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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

Postby SparkingJay » Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:53 pm

LOLingHyena wrote:
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LOLingHyena wrote:And you know what? I'm calling Acidic town now. I will be considering any push on them from now on as scummy.

ooo what's your main read on them?

I was pissed off when I said this, though I think there might still be some merit to it? Like, I'm not reading them as scummy as I was, like, a day or two ago. If Michael had died and flipped scum, Acidic would've probably jumped towards the top of my reads. Yes, this is pre-flip analysis, but after not getting what I wanted, I feel like I need to make some kind of decision on them since people don't seem to want to resolve either of them. Multi could also have Acidic as a townpeek too.

Yeah that is fine if you think Michael flips scum here.
LOLingHyena wrote:
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LOLingHyena wrote:
LOLingHyena wrote:[Dota, Sparking, Acidic] <- Do NOT shoot any single one of these three if you get lynched and flipped town. I refuse to lose another townread like that.

Michael flipping scum would've probably spewed Acidic. Michael flipping town would've probably given us info about Chemist's alignment. There was NO reason why he shouldn't have been shot last night. AlwaysNever flipping town gives me nothing.

Actually, I take that back. We now know that the ET scumread came from a genuine place, which should give EVERYONE more reason to look into him today. There's no more excuses to not talk about ET anymore.

Not many besides me/Jackson/AlwaysNever talked about Et, assuming someone had a townpeek on Et I'd expect them to have formed either an explained read or case on them. Might be reachy not sure.

Jackson talked about ET, too? I'll have to go back and look at what they said about ET then.

They had a townread on them late D1 I think leading into D2. Then they discussed whether Et was town/scum with me later on during D2.
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SparkingJayYT wrote:Here are my TR's:
SparkingJayYT LOLingHyena Dora2Explorer AcidicBreeze Polypies. (if these are all correct then this is 5/8 of all townies)

I want to wait to see if we can somehow clear Acidic before officially giving them a TR. Otherwise, I'm okay with this list for now.

Ok that's fine. 2 things that ping town about Acidic were the EoD on HTG and the Reaction tests D1. Poly pings town for their pure reads and overall gives townvibes.

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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

Postby SparkingJay » Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:57 pm

LOLingHyena wrote:
SparkingJayYT wrote:Here are my TR's:
SparkingJayYT LOLingHyena Dora2Explorer AcidicBreeze Polypies. (if these are all correct then this is 5/8 of all townies)

I want to wait to see if we can somehow clear Acidic before officially giving them a TR. Otherwise, I'm okay with this list for now.

Ok that's fine. 2 things that ping town about Acidic were the EoD on HTG and the possible town slips D1. Poly pings town for their pure reads and overall gives townvibes.[/quote]
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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

Postby SparkingJay » Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:58 pm

eeeeeeeee I cba you get the picture.

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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - The Rise of Krampus:D

Postby UzayAltay » Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:11 pm

LOLingHyena wrote:
SparkingJayYT wrote:Day 1 Jackson Wagon:
JacksonVirgo, 0verki11|5| uzayaltay, SparkingJayYT, Watchme1 AcidicBreeze, MichaelgRook

Day 4 Jackson Wagon:
JacksonVirgo|8| SparkingJayYT, dota2reporter, MichaelgRook, Thewabbit, uzayaltay, AlwaysNever, Kosmo, Poly

Why check this?
There is a good chance that at least 1 scum had a townpeek on Jackson and was afraid if scum!Watchme was being lynched D1 therefore they pushed Jackson's wagon instead. Same applies for D4 where they knew Jackson wagon was a safe kill for scum.

Potential people with a townpeek on Jackson [UzayAltay / MichaelgRook]

In an hour I will check these two's votes for the wagon

@Uzay, I want you specifically to comment on this because while I am scumreading Michael more, at least he seems to be seeing the possibility that you're scum, whereas yesterday, you stated that you weren't seeing Michael as scum. Furthermore, you pushed Jackson more so than Michael did.

