SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia-Game Over-Christmas Saved?

[LOLingHyena]

The First problem is We Dont know How scum greenpeeks are splitted . It is possible All are on Same two person , it is possible none of them overlaps .
Second problem is If scum is smart , they wont make any specialization to their greenpeeks . I already Said How can We find The difference between town and scum , their win-conditions are different .
Third problem is even If scum make A bad , and made A plan about their peeks , it is still not much possible to find accurately , bc of We have no idea How Will scum act to their townpeaks. Even We assume some things , it is possible that scum to act others Same way , too .

Explain to me what I'm not understanding Uzay. You specifically said
and I quote:

If scum is smart , they wont make any specialization to their greenpeeks

How is this not a general statement?

It's point blank right there Uzay. Look at what I quoted. You're literally arguing that we can't make any sort of argument based on what we think someone would do with townpeeks.

[UzayAltay]

So , even though it is general , it cant be applied to general , Which make them not-So-general.

[SparkingJay]

ooo A discussion, this is rare.

[UzayAltay]

The First problem is We Dont know How scum greenpeeks are splitted . It is possible All are on Same two person , it is possible none of them overlaps .
Second problem is If scum is smart , they wont make any specialization to their greenpeeks . I already Said How can We find The difference between town and scum , their win-conditions are different .
Third problem is even If scum make A bad , and made A plan about their peeks , it is still not much possible to find accurately , bc of We have no idea How Will scum act to their townpeaks. Even We assume some things , it is possible that scum to act others Same way , too .

Explain to me what I'm not understanding Uzay. You specifically said
and I quote:

If scum is smart , they wont make any specialization to their greenpeeks

How is this not a general statement?

It's point blank right there Uzay. Look at what I quoted. You're literally arguing that we can't make any sort of argument based on what we think someone would do with townpeeks.

TBH as I remember that was about Dota saying " Every town, find Who had A townclear on You " , not your Debil argument
And at that context it was making sense

[LOLingHyena]

And You applied Same Logic to Polly , Dont act Like You Dont .

What logic? What logic am I applying to Poly? Because if I'm applying any logic to Poly, it's probably specific logic that can be applied to him and him only.

They pushed scum
As scum they would push their townpeeks
I am very well remembering hearing that from You

YES, I am townreading Poly more because they pushed scum.
YES, scum can push their townpeeks, JUST LIKE DEBIL.
Are you suggesting right now that Poly is pushing a townpeek? What are you trying to suggest here?

[UzayAltay]

And You applied Same Logic to Polly , Dont act Like You Dont .

What logic? What logic am I applying to Poly? Because if I'm applying any logic to Poly, it's probably specific logic that can be applied to him and him only.

They pushed scum
As scum they would push their townpeeks
I am very well remembering hearing that from You

YES, I am townreading Poly more because they pushed scum.
YES, scum can push their townpeeks, JUST LIKE DEBIL.
Are you suggesting right now that Poly is pushing a townpeek? What are you trying to suggest here?

Uhh How You Get that even
I am saying You townread Poly based that when they can easily not Do that , not push their townpeeks

[LOLingHyena]

The First problem is We Dont know How scum greenpeeks are splitted . It is possible All are on Same two person , it is possible none of them overlaps .
Second problem is If scum is smart , they wont make any specialization to their greenpeeks . I already Said How can We find The difference between town and scum , their win-conditions are different .
Third problem is even If scum make A bad , and made A plan about their peeks , it is still not much possible to find accurately , bc of We have no idea How Will scum act to their townpeaks. Even We assume some things , it is possible that scum to act others Same way , too .

Explain to me what I'm not understanding Uzay. You specifically said
and I quote:

If scum is smart , they wont make any specialization to their greenpeeks

How is this not a general statement?

It's point blank right there Uzay. Look at what I quoted. You're literally arguing that we can't make any sort of argument based on what we think someone would do with townpeeks.

TBH as I remember that was about Dota saying " Every town, find Who had A townclear on You " , not your Debil argument
And at that context it was making sense

It doesn't make a difference Uzay. If you understand and know what someone would do with a townpeek on you, then Dota's strategy absolutely works. In no way shape or form did Dota try to suggest specifically looking at people who have pushed at you. What he was suggesting was to look at people who you think might have a townpeek on you, whether it's based on them pushing on you OR them agreeing with you too much OR anything else that might lead you to think that specific person has a townpeek on you.

[LOLingHyena]

And You applied Same Logic to Polly , Dont act Like You Dont .

What logic? What logic am I applying to Poly? Because if I'm applying any logic to Poly, it's probably specific logic that can be applied to him and him only.

They pushed scum
As scum they would push their townpeeks
I am very well remembering hearing that from You

YES, I am townreading Poly more because they pushed scum.
YES, scum can push their townpeeks, JUST LIKE DEBIL.
Are you suggesting right now that Poly is pushing a townpeek? What are you trying to suggest here?

