SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia-Game Over-Christmas Saved?

[Multiuniverse]

You see, the beauty of that strategy is that it's a gamble that they would have to take sooner or later because
1) maybe their townpeek is someone widely townread
2) maybe they suggested a wagon on their townpeek but others disagree
3) maybe their townpeek is already dead

So therefore they is probably a handful of scums who would be forced to play blind and thus have to adapt the strategy of getting townread and become a deepwolf to survive and win the game for wolf

Furthermore, as i have said, it's a gamble. For the scums on htg's wagon, they don't know what htg will flip. Maybe they even thought they were town, who knows. They just have to push scummy people to avoid putting themself in the poe. After all, the death of a possible scum is surely better than risking putting themself under the executioner's axe.

See all you're saying here is that scum has to make plays to play the game. What I think is better discussing is what are the most likely plays.

If we don't give any thought to this, and just ignore what scum are doing, then we are just putting ourselves in a more losing position.

What
My arguments literally summarised why its more likely scum would go for towncred than not

[polypies73]

I reread the wabbit case and yes, all of it is on my "progression" on htg.

except for this:

added bonus (but kinda reachy):

polypies73 wrote:

UzayAltay wrote:
Explain Why Jackson is A bad wagon .
Seriously , If You cant explain , I Will Tunnel You for not answering any of my arguments about Jackson when thinking Jackson is A bad wagon without explaining Why .
You have 24 hours .

ok waste your time tunneling me rather than playing the game.

Jackson is bad wagon because it's easier to scumread them later, plus they're asily a better vengeful kill than lynch kill as they'll probably herovenge

this sounds like wolf mentality
stray venges aren't that much of a hindrance in the current threadstate
this sounds like cautious wolf trying to do damage control

Which we both know is super reachy, especially since i'm clearly half joking in the post.

[polypies73]

Poly pushing both wolves early is epic lol

It's almost like that matters
Hint: it doesnt since scum doesnt know each other

What matters in your eyes for this setup? What's going to be town/scum indicative to you?

This is paranoia
There's no "most likely plans" since this is the second game to be hosted. The strategy proposed is as valid and just as likely as any others.

How are you playing the game right now then? Like, all this talk about "no most likely plans" and "it doesn't matter" feels like a way to dismiss people's reads, and at the same time, you're not really providing any alternative strategy to use.

Dayplay
Reads imo is not alignment indicative

So im just doing my usual things and pointing out things i hate and things i like until people realise that acidic have to die sooner or later since they're utr and have high scum equity

bruh look at bolded. this si just plain wrong. We've found two scum primarily based off their reads (Both Debil and HTG with terrible pushes on HTG, among other things). You're basically admitting that you just want to randomly point out good and bad things, which doesn't contribute much.

No, the case on debil was mainly due to his posts (dota claim he slipped or smth) and im not really sure what the case pn htg was but debil having terrible push on htg would not be AI since scum dont know each other

both of those things are related to their reads.
And you've got half the info wrong.
And hold tf up you were antagonizing me over saying debil scumslipped without reasoning and so I was stil lscum or something, and now you just suddenly forget I was the one who pointed out debil scumslipped and say dota was the one who did.

wtf.

How can tunneling someone not be AI in any way.
can i get a bruh moment

[polypies73]

You see, the beauty of that strategy is that it's a gamble that they would have to take sooner or later because
1) maybe their townpeek is someone widely townread
2) maybe they suggested a wagon on their townpeek but others disagree
3) maybe their townpeek is already dead

So therefore they is probably a handful of scums who would be forced to play blind and thus have to adapt the strategy of getting townread and become a deepwolf to survive and win the game for wolf

Furthermore, as i have said, it's a gamble. For the scums on htg's wagon, they don't know what htg will flip. Maybe they even thought they were town, who knows. They just have to push scummy people to avoid putting themself in the poe. After all, the death of a possible scum is surely better than risking putting themself under the executioner's axe.

See all you're saying here is that scum has to make plays to play the game. What I think is better discussing is what are the most likely plays.

If we don't give any thought to this, and just ignore what scum are doing, then we are just putting ourselves in a more losing position.