I already Said my opinion about alive peek hunting
what else You want from me ?
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Scum Games (19-14)

NFM 48 , NFM 49 , TFM 65 ,TFM 66 , Episode XV ,TFM68 ,VFM 34, NFM61 , VFM42 , SFM53, VFM43,17E,VFM49,SFM60,CFM19,VFM54, EpisodeXIX, SFM63, 19E, 19F ,VFM62 ,VFM63,XX3,VFM66,XX5,VFM67,XX6,SFM72,XX8,VFM70,XX10,SFM76,SFM80
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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

Postby SparkingJay » Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:13 pm

@Uzay since you are here what do you think of Dota's case on Multi?

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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

Postby UzayAltay » Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:14 pm

LOLingHyena wrote:
LOLingHyena wrote:I feel like my frustration is becoming a detriment to my ability to read people right now, so I'm going to try to do something else.

I did some thinking, and [Uzay, Michael, Poly] -- is it unreasonable to think that there is AT LEAST one town in this group? If Uzay is scum, I think Poly might be his townpeek, which would make Poly the "at least one town" in this scenario with Michael still being a question mark. If Poly is scum, does that increase the likelihood of Uzay and Michael being town? Uzay was wrong on Jackson though, so I dunno if this holds up strongly for him, but in Michael's case, I think it kinda applies? So, Michael would be the "at least one town" in this scenario. Finally, if Michael is scum... I don't know if this affects how I'm reading Uzay and Poly? But it would make me feel confident in my own reads again, which in turn would lead me to believe Poly, again, would be the "at least one town" in this scenario.

If we can confirm that there is at least ONE town in that group, then I might use [Uzay/Michael/Poly] as a single slot in my towncore for now and try to look outside of it for scum.

Also, if we can somehow confirm that there are TWO town in that group without lynching any of them, then there's at least 3 scum outside of this group, which would further motivate me to start looking outside of [Uzay/Michael/Poly].

Btw Why Everyone is assuming scum number is 6?
45-44 Spoiler: Town Games(26-30)

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Scum Games (19-14)

NFM 48 , NFM 49 , TFM 65 ,TFM 66 , Episode XV ,TFM68 ,VFM 34, NFM61 , VFM42 , SFM53, VFM43,17E,VFM49,SFM60,CFM19,VFM54, EpisodeXIX, SFM63, 19E, 19F ,VFM62 ,VFM63,XX3,VFM66,XX5,VFM67,XX6,SFM72,XX8,VFM70,XX10,SFM76,SFM80
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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

Postby UzayAltay » Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:15 pm

SparkingJayYT wrote:@Uzay since you are here what do you think of Dota's case on Multi?

I skimmed it for reading it deeper after catch-up
45-44 Spoiler: Town Games(26-30)

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Scum Games (19-14)

NFM 48 , NFM 49 , TFM 65 ,TFM 66 , Episode XV ,TFM68 ,VFM 34, NFM61 , VFM42 , SFM53, VFM43,17E,VFM49,SFM60,CFM19,VFM54, EpisodeXIX, SFM63, 19E, 19F ,VFM62 ,VFM63,XX3,VFM66,XX5,VFM67,XX6,SFM72,XX8,VFM70,XX10,SFM76,SFM80
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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - The Rise of Krampus:D

Postby SparkingJay » Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:16 pm

UzayAltay wrote:
LOLingHyena wrote:
SparkingJayYT wrote:Day 1 Jackson Wagon:
JacksonVirgo, 0verki11|5| uzayaltay, SparkingJayYT, Watchme1 AcidicBreeze, MichaelgRook

Day 4 Jackson Wagon:
JacksonVirgo|8| SparkingJayYT, dota2reporter, MichaelgRook, Thewabbit, uzayaltay, AlwaysNever, Kosmo, Poly

Why check this?
There is a good chance that at least 1 scum had a townpeek on Jackson and was afraid if scum!Watchme was being lynched D1 therefore they pushed Jackson's wagon instead. Same applies for D4 where they knew Jackson wagon was a safe kill for scum.

