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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - The Melted: Day 4

Postby polypies73 » Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:09 am

dota2reporter wrote:that helped me find something SUPER interesting though

did you see how htg really really focused on scumreads instead of townreads?

im gonna check out ppl for the same thing

but first i gotta go to a shop for 20 min


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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - The Melted: Day 4

Postby UzayAltay » Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:12 am

polypies73 wrote:""I've literally already explained that my scumread on htg was super weak and bad on my original post, but then after reading their ISO I actually had a reason for scumreading them.""

my progression on htg was bad, yes, i made a mistake.
how
many
times
do
i
have
to
say
this

Ehem ehem You TRed in between
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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - The Melted: Day 4

Postby UzayAltay » Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:16 am

UzayAltay wrote:
polypies73 wrote:""I've literally already explained that my scumread on htg was super weak and bad on my original post, but then after reading their ISO I actually had a reason for scumreading them.""

my progression on htg was bad, yes, i made a mistake.
how
many
times
do
i
have
to
say
this

Ehem ehem You TRed in between

Do You have an explanation for that TR in-between ?
46-46 Spoiler: Town Games(27-32)

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Scum Games (19-14)

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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - The Melted: Day 4

Postby TheWabbit » Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:33 am

dota is more or less cleared by either debil/htg

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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - The Melted: Day 4

Postby TheWabbit » Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:34 am

i'm thirsty for townclears we can get from wolf flips
don't burst my bubble this time
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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - The Rise of Krampus:D

Postby TheWabbit » Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:35 am

heytheregirl17 wrote:
TheWabbit wrote:we can stick to giving 3 names (aside from yourself, dimwit) of who you think is town

catch is that you are not to explain any of the three

i shouldn't explain why and neither of you should question why else mafia may catch up with my plan

I'll start:
- Tiltedcomedian
- heytheregirl17
- JacksonVirgo

YEAH WHY DON'T WE GIVE SCUM ROOM TO HYPOCLAIM?

this fucking sucks
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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - The Melted: Day 4

Postby TheWabbit » Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:36 am

with htg's alignment a plausible indicator for poly's alignment

i'll be full condescending and say poly's scum equity just shrunk
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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Ghostly Passing: Day

Postby TheWabbit » Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:37 am

dota2reporter wrote:ive been waiting so long to say this in the thread

Spoiler: YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

we're doing great so far
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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - The Melted: Day 4

Postby TheWabbit » Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:37 am

@dota

with htg flipping wolf, do you think my case on poly still stands?
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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - The Melted: Day 4

Postby TheWabbit » Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:38 am

polypies73 wrote:Holy fuck that was probably the stupidest EoD ever.

Everyone who wanted a nolynch should either die or feel bad.

HTG WAS EFFING OPENWOLFING

God i want to read almost everyone who was online at EoD as scum.

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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - The Melted: Day 4

Postby TheWabbit » Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:39 am

dota2reporter wrote:imagine trying to lynch

HYENA

at EoD

for leading the town???

like im not trying to be selfish but hyena isnt even leading town, last 2 lynches were made by me, hyena is just the most productive player

do you think it's possible that they're being frustrated?
i haven't paid that much attention to them past D2 and i don't regret doing so
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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - The Melted: Day 4

Postby TheWabbit » Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:40 am

LOLingHyena wrote:Dude, though, I was fucking scared that I was going to get venged if HTG somehow flipped town. I do NOT want to go out that way. Like, if you guys want me dead at some point, please give me a venge shot. I want that choice.

generally speaking more productive players are better lynched than vengekilled
them flipping v likely gives us a good vengekill
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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Ghostly Passing: Day

Postby TheWabbit » Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:40 am

JacksonVirgo wrote:
Eragon1329 wrote:
Heytheregirl17 has been lynched


Their role was


Spoiler:

"Whew! Stay in here much longer and I'll really make a splash on the world"



You are Frosty the Snowman, the carefree snowman.

You are a jolly snowman who was brought into existence by the powers of an evil magician and a magic hat. Through many Christmas adventures, you escaped his clutches and became an optimistic figure who was admired and respected by many kids. However, you grew tired of being the "Perfect rolemodel" and "The embodiment of Christmas" for all these troublesome kids, and you have embraced the very magic that you had originally escaped from. Krampus has seen your intentions, and is cultivating the seed of rebellion into your mind and making it bloom into full hatred of the Christmas spirit. You will do anything to prevent yourself from falling into the clutches of the "positive" Christmas spirit once again. You will use your innocent charm as a talking snowman to beguile and fool the public about your true intentions.

You are an Evil Christmas Spirit, a member of the Naughty Faction.