What
My arguments literally summarised why its more likely scum would go for towncred than not

ok w/e.
even though that's not what the first 2 scum did.
let's just stop

[LOLingHyena]

I'm tired of townpeek analysis becoming such a heavy focuses, especailly over actual reads. Tell me, what is your actually read on peopel like multi/uzay/always ?
Cause I feel like people's judgment is being clouded cause they stopped doing actaul reads

I'm not going to lie. If I didn't think Multi and Uzay were Debil's townpeeks, I probably wouldn't have had that discussion with them. I probably would've just voted on of them and started pushing. If I ignore that they could be Debil's townpeeks, I'd probably have them solidly below the null line. AlwaysNever would be higher. You would be near the top.

[LOLingHyena]

Like, I'm almost tempted to try to find two other people that I can replace Multi and Uzay in the towncore that I proposed.

[LOLingHyena]

Also, if you want to see why I started pushing Debil D2, start at this post in my ISO and read on. I don't recall many people, aside from Poly, helping me push Debil.

In other news we're lynching Dota now
/vote dota

sury worked last time lul

well dota did say hes bored of mafia

and you guys should realise by now standart scumreading doesnt apply here
dota feels like LAMIST im here but i dont want to play vibe

if he flipped scum i dont see him do this sort of.play, i think he would do something to use the fact that hes finally a scum

Are you trying to defend Dota here? Like, it's all good trying to make excuses for why he might be not playing so towny this game, but I don't see how this helps him at all. Like, compare what you're doing to what AlwaysThere is doing here:

what was the reason? im only skimming the thread cuz i aint got no wim to read it fully

pg 43
/vote Dota
This is not town dota at all, and even then it isnt that hard to check an iso for 2min.

some people doesn't even have time to do that
how can you tell this isn't town dota? a previous game with them?

Here, AlwaysNever is -actively- defending Dota against Overkill, and, like, questioning Overkill about his read on Dota, whereas you are just making commentary on why Dota could be town.

[polypies73]

updated:

[hyena, dota]
[sparking, chemist]
[realet, always, google, micheal, jackson]
[uzay, wabbit, multi, acidic]

Jackson needs to be checked with his recent TWTBAW nonsense. Multi can also be moved up, also need to read ISO.
Realet is probably being moved up after I read their ISO, I think I remember giving them towncred before idk

[LOLingHyena]

and i have 3 scumreads

Because This 3 players are More "outlandish" , right ?

each their own way yes
but i can tell all 3 arent fully genuine

Right -- aren't fully genuine. With that, you've exceeded past "just having bad reads"-kinda scummy right into full scum territory.

/vote Debil

I'm done with you.

Oh, right. I forgot about this post.

This is the exact point for me where he went from "maybe" scum to "definitely" scum.

[polypies73]

no
no ones alignment is ever dependant on the other in this game specifically

False
Since scums have townpeeks

It just means that SvS arent a thing
TvS with T as S' townpeek is still possible though

Interesting how before you say S v S isn't a thing but know you say S v S is actually reasonably likely.

[LOLingHyena]

As for the case on HTG, this was the main parts of it:

/vote htg

EVERYONE THIS IS A GOOD WAGON

htg:
- did NOTHING to solve the watchme/jackson problem day 1 (like, actually 0 posts)
- is only TUNNELING players (which is a legit scum strategy)
- does NOT develop on her ideas and pretty much forgets the reads shes done in the past (meaning she did them not for the sake of, you know, using them)
- finds a way to jump on EVERY top wagon despite not scumreading the person on the wagon initially (watchme 0ver uzay)

I brought up evidence for the third point, and she didn't really argue against it very well.

So, actually, from my perspective, both lynches were a result of bad pushes and them not defending their townreads very well, not really their posts in general.

[LOLingHyena]

As for the case on HTG, this was the main parts of it:

/vote htg

EVERYONE THIS IS A GOOD WAGON

htg:
- did NOTHING to solve the watchme/jackson problem day 1 (like, actually 0 posts)
- is only TUNNELING players (which is a legit scum strategy)
- does NOT develop on her ideas and pretty much forgets the reads shes done in the past (meaning she did them not for the sake of, you know, using them)
- finds a way to jump on EVERY top wagon despite not scumreading the person on the wagon initially (watchme 0ver uzay)

I brought up evidence for the third point, and she didn't really argue against it very well.