Potential people with a townpeek on Jackson [UzayAltay / MichaelgRook]

In an hour I will check these two's votes for the wagon

@Uzay, I want you specifically to comment on this because while I am scumreading Michael more, at least he seems to be seeing the possibility that you're scum, whereas yesterday, you stated that you weren't seeing Michael as scum. Furthermore, you pushed Jackson more so than Michael did.

I already Said my opinion about alive peek hunting
what else You want from me ?

Explain your thought process on the Jackson wagons I think Hyena is asking.

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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - The Rise of Krampus:D

Postby UzayAltay » Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:25 pm

SparkingJayYT wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:
LOLingHyena wrote:
SparkingJayYT wrote:Day 1 Jackson Wagon:
JacksonVirgo, 0verki11|5| uzayaltay, SparkingJayYT, Watchme1 AcidicBreeze, MichaelgRook

Day 4 Jackson Wagon:
JacksonVirgo|8| SparkingJayYT, dota2reporter, MichaelgRook, Thewabbit, uzayaltay, AlwaysNever, Kosmo, Poly

Why check this?
There is a good chance that at least 1 scum had a townpeek on Jackson and was afraid if scum!Watchme was being lynched D1 therefore they pushed Jackson's wagon instead. Same applies for D4 where they knew Jackson wagon was a safe kill for scum.

Potential people with a townpeek on Jackson [UzayAltay / MichaelgRook]

In an hour I will check these two's votes for the wagon

@Uzay, I want you specifically to comment on this because while I am scumreading Michael more, at least he seems to be seeing the possibility that you're scum, whereas yesterday, you stated that you weren't seeing Michael as scum. Furthermore, you pushed Jackson more so than Michael did.

I already Said my opinion about alive peek hunting
what else You want from me ?

Explain your thought process on the Jackson wagons I think Hyena is asking.

Day 4 I joined Because from wagons they were The Lowest one in my reads
Day 1 Same , I had no idea about watchme wagon So I voted The other wagon , as I remember I was thinking they are likelier to be scum , but Dont remember How likely Than normal.
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Scum Games (19-14)

NFM 48 , NFM 49 , TFM 65 ,TFM 66 , Episode XV ,TFM68 ,VFM 34, NFM61 , VFM42 , SFM53, VFM43,17E,VFM49,SFM60,CFM19,VFM54, EpisodeXIX, SFM63, 19E, 19F ,VFM62 ,VFM63,XX3,VFM66,XX5,VFM67,XX6,SFM72,XX8,VFM70,XX10,SFM76,SFM80
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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

Postby UzayAltay » Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:47 pm

@sparking reaction to Mluti case of dota



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dota2reporter wrote:1. scumread to townread ratio, and just reads in general

multi's reads in order:
* uzay is scummy
* nvm he isnt
* always is scum
* im paranoid of hyena
* wabbit is towny
* jackson can die
* debil is towny
* hyena is scummy
* but so is 0ver
* i want acidic dead too (idk where that came from)
* michael isnt scummy, hes null
* poly wagon has depth to it unlike the htg wagon

there's barely any townreads in here, majority of the game multi's focusing on scumreading/tunneling, first of all, 2 flipped towns (jackson/always), and also acidic who's likely town as well
also half of the townreads are to traitors PogChamp
and as you can see forming reads pretty much stops at day 3, day 4 theres nothing new from multi other than just going on and on how people like always, acidic and jackson are scum

2. lamist entrance

i usually dont consider lamist posts as scummy, they're nai to me until there's way too many of them or they're right at the start of the day
let me quote all the ones i could find:
Multiuniverse wrote:/vote end my paranoia

Clearly we're all town and eragon is just trolling us


Multiuniverse wrote:
TheWabbit wrote:we can stick to giving 3 names (aside from yourself, dimwit) of who you think is town

catch is that you are not to explain any of the three

i shouldn't explain why and neither of you should question why else mafia may catch up with my plan

