SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia-Game Over-Christmas Saved?

[TheWabbit]

Poly pushing both wolves early is epic lol

It's almost like that matters
Hint: it doesnt since scum doesnt know each other

What matters in your eyes for this setup? What's going to be town/scum indicative to you?

This is paranoia
There's no "most likely plans" since this is the second game to be hosted. The strategy proposed is as valid and just as likely as any others.

How are you playing the game right now then? Like, all this talk about "no most likely plans" and "it doesn't matter" feels like a way to dismiss people's reads, and at the same time, you're not really providing any alternative strategy to use.

multi sounds like

"fuck this, fuck that
we're all gonna die"

[polypies73]

you're argument has got so bad I don't knwo what you are saying anymore i'm sorry.

At VFM 62 I keep tunneling alet Because I was planning to CC them . Dont act Like You are not understanding , You were my buddy and should know that very well .

yes.
but you still could of tunneled them while also still contributing about the rest of teh game. if anything that's what gave you away as scum

I hope you know The difference between Tunnel and push .

nah i'm new to the game why does my rc have so much red in it

[TheWabbit]

My vote is staying on poly. I may be able to be here at EOD , but no guarantee .
TBH I would want to hear some More defense from HTG , but it seems they're AFK So .

So, we almost lynched Jackson at EoD yesterday. The main reason we were unsuccessful was because we didn't have the numbers, even with Google's corpse on the wagon, when we tried to CFD there. You have been scumreading Jackson pretty much the entire game, and if your vote had been on Jackson rather than Poly, the lynch on Jackson might've gone through instead of on HTG. What do you think of the wagons on Jackson and Michael at EoD yesterday? Do you think we were wagoning scum (Jackson and Michael) before we moved back to HTG?

TBH I was suprised Jackson got most votes when I am away .
Actually , as I remember All wagons happened Because HTG self-pres , and 2-3 other people jumping on These . I Dont Actually have A clear opinion on Michael . Jackson , I would support but If I was here , I would vote HTG over Jackson Because HTG never answered my question, and their EOD . I would probably prefer Poly over Jackson , too , Because Jackson's Day 3 wasnt bad ( I think somebody else mentioned that , too ) .
I Dont think We can gain anything from analyzing wagons in terms of wagon's alignment , my opinion on that two people didnt change much, too .

I agree that Jackson's D3 was better. In fact, I really liked their EoD. People are suggesting that they tried to start a wagon on me at the very last second, but I got the vibe that they were simply trying to force a no lynch while simultaneously showing her disdain for me with a vote. I don't blame them, nor do I blame Acidic for being indecisive on HTG because even I wasn't fully sure she was going to flip scum (I even say that I'll take the venge shot in my last post while I'm begging for someone to hammer HTG).

just

no.

eliciting a nolynch with 3 town + 1 wolf dead is NEVER the play
i don't give a fuck if you condone their D3 behavior for "standing out"

you're being too lax this game

[TheWabbit]

Poly pushing both wolves early is epic lol

It's almost like that matters
Hint: it doesnt since scum doesnt know each other

What matters in your eyes for this setup? What's going to be town/scum indicative to you?

This is paranoia
There's no "most likely plans" since this is the second game to be hosted. The strategy proposed is as valid and just as likely as any others.

How are you playing the game right now then? Like, all this talk about "no most likely plans" and "it doesn't matter" feels like a way to dismiss people's reads, and at the same time, you're not really providing any alternative strategy to use.

I Also want to answer second one .
First , full Quote is needed Because without context it seems bad , but in context it make sense Because "plan" is not as general as it seems .
Spoiler:

jackson just because only one scum needs to live, doesn't mean scum want to actively lower the amount of scum in teh game.

It's clearly easier to win if there are a higher amount of scum left closer to the end of the game, as even if all scum are obvious town probably won't even have enough tiem to lynch them.

Seriously what is up with this argument that "only one scum needs to live", this does not actually explain how this is beneficial to scum over the alternative

Completely ignoring that play just because it's beneficial to keep more scum alive is stupid, it's also beneficial to be town-read and live when the game ends.
You have absolutely no clue what the scum are planning and completely denying one possible plan is stupid

I didn't deny it.
I said it was bad.

You should be looking at the most likely plans obv.

This is paranoia
There's no "most likely plans" since this is the second game to be hosted. The strategy proposed is as valid and just as likely as any others.

sigh.

no comment

Bad response

This is an attempt to discredit me by implying with "sigh" that my response was stupid and the reason why that is is obvious when infact it isn't and you're just dodging responding by doing that.

So , According to Poly , scum pushing possible scum is suboptimal , bad , and less likely . I think they are Obviously Trying to make A way to "clear themselves " , Because that argument come only after Spark pointed that ( Why they didnt make that argument after Debil's Dead ? ) .
Anyway , are You aggreeing with poly's opinion ? If not , I see no problem on Multi's statement , except Maybe it being A bit too bold . If not , I think I can explain Multi's PoV .
Especially when Last paranoia Game I bussed Multi with SRing them correctly .

