AT LEAST one town in this group? If Uzay is scum, I think Poly might be his townpeek, which would make Poly the "at least one town" in this scenario with Michael still being a question mark. If Poly is scum, does that increase the likelihood of Uzay and Michael being town? Uzay was wrong on Jackson though, so I dunno if this holds up strongly for him, but in Michael's case, I think it kinda applies? So, Michael would be the "at least one town" in this scenario. Finally, if Michael is scum... I don't know if this affects how I'm reading Uzay and Poly? But it would make me feel confident in my own reads again, which in turn would lead me to believe Poly, again, would be the "at least one town" in this scenario.

If we can confirm that there is at least ONE town in that group, then I might use [Uzay/Michael/Poly] as a single slot in my towncore for now and try to look outside of it for scum.


How does this analysis benefit us in any way, shape, or form

I think , they are planning an endgame vote after they are sure no scum outside there
Which is ???
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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

Postby Multiuniverse » Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:45 pm

Honestly at this point I only lowkey scumread uzay because he's answering everything that's addressed at me and it just feels like he's buddying with me

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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

Postby Multiuniverse » Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:46 pm

@kosmo, hyena, dota, sparking, everyone else who townread acidic

Gimme a case on town!acidic

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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

Postby kosmo16 » Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:48 pm

Multiuniverse wrote:@kosmo, hyena, dota, sparking, everyone else who townread acidic

Gimme a case on town!acidic


It's exactly the same thing you probably scumread them. But for me it is just twtbaw.
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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

Postby UzayAltay » Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:48 pm

Multiuniverse wrote:Honestly at this point I only lowkey scumread uzay because he's answering everything that's addressed at me and it just feels like he's buddying with me

:Facepalm: Sparking specially asked me to react that
I would prefer not speaking with waiting for your reaction
I Dont remember I answered older things directed to You
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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

Postby SparkingJay » Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:19 pm

UzayAltay wrote:@sparking reaction to Mluti case of dota



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dota2reporter wrote:1. scumread to townread ratio, and just reads in general

multi's reads in order:
* uzay is scummy
* nvm he isnt
* always is scum
* im paranoid of hyena
* wabbit is towny
* jackson can die
* debil is towny
* hyena is scummy
* but so is 0ver
* i want acidic dead too (idk where that came from)
* michael isnt scummy, hes null
* poly wagon has depth to it unlike the htg wagon

there's barely any townreads in here, majority of the game multi's focusing on scumreading/tunneling, first of all, 2 flipped towns (jackson/always), and also acidic who's likely town as well
also half of the townreads are to traitors PogChamp
and as you can see forming reads pretty much stops at day 3, day 4 theres nothing new from multi other than just going on and on how people like always, acidic and jackson are scum

2. lamist entrance

i usually dont consider lamist posts as scummy, they're nai to me until there's way too many of them or they're right at the start of the day
let me quote all the ones i could find:
Multiuniverse wrote:/vote end my paranoia

Clearly we're all town and eragon is just trolling us


Multiuniverse wrote:
TheWabbit wrote:we can stick to giving 3 names (aside from yourself, dimwit) of who you think is town

catch is that you are not to explain any of the three

i shouldn't explain why and neither of you should question why else mafia may catch up with my plan

I'll start:
- Tiltedcomedian
- heytheregirl17
- JacksonVirgo


Multi
Multi
Multi

You can't stop me


Multiuniverse wrote:I dont like hyena giving me a d1 pass
Fight me


3. not being on any of the top wagons
multi's just in his own shell of tunnel and i think this explains it very well
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This player has to be evaluated based on couple of factors. In my opinion, you still shouldn't focus on the accuracy of his reads. What's more important is the manner in which the player pushes his wolf reads. You will usually come across two types of wolves at this level:

First one is an enhanced version of the level 1 player - a calm player avoiding responsibility. However he tries to improve his game by pushing one or two players all game because he feels the need to attack someone to look like he's actually here to wolf hunt.
If you spot a player with a very narrow look at the game, be wary of him.


