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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:34 am
by MichaelgRook
dota2reporter wrote:
MichaelgRook wrote:
LOLingHyena wrote:/vote Michael

I'm not waiting for the case.

Michael, I don't understand why you're instantly unvoting Acidic AGAIN when Dota hasn't even given the case yet. What do you mean you're giving it the benefit of the doubt?

this is ridiculous

I wanted to leave my vote open for dota's case out of politeness more than anything without even mentioning a change in my confidence on acidic which hasnt change btw but I guess I can't do that

thank you man, your politeness is accepted and respected

you get lynch immunity for at least this day and probably other days onwards

if you're being serious the thought is nice but unrealistic

if you're being sarcastic why

Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:40 am
by dota2reporter
MichaelgRook wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
MichaelgRook wrote:
LOLingHyena wrote:/vote Michael

I'm not waiting for the case.

Michael, I don't understand why you're instantly unvoting Acidic AGAIN when Dota hasn't even given the case yet. What do you mean you're giving it the benefit of the doubt?

this is ridiculous

I wanted to leave my vote open for dota's case out of politeness more than anything without even mentioning a change in my confidence on acidic which hasnt change btw but I guess I can't do that

thank you man, your politeness is accepted and respected

you get lynch immunity for at least this day and probably other days onwards

if you're being serious the thought is nice but unrealistic

if you're being sarcastic why

nah man i dont use sarcasm much, that was real
dont worry i can save you no problem

Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:46 am
by MichaelgRook
poly and uzay's interactions are absolute messes and I feel safer putting them both in scumreads than analyzing their interactions

at least poly has the advantage of being understandable

Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - The Rise of Krampus:D

PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:51 am
by LOLingHyena
SparkingJayYT wrote:Day 1 Jackson Wagon:
JacksonVirgo, 0verki11|5| uzayaltay, SparkingJayYT, Watchme1 AcidicBreeze, MichaelgRook

Day 4 Jackson Wagon:
JacksonVirgo|8| SparkingJayYT, dota2reporter, MichaelgRook, Thewabbit, uzayaltay, AlwaysNever, Kosmo, Poly

Why check this?
There is a good chance that at least 1 scum had a townpeek on Jackson and was afraid if scum!Watchme was being lynched D1 therefore they pushed Jackson's wagon instead. Same applies for D4 where they knew Jackson wagon was a safe kill for scum.

Potential people with a townpeek on Jackson [UzayAltay / MichaelgRook]

In an hour I will check these two's votes for the wagon

@Uzay, I want you specifically to comment on this because while I am scumreading Michael more, at least he seems to be seeing the possibility that you're scum, whereas yesterday, you stated that you weren't seeing Michael as scum. Furthermore, you pushed Jackson more so than Michael did.

Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:52 am
by LOLingHyena
MichaelgRook wrote:poly and uzay's interactions are absolute messes and I feel safer putting them both in scumreads than analyzing their interactions

at least poly has the advantage of being understandable

Yeah. This is why I kicked Uzay out of the towncore yesterday.

Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:53 am
by LOLingHyena
dota2reporter wrote:
MichaelgRook wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
MichaelgRook wrote:
LOLingHyena wrote:/vote Michael

I'm not waiting for the case.

Michael, I don't understand why you're instantly unvoting Acidic AGAIN when Dota hasn't even given the case yet. What do you mean you're giving it the benefit of the doubt?

this is ridiculous

I wanted to leave my vote open for dota's case out of politeness more than anything without even mentioning a change in my confidence on acidic which hasnt change btw but I guess I can't do that

thank you man, your politeness is accepted and respected

you get lynch immunity for at least this day and probably other days onwards

if you're being serious the thought is nice but unrealistic

if you're being sarcastic why

nah man i dont use sarcasm much, that was real
dont worry i can save you no problem

I'm going to withhold my judgment until I see this case on Multi.

Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 12:06 pm
by LOLingHyena
SparkingJayYT wrote:
LOLingHyena wrote:And you know what? I'm calling Acidic town now. I will be considering any push on them from now on as scummy.

ooo what's your main read on them?

I was pissed off when I said this, though I think there might still be some merit to it? Like, I'm not reading them as scummy as I was, like, a day or two ago. If Michael had died and flipped scum, Acidic would've probably jumped towards the top of my reads. Yes, this is pre-flip analysis, but after not getting what I wanted, I feel like I need to make some kind of decision on them since people don't seem to want to resolve either of them. Multi could also have Acidic as a townpeek too.

SparkingJayYT wrote:
LOLingHyena wrote:
LOLingHyena wrote:[Dota, Sparking, Acidic] <- Do NOT shoot any single one of these three if you get lynched and flipped town. I refuse to lose another townread like that.

Michael flipping scum would've probably spewed Acidic. Michael flipping town would've probably given us info about Chemist's alignment. There was NO reason why he shouldn't have been shot last night. AlwaysNever flipping town gives me nothing.

Actually, I take that back. We now know that the ET scumread came from a genuine place, which should give EVERYONE more reason to look into him today. There's no more excuses to not talk about ET anymore.