I'll start:
- Tiltedcomedian
- heytheregirl17
- JacksonVirgo


Multi
Multi
Multi

You can't stop me


Multiuniverse wrote:I dont like hyena giving me a d1 pass
Fight me


3. not being on any of the top wagons
multi's just in his own shell of tunnel and i think this explains it very well
Level 2: Solid player, played some vanilla games, knows the basics of wolf hunting
This player has to be evaluated based on couple of factors. In my opinion, you still shouldn't focus on the accuracy of his reads. What's more important is the manner in which the player pushes his wolf reads. You will usually come across two types of wolves at this level:

First one is an enhanced version of the level 1 player - a calm player avoiding responsibility. However he tries to improve his game by pushing one or two players all game because he feels the need to attack someone to look like he's actually here to wolf hunt.
If you spot a player with a very narrow look at the game, be wary of him.


he doesnt want to listen to arguments as to why the people hes pushing could be town or why the people wagoned are better wagons, he goes on and on about jackson always and acidic

proof to that is how he is at EoD but does nothing

Multiuniverse wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
Multiuniverse wrote:
LOLingHyena wrote:
Multiuniverse wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:@Multi
@Always
@Debil
@Poly
Which of watchme/Jackson would you vote right now if you had to?


i havent read them yet and will not do it rn

When will you do it?

when im not playing dnd
when does d1 end

1h 45m

oh
oh well

Multiuniverse wrote:oh nvm wabbit is online to hammer is need be
my duty is done


4. indifference to the people on the block
multi didnt care about solving watchme/jackson nor did he have a real read on over, he just said "over is bad" and thats it
also said almost nothing about htg/my case on her except "case on poly is better" (he didnt even vote poly lol)
and i dont think he even participated at EoD4

so yeah that's what i got

TBH I think Multi is different from Last paranoia Game ( that was Why I put them in TP on my list ) . I want to see Multi's reaction to that to comment about Multi's alignment, but I think I can say my opinions about points .
2) I Dont think that is indicative at All , I didnt Get How 3rd quote is LAMIST and and 2 post , isnt Scummy or towny in any way IMO .
3) That is fair . I want to Check one thing to comment on that ( Day 1 Multi's vote/Last post ) .Assuming The thing I Check Dont help them , It is possible town!multi Do that as well , but scum is likelier as Dota Said .
PS - I just realized that Dont help Multi at All .
4) TBH Given that 0 people commented on my Poly case , Idk How much that is indicative . Last sentence is NAI as well .
1) No offense but I would scumread Multi If they tried to act towny with readlists
Is it possible them faking current attidude ? Yes , but opposite is Also possible .
TLDR : Case has some Merit , but I want to see Multi's reaction to decide on Multi .
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Scum Games (19-14)

NFM 48 , NFM 49 , TFM 65 ,TFM 66 , Episode XV ,TFM68 ,VFM 34, NFM61 , VFM42 , SFM53, VFM43,17E,VFM49,SFM60,CFM19,VFM54, EpisodeXIX, SFM63, 19E, 19F ,VFM62 ,VFM63,XX3,VFM66,XX5,VFM67,XX6,SFM72,XX8,VFM70,XX10,SFM76,SFM80
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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

Postby UzayAltay » Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:48 pm

Also Sparking Last EOD my Caps lock Wasnt open
I Did it intentionally
45-44 Spoiler: Town Games(26-30)

NFM50,NFM51,NFM52,14D,14E, NFM54 ,14H (AF), 14G, NFM 55, NFM 56, 15C, NFM 57, NFM 58,15F,SFM45,16B, VFM36, 16D , SFM 47 , VFM38, NFM62 , 16G ,VFM 39, EpisodeXVII, 17B , 17C , VFM44 , 17D , 17F,18C,18D,18E,VFM55,VFM57,SFM64, 19C,VFM58,VFM59 ,19D,VFM60,SFM66,SFM67,VFM64,SFM70,VFM69,XX7,XX9, VFM71,VFM72, VFM73, VFM74, 21A,VFM75,VFM76,XX14,VFM77

Scum Games (19-14)