he doesnt want to listen to arguments as to why the people hes pushing could be town or why the people wagoned are better wagons, he goes on and on about jackson always and acidic

proof to that is how he is at EoD but does nothing

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Chemist1422 wrote:
Multiuniverse wrote:
LOLingHyena wrote:
Multiuniverse wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:@Multi
@Always
@Debil
@Poly
Which of watchme/Jackson would you vote right now if you had to?


i havent read them yet and will not do it rn

When will you do it?

when im not playing dnd
when does d1 end

1h 45m

oh
oh well

Multiuniverse wrote:oh nvm wabbit is online to hammer is need be
my duty is done


4. indifference to the people on the block
multi didnt care about solving watchme/jackson nor did he have a real read on over, he just said "over is bad" and thats it
also said almost nothing about htg/my case on her except "case on poly is better" (he didnt even vote poly lol)
and i dont think he even participated at EoD4

so yeah that's what i got

TBH I think Multi is different from Last paranoia Game ( that was Why I put them in TP on my list ) . I want to see Multi's reaction to that to comment about Multi's alignment, but I think I can say my opinions about points .
2) I Dont think that is indicative at All , I didnt Get How 3rd quote is LAMIST and and 2 post , isnt Scummy or towny in any way IMO .
3) That is fair . I want to Check one thing to comment on that ( Day 1 Multi's vote/Last post ) .Assuming The thing I Check Dont help them , It is possible town!multi Do that as well , but scum is likelier as Dota Said .
PS - I just realized that Dont help Multi at All .
4) TBH Given that 0 people commented on my Poly case , Idk How much that is indicative . Last sentence is NAI as well .
1) No offense but I would scumread Multi If they tried to act towny with readlists
Is it possible them faking current attidude ? Yes , but opposite is Also possible .
TLDR : Case has some Merit , but I want to see Multi's reaction to decide on Multi .

In what way are they different to last Paranoia game?
2)3rd quote I think is LAMIST because not accepting a Day pass is generally seen as a Townie action.
4)Difference is Poly wasn't a wagon unlike Watchme/Jackson, so trying to resolve the wagons has higher importance.

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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

Postby SparkingJay » Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:21 pm

UzayAltay wrote:
Multiuniverse wrote:Honestly at this point I only lowkey scumread uzay because he's answering everything that's addressed at me and it just feels like he's buddying with me

:Facepalm: Sparking specially asked me to react that
I would prefer not speaking with waiting for your reaction
I Dont remember I answered older things directed to You

Yeah I did ask, mainly because I want to see more of your reads outside of Poly.

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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

Postby SparkingJay » Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:26 pm

Multiuniverse wrote:@kosmo, hyena, dota, sparking, everyone else who townread acidic

Gimme a case on town!acidic

- Townslip D1 = Could be genuine seeing as Acidic still slipped even after I denied their initial one. Not sure how I would expect Acidic to reply to me denying their first slip if they did fake it. But pushing to get their point across is probably not a way I would expect them to fake it.
- EoD on HTG - Kosmo's point on Acidic defending HTG near EoD.

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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

Postby SparkingJay » Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:27 pm

UzayAltay wrote:Also Sparking Last EOD my Caps lock Wasnt open
I Did it intentionally

oh kk

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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - The Melted: Day 4

Postby SparkingJay » Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:29 pm

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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

Postby SparkingJay » Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:30 pm

Multiuniverse wrote:
SparkingJayYT wrote:
Multiuniverse wrote:Why are people suddenly townreading acidic?

wdym suddenly? I have been tring them for a while now

Idk yesterday i remember atleast 6 people saying that acidic can die but suddenly today people like hyena and dota are suddenly townreading them and idk why they are

Dota was townreading Acidic yesterday as well.

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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

Postby Multiuniverse » Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:47 pm

SparkingJayYT wrote:
Multiuniverse wrote:@kosmo, hyena, dota, sparking, everyone else who townread acidic

Gimme a case on town!acidic

- Townslip D1 = Could be genuine seeing as Acidic still slipped even after I denied their initial one. Not sure how I would expect Acidic to reply to me denying their first slip if they did fake it. But pushing to get their point across is probably not a way I would expect them to fake it.
- EoD on HTG - Kosmo's point on Acidic defending HTG near EoD.