Not many besides me/Jackson/AlwaysNever talked about Et, assuming someone had a townpeek on Et I'd expect them to have formed either an explained read or case on them. Might be reachy not sure.

Jackson talked about ET, too? I'll have to go back and look at what they said about ET then.

SparkingJayYT wrote:Here are my TR's:
SparkingJayYT LOLingHyena Dora2Explorer AcidicBreeze Polypies. (if these are all correct then this is 5/8 of all townies)

I want to wait to see if we can somehow clear Acidic before officially giving them a TR. Otherwise, I'm okay with this list for now.

polypies73 wrote:hyena calling acidic town pre-flip micheal is definitely a stretch

Yes, but I don't care.

Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 12:14 pm
by LOLingHyena
MichaelgRook wrote:my lynch targets as well as venge targets are in this pool

[acidic, et, poly, uzay]

I'm going to relent and say that maybe I was too hard on you for suddenly including ET in your scumpool. With that said, I still want to hear your progression on ET.

Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 12:25 pm
by dota2reporter
1. scumread to townread ratio, and just reads in general

multi's reads in order:
* uzay is scummy
* nvm he isnt
* always is scum
* im paranoid of hyena
* wabbit is towny
* jackson can die
* debil is towny
* hyena is scummy
* but so is 0ver
* i want acidic dead too (idk where that came from)
* michael isnt scummy, hes null
* poly wagon has depth to it unlike the htg wagon

there's barely any townreads in here, majority of the game multi's focusing on scumreading/tunneling, first of all, 2 flipped towns (jackson/always), and also acidic who's likely town as well
also half of the townreads are to traitors PogChamp
and as you can see forming reads pretty much stops at day 3, day 4 theres nothing new from multi other than just going on and on how people like always, acidic and jackson are scum

2. lamist entrance

i usually dont consider lamist posts as scummy, they're nai to me until there's way too many of them or they're right at the start of the day
let me quote all the ones i could find:
Multiuniverse wrote:/vote end my paranoia

Clearly we're all town and eragon is just trolling us


Multiuniverse wrote:
TheWabbit wrote:we can stick to giving 3 names (aside from yourself, dimwit) of who you think is town

catch is that you are not to explain any of the three

i shouldn't explain why and neither of you should question why else mafia may catch up with my plan

I'll start:
- Tiltedcomedian
- heytheregirl17
- JacksonVirgo


Multi
Multi
Multi

You can't stop me


Multiuniverse wrote:I dont like hyena giving me a d1 pass
Fight me


3. not being on any of the top wagons
multi's just in his own shell of tunnel and i think this explains it very well
Level 2: Solid player, played some vanilla games, knows the basics of wolf hunting
This player has to be evaluated based on couple of factors. In my opinion, you still shouldn't focus on the accuracy of his reads. What's more important is the manner in which the player pushes his wolf reads. You will usually come across two types of wolves at this level:

First one is an enhanced version of the level 1 player - a calm player avoiding responsibility. However he tries to improve his game by pushing one or two players all game because he feels the need to attack someone to look like he's actually here to wolf hunt.
If you spot a player with a very narrow look at the game, be wary of him.


he doesnt want to listen to arguments as to why the people hes pushing could be town or why the people wagoned are better wagons, he goes on and on about jackson always and acidic

proof to that is how he is at EoD but does nothing

Multiuniverse wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
Multiuniverse wrote:
LOLingHyena wrote:
Multiuniverse wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:@Multi
@Always
@Debil
@Poly
Which of watchme/Jackson would you vote right now if you had to?


i havent read them yet and will not do it rn

When will you do it?

when im not playing dnd
when does d1 end

1h 45m

oh
oh well

Multiuniverse wrote:oh nvm wabbit is online to hammer is need be
my duty is done


4. indifference to the people on the block
multi didnt care about solving watchme/jackson nor did he have a real read on over, he just said "over is bad" and thats it
also said almost nothing about htg/my case on her except "case on poly is better" (he didnt even vote poly lol)
and i dont think he even participated at EoD4

so yeah that's what i got

Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 12:27 pm
by dota2reporter
so yeah /vote multi

Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 12:35 pm
by LOLingHyena
I feel like my frustration is becoming a detriment to my ability to read people right now, so I'm going to try to do something else.

I did some thinking, and [Uzay, Michael, Poly] -- is it unreasonable to think that there is AT LEAST one town in this group? If Uzay is scum, I think Poly might be his townpeek, which would make Poly the "at least one town" in this scenario with Michael still being a question mark. If Poly is scum, does that increase the likelihood of Uzay and Michael being town? Uzay was wrong on Jackson though, so I dunno if this holds up strongly for him, but in Michael's case, I think it kinda applies? So, Michael would be the "at least one town" in this scenario. Finally, if Michael is scum... I don't know if this affects how I'm reading Uzay and Poly? But it would make me feel confident in my own reads again, which in turn would lead me to believe Poly, again, would be the "at least one town" in this scenario.

If we can confirm that there is at least ONE town in that group, then I might use [Uzay/Michael/Poly] as a single slot in my towncore for now and try to look outside of it for scum.

Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 12:36 pm
by LOLingHyena
LOLingHyena wrote:I feel like my frustration is becoming a detriment to my ability to read people right now, so I'm going to try to do something else.

I did some thinking, and [Uzay, Michael, Poly] -- is it unreasonable to think that there is AT LEAST one town in this group? If Uzay is scum, I think Poly might be his townpeek, which would make Poly the "at least one town" in this scenario with Michael still being a question mark. If Poly is scum, does that increase the likelihood of Uzay and Michael being town? Uzay was wrong on Jackson though, so I dunno if this holds up strongly for him, but in Michael's case, I think it kinda applies? So, Michael would be the "at least one town" in this scenario. Finally, if Michael is scum... I don't know if this affects how I'm reading Uzay and Poly? But it would make me feel confident in my own reads again, which in turn would lead me to believe Poly, again, would be the "at least one town" in this scenario.

If we can confirm that there is at least ONE town in that group, then I might use [Uzay/Michael/Poly] as a single slot in my towncore for now and try to look outside of it for scum.

Also, if we can somehow confirm that there are TWO town in that group without lynching any of them, then there's at least 3 scum outside of this group, which would further motivate me to start looking outside of [Uzay/Michael/Poly].

Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 12:42 pm
by LOLingHyena
Multi, I want you to respond to Dota's case when you see it. Don't try to avoid it.

Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 12:44 pm
by LOLingHyena
dota2reporter wrote:3. not being on any of the top wagons
multi's just in his own shell of tunnel and i think this explains it very well
Level 2: Solid player, played some vanilla games, knows the basics of wolf hunting
This player has to be evaluated based on couple of factors. In my opinion, you still shouldn't focus on the accuracy of his reads. What's more important is the manner in which the player pushes his wolf reads. You will usually come across two types of wolves at this level:

First one is an enhanced version of the level 1 player - a calm player avoiding responsibility. However he tries to improve his game by pushing one or two players all game because he feels the need to attack someone to look like he's actually here to wolf hunt.
If you spot a player with a very narrow look at the game, be wary of him.


he doesnt want to listen to arguments as to why the people hes pushing could be town or why the people wagoned are better wagons, he goes on and on about jackson always and acidic

(see underlined) Also, I just want to highlight that two of those three people have died and flipped town.

Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 12:45 pm
by LOLingHyena
Oh wait, you did mention it, lol

Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 12:46 pm
by LOLingHyena
Annnd, I think there's enough substance there, so I'll help push for now.

/vote Multi

Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 12:52 pm
by MichaelgRook
LOLingHyena wrote:
MichaelgRook wrote:my lynch targets as well as venge targets are in this pool

[acidic, et, poly, uzay]

I'm going to relent and say that maybe I was too hard on you for suddenly including ET in your scumpool. With that said, I still want to hear your progression on ET.

right now et has drifted towards more of a null scum for me for not really doing anything actually worth remembering this game

Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 12:59 pm
by MichaelgRook
I do like the multi case, though I don't understand why you put in that multi townread debil and htg because thats irrelevant in this setup

I was vaguely townreading debil until he flipped

also I like hyena's newest take on me/uzay/poly

Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:00 pm
by MichaelgRook
multi case is something for me to think about, especially if Im a possible lynch

Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:03 pm
by dota2reporter
this should be the golden day

i was wrong then right then wrong, now i should be right again

Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:11 pm
by therealet1
MichaelgRook wrote:
LOLingHyena wrote:
MichaelgRook wrote:my lynch targets as well as venge targets are in this pool

[acidic, et, poly, uzay]

I'm going to relent and say that maybe I was too hard on you for suddenly including ET in your scumpool. With that said, I still want to hear your progression on ET.

right now et has drifted towards more of a null scum for me for not really doing anything actually worth remembering this game

literally fuck you
what have you dont worth remembering this game, the only reason i remember you is for being a main wagon and having me in your scumpool

ive done far more shit than you

Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:41 pm
by SparkingJay
/vote Multi
I don't have much objection to this. Multi answer Dota's case and we can go from there.

Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:42 pm
by SparkingJay
therealet1 wrote:
MichaelgRook wrote:
LOLingHyena wrote:
MichaelgRook wrote:my lynch targets as well as venge targets are in this pool

[acidic, et, poly, uzay]

I'm going to relent and say that maybe I was too hard on you for suddenly including ET in your scumpool. With that said, I still want to hear your progression on ET.

right now et has drifted towards more of a null scum for me for not really doing anything actually worth remembering this game

literally fuck you
what have you dont worth remembering this game, the only reason i remember you is for being a main wagon and having me in your scumpool

ive done far more shit than you

You need to calm down

Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:43 pm
by SparkingJay
dota2reporter wrote:this should be the golden day

i was wrong then right then wrong, now i should be right again

On a scale of 1-10 how certain are you that Multi flips scum?

Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Icy Death: Day 5

PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:46 pm
by dota2reporter
SparkingJayYT wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:this should be the golden day

i was wrong then right then wrong, now i should be right again

On a scale of 1-10 how certain are you that Multi flips scum?

ask me at different times, i'll give a different answer

right now id say like 7 or somethin