So, actually, from my perspective, both lynches were a result of bad pushes and them not defending their townreads very well, not really their posts in general.

And Debil wasn't even lynched. He was shot by Overkill, who I assumed listen to one of me or Polypies.

[polypies73]

multi's ISO is bleh
idk how to read it
send help

[Multiuniverse]

Poly pushing both wolves early is epic lol

It's almost like that matters
Hint: it doesnt since scum doesnt know each other

What matters in your eyes for this setup? What's going to be town/scum indicative to you?

This is paranoia
There's no "most likely plans" since this is the second game to be hosted. The strategy proposed is as valid and just as likely as any others.

How are you playing the game right now then? Like, all this talk about "no most likely plans" and "it doesn't matter" feels like a way to dismiss people's reads, and at the same time, you're not really providing any alternative strategy to use.

Dayplay
Reads imo is not alignment indicative

So im just doing my usual things and pointing out things i hate and things i like until people realise that acidic have to die sooner or later since they're utr and have high scum equity

bruh look at bolded. this si just plain wrong. We've found two scum primarily based off their reads (Both Debil and HTG with terrible pushes on HTG, among other things). You're basically admitting that you just want to randomly point out good and bad things, which doesn't contribute much.

No, the case on debil was mainly due to his posts (dota claim he slipped or smth) and im not really sure what the case pn htg was but debil having terrible push on htg would not be AI since scum dont know each other

both of those things are related to their reads.
And you've got half the info wrong.
And hold tf up you were antagonizing me over saying debil scumslipped without reasoning and so I was stil lscum or something, and now you just suddenly forget I was the one who pointed out debil scumslipped and say dota was the one who did.

wtf.

How can tunneling someone not be AI in any way.
can i get a bruh moment

Related but it isnt their read itself
Ok i misremembered what happened exactly but its close enough

[Multiuniverse]

no
no ones alignment is ever dependant on the other in this game specifically

False
Since scums have townpeeks

It just means that SvS arent a thing
TvS with T as S' townpeek is still possible though

Interesting how before you say S v S isn't a thing but know you say S v S is actually reasonably likely.

Stop being intentionally obtuse
You know full well that here i meant SvS as in scum reacting in unnatural ways to others due to knowing they're scum while the "SvS" i mentioned earlier was from scums lynching people to survive

[Multiuniverse]

As for the case on HTG, this was the main parts of it:

/vote htg

EVERYONE THIS IS A GOOD WAGON

htg:
- did NOTHING to solve the watchme/jackson problem day 1 (like, actually 0 posts)
- is only TUNNELING players (which is a legit scum strategy)
- does NOT develop on her ideas and pretty much forgets the reads shes done in the past (meaning she did them not for the sake of, you know, using them)
- finds a way to jump on EVERY top wagon despite not scumreading the person on the wagon initially (watchme 0ver uzay)

I brought up evidence for the third point, and she didn't really argue against it very well.

So, actually, from my perspective, both lynches were a result of bad pushes and them not defending their townreads very well, not really their posts in general.

Here it's the lack of read that cause htg to be scumread

[Multiuniverse]

Ok im starting to rmb now

It was the thing with debil's tone of actively VS nonactively defending people

Which again isnt actually his townread/scumread in itself that caused him to be scumread

[polypies73]

ok sure.
let's leave it at that.

[polypies73]

what's everyone lynch pool?

[AcidicBreeze]

what's everyone lynch pool?

im unsure after the flips on htg atm.

[polypies73]

acidic why shouldn't we lynch you

[AcidicBreeze]

acidic why shouldn't we lynch you

because im town.
all honestly yesterdays play was not the best choice in hindsight but it was either me with believing htg was town having them lynched or a nolynch.

[MichaelgRook]

my pool is <acidic, jackson, poly, uzay, google, et>

I can be persuaded against poly and maybe uzay

[dota2reporter]

why are people pushing acidic/always and not responding to my cases on them :/

[MichaelgRook]

this is the case on the derpclear mixed with them not pushing anybody correct?