I am agreeing with Poly's opinion, yes. I fully understand that scum are capable of trying to clear themselves and make it to the end. What I'm saying is that there's a limited number of people who can do that at this point. Yes, Poly is one of them, and so am I, but who else? Who else has that kind of town credibility right now to slip by and NOT got lynched later on? Like, are you thinking Dota could be scum and be doing this right now? I'd hard disagree with you since he's clearly in his town!meta, but like, we're supposed to be clamping down on a PoE, not opening more and more possibilities for people to be scum.

Anyway, I can't speak for everyone, but right now, you still sit above Poly in my reads if only because I still think you and Multi are his townclears. Like, is that your concern? Are you concerned that you'll get lynched over Poly at some point in spite of you thinking he's scum?

Rather Than at some point , I am thinking they are scum . They had A chance , though , If they can explain their progression on HTG I Will Reread them with their ISO .I Dont see that likely happening Given How they tried to discredit Wabbit's case on them, but If they can I am Okay with reconsidering them .
And , I think You are underestimating The possibility of scum pushing scum . If scum aims to endgame self , I cant see Why not .

poly now has less scum equity because htg flipped wolf
htg was quite a determinant on my poly case D3 since poly flip-flopped on htg

[TheWabbit]

poly having the gall to ask if im even in this game even though i have more posts than him :>

lol idk how i forgot you were in the game, you aren't even inactive tbh.

if your posts are condensed within a single point of any day
you're inherently subject to low thread presence

unless you screech and do whatever flashy shit

[TheWabbit]

I reread the wabbit case and yes, all of it is on my "progression" on htg.

except for this:

added bonus (but kinda reachy):

polypies73 wrote:

UzayAltay wrote:
Explain Why Jackson is A bad wagon .
Seriously , If You cant explain , I Will Tunnel You for not answering any of my arguments about Jackson when thinking Jackson is A bad wagon without explaining Why .
You have 24 hours .

ok waste your time tunneling me rather than playing the game.

Jackson is bad wagon because it's easier to scumread them later, plus they're asily a better vengeful kill than lynch kill as they'll probably herovenge

this sounds like wolf mentality
stray venges aren't that much of a hindrance in the current threadstate
this sounds like cautious wolf trying to do damage control

Which we both know is super reachy, especially since i'm clearly half joking in the post.

why do you think it had that "reachy" disclaimer

[TheWabbit]

I'm tired of townpeek analysis becoming such a heavy focuses, especailly over actual reads. Tell me, what is your actually read on peopel like multi/uzay/always ?
Cause I feel like people's judgment is being clouded cause they stopped doing actaul reads

mood

[TheWabbit]

multi's ISO is bleh
idk how to read it
send help

I'm taking everything on face value right now, unless some shit appeared that makes me dive into someone's ISO
like uzay and you D3

[TheWabbit]

acidic why shouldn't we lynch you

because im town.
all honestly yesterdays play was not the best choice in hindsight but it was either me with believing htg was town having them lynched or a nolynch.

i'm town too

now i'll never be lynched

nyahahahahahaha

[TheWabbit]

/vote Wabbit

hot

[TheWabbit]

i'm tired of sorting poly/uzay with how p155 is going on

[polypies73]

acidic why shouldn't we lynch you

because im town.
all honestly yesterdays play was not the best choice in hindsight but it was either me with believing htg was town having them lynched or a nolynch.

i'm town too

now i'll never be lynched

nyahahahahahaha

sometimes my genius is... it's almost frightening

[polypies73]

i'm tired of sorting poly/uzay with how p155 is going on

yes

[polypies73]

wabbit why are you not solving i'm dissapointed

[TheWabbit]

wabbit why are you not solving i'm dissapointed

i already solved the game

-> uninstall brain

[Rickdaily12]

(kosmo16 has replaced Google.)

[polypies73]

hey kosmo you're at L-2 what do you have to say

[Rickdaily12]

Lynch votes

Current Vote Count

Player	Votes	Voters
	#	Votes Until Majority

Paranoia Votes

Current Vote Count

Player	Votes	Voters
	#	Votes Until Majority

(About 41 Hours Remain.)

[TheWabbit]

i'm tired 24/7

Chemist1422 - poe
therealet1 - probs v
JacksonVirgo - poe
SparkingJayYT - v
UzayAltay - probs v but could go down poe anytime
LOLingHyena - v
Multiuniverse - probs v but could go down poe anytime
AcidicBreeze - poe
polypies73 - probs v but could go down poe anytime
AlwaysNever* - poe
Google - poe
MichaelgRook - undetermined, poe for now
dota2reporter - v

{dota2reporter, LOLingHyena}
{SparkingJayYT, therealet1}
{UzayAltay, Multiuniverse, polypies73}
{Chemist1422, MichaelgRook, AlwaysNever}
{Google (kosmo), AcidicBreeze, JacksonVirgo}

w!Google -> v!et
dota's the only one fixated on top town
i'd eliminate bottom tier first, middle tier is subject to change

[TheWabbit]

hey kosmo you're at L-2 what do you have to say

your reaction test just got rekt by rick

[TheWabbit]

im tired 24/7

[polypies73]

hey kosmo you're at L-2 what do you have to say

your reaction test just got rekt by rick

yeah lmao

[Rickdaily12]

(Chemist1422 has been prodded.

*sob*)

[polypies73]

im tired 24/7

f

[Chemist1422]

oh good morning