NFM 48 , NFM 49 , TFM 65 ,TFM 66 , Episode XV ,TFM68 ,VFM 34, NFM61 , VFM42 , SFM53, VFM43,17E,VFM49,SFM60,CFM19,VFM54, EpisodeXIX, SFM63, 19E, 19F ,VFM62 ,VFM63,XX3,VFM66,XX5,VFM67,XX6,SFM72,XX8,VFM70,XX10,SFM76,SFM80
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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - The Melted: Day 4

Postby UzayAltay » Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:52 pm

LOLingHyena wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:That Dont explain your vote on them .
When Acidic is A wagon , too

He's sheeping me, mo'fo. He literally said it when he voted. Implicitly, that means he agrees with the points that I made on Michael. Why don't you go and actually read and refute them if you disagree. Otherwise, don't try to stop my wagon by chastising people joining it.

Sheeping Dont mean You agree with points
It was my I asked
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Scum Games (19-14)

NFM 48 , NFM 49 , TFM 65 ,TFM 66 , Episode XV ,TFM68 ,VFM 34, NFM61 , VFM42 , SFM53, VFM43,17E,VFM49,SFM60,CFM19,VFM54, EpisodeXIX, SFM63, 19E, 19F ,VFM62 ,VFM63,XX3,VFM66,XX5,VFM67,XX6,SFM72,XX8,VFM70,XX10,SFM76,SFM80
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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

Postby Chemist1422 » Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:57 pm

note to self: read dota case on multi
mist ~ she/they
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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - The Melted: Day 4

Postby UzayAltay » Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:00 pm

LOLingHyena wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:I found some things You Dont Like and some questions You asked , but it is All .

Good job on minimizing my points to 'things I don't like and some questions I asked'. Way to go.

Here, I'll help you. These are the three points I brought up earlier:
-- When provided a list of five people that Dota mentioned could have 3 scum in it, Michael selected Google to be the towniest over ET and Poly
-- Is suddenly not liking ET after not mentioning them at all pretty much the entire game and only AFTER Dota finds a reason to put them in his PoE?
-- Is suddenly feeling confident about Acidic without explanation after suddenly feeling not confident when given a chance to vote them yesterday and tie up their wagon with his. (and apparently, they've found another reason today to suddenly not vote Acidic even though they're feeling more confident that they're scum than Jackson).

And then here are more points that I brought up earilier D4 than that:
-- Had the same jokey, not taking things serious tone that HTG had (the evidence I gave was them proposing to thunderdome each other but not actually doing anything with it).
-- Also shaded me unnecessarily, just like HTG, for wanting to take a break from catching up during D3.
-- Making shallow threats to scumread Jackson.

And these are just points I brought up during D4. I've brought up other points during other days, too, but the ones above all come up in the first page of my ISO, so I don't know how you missed them if you're reading my posts from most recent to oldest.

I didnt took 1 4 5 as A reason
If I Did 4 and 5 Everyone would say " Dont use somebody else's play to read somebody "
1 can be geniune
I Dont remember What I thought about 2-3-6 , but I very well remember I didnt find anything AI upon looking your ISO? for posts about Michael
45-44 Spoiler: Town Games(26-30)

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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - The Melted: Day 4

Postby UzayAltay » Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:02 pm

LOLingHyena wrote:
LOLingHyena wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:
polypies73 wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:
polypies73 wrote:uzay trying to defend micheal but not saying any reason why is hilarious

Maybe Because You Dont give any actual reason ?

You defending him is not related to me, plenty of other people scumread/vote them but you seem intent on defending them from solely ME, which is stupid.

Maybe Because I think that jump imply SvT ?

You're not even reading Michael at this point. You aren't reading any of the points I'm making against him. This is scummy as fuck, Uzay. All you're doing here is sowing doubt on the wagon without even evaluating Michael and the points made against him.

And if I remember correctly, didn't you fucking do the same when I was pushing Debil on D2 and when other people were pushing HTG D3? What the fuck. Stop trying to derail people's wagons and suspicions with this kind of bullshit.