Can you quote all that

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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

Postby Multiuniverse » Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:48 pm

SparkingJayYT wrote:
Multiuniverse wrote:
SparkingJayYT wrote:
Multiuniverse wrote:Why are people suddenly townreading acidic?

wdym suddenly? I have been tring them for a while now

Idk yesterday i remember atleast 6 people saying that acidic can die but suddenly today people like hyena and dota are suddenly townreading them and idk why they are

Dota was townreading Acidic yesterday as well.

Oh

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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

Postby SparkingJay » Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:59 pm

SparkingJayYT wrote:
AcidicBreeze wrote:I feel like jackson has the mafia version of my role

AcidicBreeze wrote:
SparkingJayYT wrote:@Acidic Derpclear denied

Not a derp clear. I can clearly see jackson softing my role.


kosmo16 wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
kosmo16 wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:also multi is trending down for me

that analysis makes him look pretty bad, also keeping in mind my tr of acidic


My impression is that Acidic was caring for htg too much to be a scum.

could you rephrase that?


I mean why would scum care so much who will be lynched if it could mean they will be next? Acidic genuinely believed htg is town and didn't want her lynch.

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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

Postby Multiuniverse » Tue Jan 21, 2020 5:39 pm

SparkingJayYT wrote:
SparkingJayYT wrote:
AcidicBreeze wrote:I feel like jackson has the mafia version of my role

AcidicBreeze wrote:
SparkingJayYT wrote:@Acidic Derpclear denied

Not a derp clear. I can clearly see jackson softing my role.


kosmo16 wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
kosmo16 wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:also multi is trending down for me

that analysis makes him look pretty bad, also keeping in mind my tr of acidic


My impression is that Acidic was caring for htg too much to be a scum.

could you rephrase that?


I mean why would scum care so much who will be lynched if it could mean they will be next? Acidic genuinely believed htg is town and didn't want her lynch.


For the first one I fail to grasp how it is AI
For the second one
1) Lynch is better than nolynch therefore scum pursuing for a nolynch is a valid tactic
2) Perhaps they think htg was scum
3) If they vote htg they risk being venge (assuming they assume htg is town)

There was also a lot of doubt on acidic at that time so if htg was lynch then that's one lynch closer to them being lynched. By not voting they bring about a possibility of a nolynch which would delay their lynch because htg would still be focused on the next day.

While deepwolf scum wouldnt really care who is lynch as theyd live to endgame, acidic was solidly in poe zone so they would have to, as scum, worry about who gets lynched.

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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

Postby polypies73 » Tue Jan 21, 2020 6:54 pm

kosmo16 wrote:I can't see any logic in poly's disruptive behavior beside causing chaos, which is definitely not town-motivated. I think he townread Jackson and one of Jackson's scumread was his townpeak.
Uzay, Michael, Hyena, dota, Acidic, Sparking are likely Town.
/vote poly


kosmo I legitamtely cannot tell if you are joking or not. I really hope someone has already responded to this to find out.

if not guess i'll do it myself
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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

Postby polypies73 » Tue Jan 21, 2020 6:58 pm

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kosmo16 wrote:I can't see any logic in poly's disruptive behavior beside causing chaos, which is definitely not town-motivated. I think he townread Jackson and one of Jackson's scumread was his townpeak.
Uzay, Michael, Hyena, dota, Acidic, Sparking are likely Town.
/vote poly


kosmo I legitamtely cannot tell if you are joking or not. I really hope someone has already responded to this to find out.

if not guess i'll do it myself


alright looks like this was ignored lmao

1. My "chaos" is me scumreading all the scum and pushing them, i have no idea where you get "chaos" from.
2. I was literally pushing for a micheal lynch instead of a jackson lynch, hwo the fuck can you draw the conclusion that jackson is my townpeek from that.

How is my behaviour disruptive?
Have you seen uzay lol
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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

Postby polypies73 » Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:00 pm

lmao it's funny how I just suggest the scum and then dota the work for me to actually provide a detailed analysis on why they are scum.

I'm gonna say Micheal v Acidic is S v T.

Kosmo can also get a scumlean for some very suspicious posts today hmmmmmmmmm
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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

Postby polypies73 » Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:04 pm

wabbit definitely will have to die at some point we can't just have prodgers in the game especially when they don't have town equity.