You think that there are others that share your view on Christmas, but you cannot be sure.

Each Day Phase, you may place a vote on a player in order to lynch that player. Alternatively, you may instead vote to end the game in order to fool the rest of the Nice Faction that all Naughty Faction members in the game have been killed.

If you are ever killed, Santa Claus will reveal your evil intentions and your evil soul will be purged, causing you to go straight to the realm of death, where you must reflect on your actions.

You will win with the Naughty Faction only if a member of the Naughty Faction has survived to see the Nice Faction lose the game.
You will lose if all of the Naughty Faction are killed before this happens.


I feel pocketed, I feel dead inside....
ama

are you frozen wolf
or unmotivated villa
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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - The Melted: Day 4

Postby TheWabbit » Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:41 am

polypies73 wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:Chemist1422 - T
therealet1
JacksonVirgo
SparkingJayYT
UzayAltay - T
LOLingHyena - T
TheWabbit - T
Multiuniverse - T? debatable
AcidicBreeze
polypies73
AlwaysNever
Google
MichaelgRook
dota2reporter - T


Uzay, Wabbit and multi all as townreads hurts my brain.
especailly since uzay's D3 matches HTG's tunneling pretty well

their push on you makes sense with how you progressed your reads D3
if anything the only beef with uzay is them trying to look obnoxious
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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - The Melted: Day 4

Postby TheWabbit » Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:42 am

polypies73 wrote:Seems like the micheal CFD came just after the jackson one somehow, with HTG, Hyena, Dota and Acidic jumping on that one.

Pretty comfortable calling Acidic scum here.
Micheal also gets free townpeek cred for his EoD.

I'll need to check what hyena was doing, not so comfortable calling them scum here due to their overall play but the wagonomics look pretty bad.

[multi, jackson, always] scumlean
[uzay, acidic, wabbit] scum

google slot is idk.
There's also someone else probably FUTR.

wagonomics isn't against hyena atm
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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - The Melted: Day 4

Postby TheWabbit » Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:42 am

polypies73 wrote:
AcidicBreeze wrote:
polypies73 wrote:Seems like the micheal CFD came just after the jackson one somehow, with HTG, Hyena, Dota and Acidic jumping on that one.

Pretty comfortable calling Acidic scum here.
Micheal also gets free townpeek cred for his EoD.

I'll need to check what hyena was doing, not so comfortable calling them scum here due to their overall play but the wagonomics look pretty bad.

[multi, jackson, always] scumlean
[uzay, acidic, wabbit] scum

google slot is idk.
There's also someone else probably FUTR.

Btw why is wabbit scum here


They've dropped off from the game.
The 180 on uzay seemed weird af.

can confirm
i'm a dropout for sfm 67
and the only thing preventing me from fully detaching is the lack of possible replacement
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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - The Melted: Day 4

Postby TheWabbit » Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:44 am

idk about your bias

but uzay's case makes sense on you preflip-htg

htg being impossible to be a townpeek of v!poly made your flip flop slightly more excusable
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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - The Melted: Day 4

Postby TheWabbit » Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:44 am

polypies73 wrote:jackson just because only one scum needs to live, doesn't mean scum want to actively lower the amount of scum in teh game.

It's clearly easier to win if there are a higher amount of scum left closer to the end of the game, as even if all scum are obvious town probably won't even have enough tiem to lynch them.

Seriously what is up with this argument that "only one scum needs to live", this does not actually explain how this is beneficial to scum over the alternative

yes

but you can't expect all scum to play perfectly
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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - The Melted: Day 4

Postby TheWabbit » Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:45 am

UzayAltay wrote:
polypies73 wrote:Seems like the micheal CFD came just after the jackson one somehow, with HTG, Hyena, Dota and Acidic jumping on that one.

Pretty comfortable calling Acidic scum here.
Micheal also gets free townpeek cred for his EoD.

I'll need to check what hyena was doing, not so comfortable calling them scum here due to their overall play but the wagonomics look pretty bad.

[multi, jackson, always] scumlean
[uzay, acidic, wabbit] scum

google slot is idk.
There's also someone else probably FUTR.