I didnt mess with Debil or HTG wagon , Pretty sure
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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - The Melted: Day 4

Postby UzayAltay » Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:04 pm

SparkingJayYT wrote:Anyone wanna play tic tac toe?


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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

Postby UzayAltay » Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:09 pm

Anyone here to speak with me ?
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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

Postby Multiuniverse » Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:21 pm

SparkingJayYT wrote:
Multiuniverse wrote:Why are people suddenly townreading acidic?

wdym suddenly? I have been tring them for a while now

Idk yesterday i remember atleast 6 people saying that acidic can die but suddenly today people like hyena and dota are suddenly townreading them and idk why they are

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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

Postby kosmo16 » Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:27 pm

I can't see any logic in poly's disruptive behavior beside causing chaos, which is definitely not town-motivated. I think he townread Jackson and one of Jackson's scumread was his townpeak.
Uzay, Michael, Hyena, dota, Acidic, Sparking are likely Town.
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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

Postby UzayAltay » Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:28 pm

Multiuniverse wrote:
SparkingJayYT wrote:
Multiuniverse wrote:Why are people suddenly townreading acidic?

wdym suddenly? I have been tring them for a while now

Idk yesterday i remember atleast 6 people saying that acidic can die but suddenly today people like hyena and dota are suddenly townreading them and idk why they are

I still does .
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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

Postby UzayAltay » Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:29 pm

I mean I still Do.
But it is closer to scumlean Than scumread.
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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

Postby Multiuniverse » Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:39 pm

dota2reporter wrote:1. scumread to townread ratio, and just reads in general

multi's reads in order:
* uzay is scummy
* nvm he isnt
* always is scum
* im paranoid of hyena
* wabbit is towny
* jackson can die
* debil is towny
* hyena is scummy
* but so is 0ver
* i want acidic dead too (idk where that came from)
* michael isnt scummy, hes null
* poly wagon has depth to it unlike the htg wagon

there's barely any townreads in here, majority of the game multi's focusing on scumreading/tunneling, first of all, 2 flipped towns (jackson/always), and also acidic who's likely town as well
also half of the townreads are to traitors PogChamp
and as you can see forming reads pretty much stops at day 3, day 4 theres nothing new from multi other than just going on and on how people like always, acidic and jackson are scum

Ok and your point is?

Also me not making new reads recently is justified because I don't have new reads recently or if I did i didn't think it was worth mentioning. I.e. yesterday I was starting to lessen my scumread on alwaysnever but i didn't see them in any immediate danger so i didn't mention it.

Also saying that 2 of my scumreads flipped town making me scum is just a lowblow man unless you can prove that my case weren't justified at which point I would argue that you should've brought that up earlier and the fact that you didn't shows that it's fake.


2. lamist entrance

i usually dont consider lamist posts as scummy, they're nai to me until there's way too many of them or they're right at the start of the day
let me quote all the ones i could find:
Multiuniverse wrote:/vote end my paranoia

Clearly we're all town and eragon is just trolling us


Multiuniverse wrote:
TheWabbit wrote:we can stick to giving 3 names (aside from yourself, dimwit) of who you think is town

catch is that you are not to explain any of the three

i shouldn't explain why and neither of you should question why else mafia may catch up with my plan

I'll start:
- Tiltedcomedian
- heytheregirl17
- JacksonVirgo


Multi
Multi
Multi

You can't stop me


Multiuniverse wrote:I dont like hyena giving me a d1 pass
Fight me


It's literally memephase
What do you want from me


3. not being on any of the top wagons
multi's just in his own shell of tunnel and i think this explains it very well
Level 2: Solid player, played some vanilla games, knows the basics of wolf hunting
This player has to be evaluated based on couple of factors. In my opinion, you still shouldn't focus on the accuracy of his reads. What's more important is the manner in which the player pushes his wolf reads. You will usually come across two types of wolves at this level:

First one is an enhanced version of the level 1 player - a calm player avoiding responsibility. However he tries to improve his game by pushing one or two players all game because he feels the need to attack someone to look like he's actually here to wolf hunt.
If you spot a player with a very narrow look at the game, be wary of him.