[acidic?, wabbit, kosmo]
[multi, uzay, micheal]

Just gotto check et and I think that's easily a good PoE
Acidic and Micheal should always venge each other.
Multi if you are town and if you get lynched today can you venge uzay so we don't have to solve it tmrw since uzay is so worried that we won't get solved.
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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

Postby Multiuniverse » Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:07 pm

polypies73 wrote:wabbit definitely will have to die at some point we can't just have prodgers in the game especially when they don't have town equity.

[acidic?, wabbit, kosmo]
[multi, uzay, micheal]

Just gotto check et and I think that's easily a good PoE
Acidic and Micheal should always venge each other.
Multi if you are town and if you get lynched today can you venge uzay so we don't have to solve it tmrw since uzay is so worried that we won't get solved.


im sorry but i have other targets im planning to solve

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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

Postby polypies73 » Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:19 pm

Multiuniverse wrote:
polypies73 wrote:wabbit definitely will have to die at some point we can't just have prodgers in the game especially when they don't have town equity.

[acidic?, wabbit, kosmo]
[multi, uzay, micheal]

Just gotto check et and I think that's easily a good PoE
Acidic and Micheal should always venge each other.
Multi if you are town and if you get lynched today can you venge uzay so we don't have to solve it tmrw since uzay is so worried that we won't get solved.


im sorry but i have other targets im planning to solve

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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

Postby LOLingHyena » Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:52 pm

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LOLingHyena wrote:I feel like my frustration is becoming a detriment to my ability to read people right now, so I'm going to try to do something else.

I did some thinking, and [Uzay, Michael, Poly] -- is it unreasonable to think that there is AT LEAST one town in this group? If Uzay is scum, I think Poly might be his townpeek, which would make Poly the "at least one town" in this scenario with Michael still being a question mark. If Poly is scum, does that increase the likelihood of Uzay and Michael being town? Uzay was wrong on Jackson though, so I dunno if this holds up strongly for him, but in Michael's case, I think it kinda applies? So, Michael would be the "at least one town" in this scenario. Finally, if Michael is scum... I don't know if this affects how I'm reading Uzay and Poly? But it would make me feel confident in my own reads again, which in turn would lead me to believe Poly, again, would be the "at least one town" in this scenario.

If we can confirm that there is at least ONE town in that group, then I might use [Uzay/Michael/Poly] as a single slot in my towncore for now and try to look outside of it for scum.


How does this analysis benefit us in any way, shape, or form

I think , they are planning an endgame vote after they are sure no scum outside there
Which is ???

Every time either of you two ask or say stuff like this, I want to lynch both of you just a little more.

If there are two scum in those three, or even better, just one, then I think we have a good shot at finding scum outside that group of three. Yes, I'm assuming there's six scum based on Wabbit's and other people's estimations. If there are more than six scum, my argument is even better, because that actually RAISES the odds of finding scum outsides of that group of three.

It has NOTHING to do with planning any sort of endgame vote, so don't even think about trying to reframe it as such.
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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

Postby LOLingHyena » Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:55 pm

UzayAltay wrote:
LOLingHyena wrote:
LOLingHyena wrote:I feel like my frustration is becoming a detriment to my ability to read people right now, so I'm going to try to do something else.

I did some thinking, and [Uzay, Michael, Poly] -- is it unreasonable to think that there is AT LEAST one town in this group? If Uzay is scum, I think Poly might be his townpeek, which would make Poly the "at least one town" in this scenario with Michael still being a question mark. If Poly is scum, does that increase the likelihood of Uzay and Michael being town? Uzay was wrong on Jackson though, so I dunno if this holds up strongly for him, but in Michael's case, I think it kinda applies? So, Michael would be the "at least one town" in this scenario. Finally, if Michael is scum... I don't know if this affects how I'm reading Uzay and Poly? But it would make me feel confident in my own reads again, which in turn would lead me to believe Poly, again, would be the "at least one town" in this scenario.

If we can confirm that there is at least ONE town in that group, then I might use [Uzay/Michael/Poly] as a single slot in my towncore for now and try to look outside of it for scum.