Uhh How You Get that even
I am saying You townread Poly based that when they can easily not Do that , not push their townpeeks

What? No. I'm reading Poly based on them helping find scum and based on the towny vibes I've been getting from them since D1.

[UzayAltay]

The First problem is We Dont know How scum greenpeeks are splitted . It is possible All are on Same two person , it is possible none of them overlaps .
Second problem is If scum is smart , they wont make any specialization to their greenpeeks . I already Said How can We find The difference between town and scum , their win-conditions are different .
Third problem is even If scum make A bad , and made A plan about their peeks , it is still not much possible to find accurately , bc of We have no idea How Will scum act to their townpeaks. Even We assume some things , it is possible that scum to act others Same way , too .

Explain to me what I'm not understanding Uzay. You specifically said
and I quote:

If scum is smart , they wont make any specialization to their greenpeeks

How is this not a general statement?

It's point blank right there Uzay. Look at what I quoted. You're literally arguing that we can't make any sort of argument based on what we think someone would do with townpeeks.

TBH as I remember that was about Dota saying " Every town, find Who had A townclear on You " , not your Debil argument
And at that context it was making sense

It doesn't make a difference Uzay. If you understand and know what someone would do with a townpeek on you, then Dota's strategy absolutely works. In no way shape or form did Dota try to suggest specifically looking at people who have pushed at you. What he was suggesting was to look at people who you think might have a townpeek on you, whether it's based on them pushing on you OR them agreeing with you too much OR anything else that might lead you to think that specific person has a townpeek on you.

So You are aggreeing every town should have looked every Player to see If they had A progression that may imply SvT, right ?
Than Why You didnt Do it ?

[UzayAltay]

And You applied Same Logic to Polly , Dont act Like You Dont .

What logic? What logic am I applying to Poly? Because if I'm applying any logic to Poly, it's probably specific logic that can be applied to him and him only.

They pushed scum
As scum they would push their townpeeks
I am very well remembering hearing that from You

YES, I am townreading Poly more because they pushed scum.
YES, scum can push their townpeeks, JUST LIKE DEBIL.
Are you suggesting right now that Poly is pushing a townpeek? What are you trying to suggest here?

Uhh How You Get that even
I am saying You townread Poly based that when they can easily not Do that , not push their townpeeks

What? No. I'm reading Poly based on them helping find scum and based on the towny vibes I've been getting from them since D1.

So gutread
Because You didnt analyze their progression on flipped Scums , that is just A bad read
I just made A post showing their progression on Debil , If I am wrong on any part You are free to point .
HTG I am saying that for A long time , wont say again .

[UzayAltay]

I don't know , but I cant really explain your bias on me, or why you TR poly
Them Scumreading HTG means nothing , should mean nothing when they cant explain "why" . He scumread HTG , TRed HTG , than SRed them again , with no progression. When I asked for the reason of sudden TR they said it was a joke . Like what ?
They made a full readlist , isnt it normal them not being correct on one or two ?
Their s-read AN flipped town , for example, did you ask for reason of that ?(You, had a bias to me , asked me even though I didnt SR AN thinking I did )
You are townreading them based Debil push , have you really looked their push on Debil ?
1)Accuse scumslip
2)Back down
3) Asking HTG about Debil wagon (wasnt them Scumreading HTG? )
4)(Post-dead) Lol Debil was ez scum
And same you , accused me for discrediting because I asked poly to show scumslip they found

That post

[UzayAltay]

Gtg in 10 min.

[SparkingJay]

And You applied Same Logic to Polly , Dont act Like You Dont .

What logic? What logic am I applying to Poly? Because if I'm applying any logic to Poly, it's probably specific logic that can be applied to him and him only.

They pushed scum
As scum they would push their townpeeks
I am very well remembering hearing that from You

YES, I am townreading Poly more because they pushed scum.
YES, scum can push their townpeeks, JUST LIKE DEBIL.
Are you suggesting right now that Poly is pushing a townpeek? What are you trying to suggest here?

Uhh How You Get that even
I am saying You townread Poly based that when they can easily not Do that , not push their townpeeks

What? No. I'm reading Poly based on them helping find scum and based on the towny vibes I've been getting from them since D1.

So gutread
Because You didnt analyze their progression on flipped Scums , that is just A bad read
I just made A post showing their progression on Debil , If I am wrong on any part You are free to point .
HTG I am saying that for A long time , wont say again .

It'd be nice if you made a read on Poly outside of this HTG flipflopping case.

[LOLingHyena]

Gtg in 10 min.

I'm responding right now, but I'm also quoting posts in Poly's ISO, so it will take a couple minutes for me to finish.

[UzayAltay]

And You applied Same Logic to Polly , Dont act Like You Dont .