1) that's literally stereotypes. It may or may not apply to me and you have to justify why this apply to me.
2) Also I have tunnel people before in my town game (rwby sfm where i tunnelled eqsy)


he doesnt want to listen to arguments as to why the people hes pushing could be town or why the people wagoned are better wagons, he goes on and on about jackson always and acidic

Because people refuse to acknowledge or tell me why my reads are bad except for hyena who commented on always. I was ignored by Jackson for the first few days and acidic kept ignoring my points as well. People acknowledge that acidic is scummy yesterday but no one did anything. I have to keep attention focus on them because without me there will be no one to put the spotlight on them and they'll slip into oblivion.

Also explain your acidic townread.


proof to that is how he is at EoD but does nothing

Multiuniverse wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
Multiuniverse wrote:
LOLingHyena wrote:
Multiuniverse wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:@Multi
@Always
@Debil
@Poly
Which of watchme/Jackson would you vote right now if you had to?


i havent read them yet and will not do it rn

When will you do it?

when im not playing dnd
when does d1 end

1h 45m

oh
oh well

Multiuniverse wrote:oh nvm wabbit is online to hammer is need be
my duty is done


In the first example I was busy so I didnt have time to carefully read them to make a good enough judgement to vote one of them

The second one is the same; if you read my other posts near it you'll see that I mention that I had to go soon and only came on briefly because I thought there was no one online to hammer and that it was EoD soon. I did this because lynch > nolynch


4. indifference to the people on the block
multi didnt care about solving watchme/jackson nor did he have a real read on over, he just said "over is bad" and thats it
also said almost nothing about htg/my case on her except "case on poly is better" (he didnt even vote poly lol)
and i dont think he even participated at EoD4

Again i was largely busy during D1
Point on over is fair but you should've asked for my reasoning which i would've provided if anyone asked (for the record it was them randomly popping in but not really engaging the thread)
For your htg case i didnt said "case on poly is better" i asked why the case on htg is better than the case on poly, which you iirc didn't reply to. I did not vote poly because I had someone else that I scumread more but no one else is inclined to follow me despite my attempts to shed light on them.


so yeah that's what i got


Your case is trash

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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

Postby Multiuniverse » Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:40 pm

LOLingHyena wrote:I feel like my frustration is becoming a detriment to my ability to read people right now, so I'm going to try to do something else.

I did some thinking, and [Uzay, Michael, Poly] -- is it unreasonable to think that there is AT LEAST one town in this group? If Uzay is scum, I think Poly might be his townpeek, which would make Poly the "at least one town" in this scenario with Michael still being a question mark. If Poly is scum, does that increase the likelihood of Uzay and Michael being town? Uzay was wrong on Jackson though, so I dunno if this holds up strongly for him, but in Michael's case, I think it kinda applies? So, Michael would be the "at least one town" in this scenario. Finally, if Michael is scum... I don't know if this affects how I'm reading Uzay and Poly? But it would make me feel confident in my own reads again, which in turn would lead me to believe Poly, again, would be the "at least one town" in this scenario.

If we can confirm that there is at least ONE town in that group, then I might use [Uzay/Michael/Poly] as a single slot in my towncore for now and try to look outside of it for scum.


How does this analysis benefit us in any way, shape, or form

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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

Postby Multiuniverse » Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:41 pm

LOLingHyena wrote:Multi, I want you to respond to Dota's case when you see it. Don't try to avoid it.


Wow how did your expectation of me fell this low

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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

Postby Multiuniverse » Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:44 pm

Okay sure, two of the people i push flip town

But the fact is why isn't any of the other people on Jackson wagon accountable for him flipping town
How about the other people who had their scumreads flip town?

Or most importantly the fact that a lot of people just ignored my early thing on jackson and iirc hyena is the only one who ever touched my case on always? If my pushes were truly illegitimate why did none of you tell me that when I made my case and my pushes?

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