Also, if we can somehow confirm that there are TWO town in that group without lynching any of them, then there's at least 3 scum outside of this group, which would further motivate me to start looking outside of [Uzay/Michael/Poly].

Btw Why Everyone is assuming scum number is 6?

Okay, Uzay. How many scum do you think are in the game? Do you think it's around six, greater than six, or less than six? And don't give me the standard "there's no way to tell right now" sounding answer that I feel like you and others have been giving me all game. Actually form an opinion on this.
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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - The Melted: Day 4

Postby LOLingHyena » Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:04 pm

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UzayAltay wrote:I found some things You Dont Like and some questions You asked , but it is All .

Good job on minimizing my points to 'things I don't like and some questions I asked'. Way to go.

Here, I'll help you. These are the three points I brought up earlier:
-- When provided a list of five people that Dota mentioned could have 3 scum in it, Michael selected Google to be the towniest over ET and Poly
-- Is suddenly not liking ET after not mentioning them at all pretty much the entire game and only AFTER Dota finds a reason to put them in his PoE?
-- Is suddenly feeling confident about Acidic without explanation after suddenly feeling not confident when given a chance to vote them yesterday and tie up their wagon with his. (and apparently, they've found another reason today to suddenly not vote Acidic even though they're feeling more confident that they're scum than Jackson).

And then here are more points that I brought up earilier D4 than that:
-- Had the same jokey, not taking things serious tone that HTG had (the evidence I gave was them proposing to thunderdome each other but not actually doing anything with it).
-- Also shaded me unnecessarily, just like HTG, for wanting to take a break from catching up during D3.
-- Making shallow threats to scumread Jackson.

And these are just points I brought up during D4. I've brought up other points during other days, too, but the ones above all come up in the first page of my ISO, so I don't know how you missed them if you're reading my posts from most recent to oldest.

I didnt took 1 4 5 as A reason
If I Did 4 and 5 Everyone would say " Dont use somebody else's play to read somebody "
1 can be geniune
I Dont remember What I thought about 2-3-6 , but I very well remember I didnt find anything AI upon looking your ISO? for posts about Michael

The only one I'll fully relent on is #2, but that's based on something that has happened today rather than yesterday.

For #4 and #5... okay. Let me ask you this then. Do you think it's reasonable to scumread the kind of shading that HTG was doing towards me, regardless if it came from HTG or not? What about if it came from HTG specifically? And then what about if it came from Michael specifically? I want an answer for all three.

For #1, if you were in Michael's place answering the question given to him, who would you have picked?
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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - The Rise of Krampus:D

Postby LOLingHyena » Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:09 pm

UzayAltay wrote:
LOLingHyena wrote:
SparkingJayYT wrote:Day 1 Jackson Wagon:
JacksonVirgo, 0verki11|5| uzayaltay, SparkingJayYT, Watchme1 AcidicBreeze, MichaelgRook

Day 4 Jackson Wagon:
JacksonVirgo|8| SparkingJayYT, dota2reporter, MichaelgRook, Thewabbit, uzayaltay, AlwaysNever, Kosmo, Poly

Why check this?
There is a good chance that at least 1 scum had a townpeek on Jackson and was afraid if scum!Watchme was being lynched D1 therefore they pushed Jackson's wagon instead. Same applies for D4 where they knew Jackson wagon was a safe kill for scum.

Potential people with a townpeek on Jackson [UzayAltay / MichaelgRook]

In an hour I will check these two's votes for the wagon

@Uzay, I want you specifically to comment on this because while I am scumreading Michael more, at least he seems to be seeing the possibility that you're scum, whereas yesterday, you stated that you weren't seeing Michael as scum. Furthermore, you pushed Jackson more so than Michael did.

I already Said my opinion about alive peek hunting
what else You want from me ?

Basically, I want you to talk about Michael. If your read is STILL null on him, I want you to explain why he is a hard null for you. I want you to give examples of stuff that he's done that people have brought up and thoroughly explain why it can come both from town!Michael and from scum!Michael. That would prove to me that you're actually making an effort to evaluate him and that you're not just saying that he's null to counter arguments made against him.
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