You are definitely pushing Acidic for wrong reason .
Can You push them ? Yes , but that shouldn't be main area , that can be at most Side-push area .

acidic's more or less dead but flipless
i'm still slightly antagonizing them for their awkward D2 play
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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - The Melted: Day 4

Postby TheWabbit » Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:46 am

polypies73 wrote:Seriously can anyone give a case on me that isn't about "dodging htg read" because I'll gladly answer it so I can stop repeating myself on such a weak point.

mine's different

have you even read it

i think only dota did
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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - Ghostly Passing: Day

Postby TheWabbit » Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:46 am

polypies73 wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:
TheWabbit wrote:okay

this basically revolved around uzay's read that poly's scumread on htg is unjustified and it's probs messy so exonerate me

Spoiler:
polypies73 wrote:it's d3 start putting people in scum or townreads

poly's list enlists jackson as undetermined, with progression stating heytheregirl17 and multi are undetermined but were pushed down
polypies73 wrote:yes i was worried i couldn't count

also actually multi can probably also be placed in teh idfk category

polypies73 wrote:
heytheregirl17 wrote:Why am I scum, that came from nowhere


because I'd already filled everyone else and I needed oen more.

they switched to this:
polypies73 wrote:
polypies73 wrote:I just realised almost all my scumreads are probably wrong

this si why you actually pay attention to the game


like htg and alwaysnever are town

and jackson is scum

i'm not placing their interactions with jackson in detail ((but it's more of poly getting frustrated at jackson aiming for twtbaw))
polypies73 wrote:Chemist - townlean
HTG - scumlean
jackson - town
sparking - town
uzay - scum
hyena - town
wabbit - scumlean (although holy f reading wabbit is hard)
multi - scumlean

after being pressed by uzay a bit he flip-flopped on htg back to wolf despite their "eureka" moment previously
do note that the only CTRL+F of htg references uzay and poly's argument, which doesn't show much progression behind how he regressed to htg scumread other than "hey i read isos"
polypies73 wrote:you do realise i was joking about the null thing.
Feels liek your nitpicking at me cause you don't understand when i'm sreiosu or not

this causes their entire sequence to fall down

this rundown shows very inconsistent pattern of thinking, which means their thoughts about the game are heavily dissociated and are likely unnatural; they're likely making shit up as they go and hope it rolls


added bonus (but kinda reachy):
polypies73 wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:Explain Why Jackson is A bad wagon .
Seriously , If You cant explain , I Will Tunnel You for not answering any of my arguments about Jackson when thinking Jackson is A bad wagon without explaining Why .
You have 24 hours .

ok waste your time tunneling me rather than playing the game.

Jackson is bad wagon because it's easier to scumread them later, plus they're asily a better vengeful kill than lynch kill as they'll probably herovenge

this sounds like wolf mentality
stray venges aren't that much of a hindrance in the current threadstate
this sounds like cautious wolf trying to do damage control


wdyt
it's unfair of me to suddenly include quotes i didn't quote before lol

@poly


what
it's justa more detailed version of what you were saying.

I've already explained my thought process. if you think that's fake sure, but i don't see how i can respond further to what is legitamately the same argument over and over again

no it's not
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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - The Melted: Day 4

Postby TheWabbit » Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:48 am

SparkingJayYT wrote:
polypies73 wrote:sparking what are you reads.

i want to call you out for being under the radar but i'm not sure if that's true

Confirmed town: [SparkingJayYT]
Strong TR: [Hyena, Dota]
TR: [Poly]
Slight TR: [Uzay, Multi, Acidic, Michael]
Null: [Wabbit]

SR: Chemist, Et, Jackson, AlwaysNever (PoE), Google (PoE)

i love being the thin line that separates heaven from hell

also placing yourself as toptown is always a pet peeve of mine
i no longer push those but they're still incredibly annoying
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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - The Melted: Day 4

Postby TheWabbit » Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:48 am

SparkingJayYT wrote:Has Google been replaced yet?

no

let's lynch the slot
i'm still confident my w!google -> v!et read still stands
so it's info
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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - The Melted: Day 4

Postby TheWabbit » Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:49 am

polypies73 wrote:is chemist ok

no
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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - The Melted: Day 4

Postby TheWabbit » Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:50 am

dota2reporter wrote:htg's reads:

in theory, her townpeeks probably had a consistent read which didnt change throughout the game, and i think that's true for all traitors so i'll do the same with debil (like me, who's 100% her townpeek)

day 1:
trs chemist with explanation, tilted & jackson no explanation but switches jackson read (says jackson scum > et scum in terms of likelihood), then uzay with explanation

srs me, acidic and wabbit, votes watchme

day 2:

trs nobody??? how did i not notice this before wow im dumb

srs me, wabbit, is fine with voting jackson/et, uzay, votes 0ver

day 3:

trs chem i think? that's it lol

srs multi, me, michael, jackson, uzay, acidic, hyena

thefore i think that the townpeeks were:

chem and me


therefore possible townpeeks are:

aside from you as a plausible townpeek

i can't think of any other good candidates
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