What logic? What logic am I applying to Poly? Because if I'm applying any logic to Poly, it's probably specific logic that can be applied to him and him only.

They pushed scum
As scum they would push their townpeeks
I am very well remembering hearing that from You

YES, I am townreading Poly more because they pushed scum.
YES, scum can push their townpeeks, JUST LIKE DEBIL.
Are you suggesting right now that Poly is pushing a townpeek? What are you trying to suggest here?

Uhh How You Get that even
I am saying You townread Poly based that when they can easily not Do that , not push their townpeeks

What? No. I'm reading Poly based on them helping find scum and based on the towny vibes I've been getting from them since D1.

So gutread
Because You didnt analyze their progression on flipped Scums , that is just A bad read
I just made A post showing their progression on Debil , If I am wrong on any part You are free to point .
HTG I am saying that for A long time , wont say again .

It'd be nice if you made a read on Poly outside of this HTG flipflopping case.

I'd search for More things If people read my case , disaggreed and give feedback about that .
I think , only Wabbit gave feedback to me ( it was before case , but Dont matter ) and they agreed even though they later changed their opinion Because HTG flip .

[UzayAltay]

Actually they may not fully agree Because they pushed Another point at Same topic but whatever

[LOLingHyena]

i literally know dota is confirmed town
i dont care for questioning anyone

If Dota hadn't started posting more towny things, what would you have done to prevent his lynch assuming you actually knew for a fact that Dota is town. The way you were talking about him came off like you didn't really care what other people thought about him, which leads me to believe that you didn't really care whether he was lynched or not by the people who were scumreading him.

to be brutally honest id let yall lynch dota at some point just so i could rant to everyone after the lynch

Ah I knew I actually had a reason for debil scumslipping.

I still can't even find the original post but yeah in BOLD.

and basically the follow up after this post was also obv scum

This reminded me, Acidic was a townread of Debil which Debil didn't want to furtherly explain maybe they were his townpeek and didn't want to overly make them townread.
However, guessing townpeeks is unreliable so eh. Just a possibility.

well yes if anyone wants to iso dive they can probably easily find the otehr townpeek.

Alright, here's the scumslip Uzay is talking about that Poly had found. Uzay, is this correct?

[SparkingJay]

Where is the scumslip there?

[LOLingHyena]

Where is the scumslip there?

Poly thought that Debil saying that they "literally know Dota is town" was a scumslip.

[LOLingHyena]

Where is the scumslip there?

Poly thought that Debil saying that they "literally know Dota is town" was a scumslip.

His assumption was the Dota was Debil's townpeek.

[SparkingJay]

And You applied Same Logic to Polly , Dont act Like You Dont .

What logic? What logic am I applying to Poly? Because if I'm applying any logic to Poly, it's probably specific logic that can be applied to him and him only.

They pushed scum
As scum they would push their townpeeks
I am very well remembering hearing that from You

YES, I am townreading Poly more because they pushed scum.
YES, scum can push their townpeeks, JUST LIKE DEBIL.
Are you suggesting right now that Poly is pushing a townpeek? What are you trying to suggest here?

Uhh How You Get that even
I am saying You townread Poly based that when they can easily not Do that , not push their townpeeks

What? No. I'm reading Poly based on them helping find scum and based on the towny vibes I've been getting from them since D1.

So gutread
Because You didnt analyze their progression on flipped Scums , that is just A bad read
I just made A post showing their progression on Debil , If I am wrong on any part You are free to point .
HTG I am saying that for A long time , wont say again .

It'd be nice if you made a read on Poly outside of this HTG flipflopping case.

I'd search for More things If people read my case , disaggreed and give feedback about that .
I think , only Wabbit gave feedback to me ( it was before case , but Dont matter ) and they agreed even though they later changed their opinion Because HTG flip .

Well the amount of resistance right now against a Poly lynch should be indicative of how much we disagree with the case

[UzayAltay]

Where is the scumslip there?

Poly thought that Debil saying that they "literally know Dota is town" was a scumslip.

His assumption was the Dota was Debil's townpeek.

And ?

[SparkingJay]

Where is the scumslip there?

Poly thought that Debil saying that they "literally know Dota is town" was a scumslip.

His assumption was the Dota was Debil's townpeek.

Not a scumslip tho they are just trying to find Debil's townpeeks.

[LOLingHyena]

Where is the scumslip there?

Poly thought that Debil saying that they "literally know Dota is town" was a scumslip.

His assumption was the Dota was Debil's townpeek.

And ?

There's nothing wrong with that assumption.
Yes, I disagreed with it. I -did- think you and Multi were more likely to be Debil's townpeeks.

[UzayAltay]

I know what Poly Said ( they Said Dota and Hyena was Debil's townpeeks in case Debil flip scum )
That Dont explain their only push being A slip push they backed down , Asking HTG about A Debil wagon , and after their Dead calling Debil ez scum , taking cred.