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Re: Episode XIX | Day 4 (You probably expected a minecraft m

Postby Transcender » Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:09 pm

TrueGent wrote:xUltiix has been prodded for inactivity.

took long enough
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Re: Episode XIX | Day 4 (You probably expected a minecraft m

Postby EvilDeanius0 » Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:13 pm

Flake wrote:in what world does neutral ever risk a claim that bad

wabbit is either exactly mafia or town

Is there a name for a fallacy where someone argues that X would never say Y as scum, therefore X can't be scum, thereby making X saying Y as scum a valid move?
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Re: Episode XIX | Day 4 (You probably expected a minecraft m

Postby TrueGent » Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:29 pm

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Re: Episode XIX | Day 4 (You probably expected a minecraft m

Postby Chemist1422 » Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:31 pm

/vote Mario
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i guess this is goodbye?
(still here for danganronpa i guess)


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Re: Episode XIX | Day 4 (You probably expected a minecraft m

Postby MoustachioMario » Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:34 pm

Is it safe to assume witch prob know mafia by now?
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Re: Episode XIX | Day 4 (You probably expected a minecraft m

Postby roz1roz » Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:50 pm

EvilDeanius0 wrote:
Flake wrote:in what world does neutral ever risk a claim that bad

wabbit is either exactly mafia or town

Is there a name for a fallacy where someone argues that X would never say Y as scum, therefore X can't be scum, thereby making X saying Y as scum a valid move?


No true Scotsman.
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Re: Episode XIX | Day 4 (You probably expected a minecraft m

Postby MrChuckleteeth » Mon Sep 02, 2019 2:07 pm

TrueGent wrote:TheWabbit|4|ladd, Phone0Ix, Google, Chemist1422;MoustachioMario|3|MrChuckleteeth, dota2reporter, TheWabbit;dota2reporter|2|Flake, MrChuckleteeth;MrChuckleteeth|1|MoustachioMario
Not Voting: UzayAltay, EvilDeanius0, roz1roz, xUltiix, dota2reporter


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Re: Episode XIX | Day 4 (You probably expected a minecraft m

Postby MrChuckleteeth » Mon Sep 02, 2019 2:08 pm

Anyways I want a list of the current claims before I claim.
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Re: Episode XIX | Day 4 (You probably expected a minecraft m

Postby Transcender » Mon Sep 02, 2019 3:03 pm

take phont outta virtually confirmed
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Re: Episode XIX | Day 4 (You probably expected a minecraft m

Postby Transcender » Mon Sep 02, 2019 3:06 pm

Flake wrote:
Google wrote:take phont outta virtually confirmed

no

roz is higher on that
roz cc'd both tps
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Re: Episode XIX | Day 4 (You probably expected a minecraft m

Postby roz1roz » Mon Sep 02, 2019 3:07 pm

Flake wrote:
roz1roz wrote:
EvilDeanius0 wrote:
Flake wrote:in what world does neutral ever risk a claim that bad

wabbit is either exactly mafia or town

Is there a name for a fallacy where someone argues that X would never say Y as scum, therefore X can't be scum, thereby making X saying Y as scum a valid move?


No true Scotsman.

no it isn't at all


Right, true Scotsman was about changing PoV to keep the point going, yea.
My bad.
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Re: Episode XIX | Day 4 (You probably expected a minecraft m

Postby roz1roz » Mon Sep 02, 2019 3:09 pm

Flake wrote:Considering Phone0Ix as confirmed Bodyguard


Am I missing something?

I mean they claimed doused, but... anything else?
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Re: Episode XIX | Day 4 (You probably expected a minecraft m

Postby Transcender » Mon Sep 02, 2019 3:09 pm

roz1roz wrote:
EvilDeanius0 wrote:
Flake wrote:in what world does neutral ever risk a claim that bad

wabbit is either exactly mafia or town

Is there a name for a fallacy where someone argues that X would never say Y as scum, therefore X can't be scum, thereby making X saying Y as scum a valid move?


No true Scotsman.

someone say scotsman
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Re: Episode XIX | Day 4 (You probably expected a minecraft m

Postby Transcender » Mon Sep 02, 2019 3:10 pm

Flake wrote:
Flake wrote:
Google wrote:
Flake wrote:
Google wrote:take phont outta virtually confirmed

no

roz is higher on that
roz cc'd both tps

LOL no

also phone was the one to cc both tps

this is true but i have decide no
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Re: Episode XIX | Day 4 (You probably expected a minecraft m

Postby TheWabbit » Mon Sep 02, 2019 3:12 pm

roz1roz wrote:
MrChuckleteeth wrote:
Phone0Ix wrote:Roz claims bg and is checked cit

Does anybody else notice something strange?


Well it’s either Evan was laying cover for Roz or Roz is scum, I think.

But if Roz is scum why didn’t Evan push Roz?

Also, currently, there are 5 PR claims with 2 open RT slots. Those are myself (???), Wabbit (Sheriff), Roz (BG), Phone (BG) and Mario (Doc). Only one of those 3 TP claims is taking up the TP slot, meaning 2 PR claims are lying, potentially 3 if RT rolled Cit.

So everyone needs to claim and I’m claiming last to make sure we don’t get fucked by evils.


To be honest if roz is scum, why just not carry on with VT claim and be confirmed like... forever?

Cause duh... roz is not scum.

i like the audacity
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Re: Episode XIX | Day 4 (You probably expected a minecraft m

Postby Transcender » Mon Sep 02, 2019 3:14 pm

Flake wrote:
Google wrote:
Flake wrote:
Flake wrote:
Google wrote:
Flake wrote:
Google wrote:take phont outta virtually confirmed

no

roz is higher on that
roz cc'd both tps

LOL no

also phone was the one to cc both tps

this is true but i have decide no

if you think roz is in a mechanically better position than phone in the current gamestate then you are deluded

i hgnve decie o
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Re: Episode XIX | Day 4 (You probably expected a minecraft m

Postby MrChuckleteeth » Mon Sep 02, 2019 3:14 pm

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I am in fact a Citizen.

N1 Roleblocked, N3 Witched and Doused.
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18C - Citizen Loss
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Re: Episode XIX | Day 4 (You probably expected a minecraft m

Postby Transcender » Mon Sep 02, 2019 3:15 pm

Google wrote:
Flake wrote:
Google wrote:
Flake wrote:
Flake wrote:
Google wrote:
Flake wrote:
Google wrote:take phont outta virtually confirmed

no

roz is higher on that
roz cc'd both tps

LOL no

also phone was the one to cc both tps

this is true but i have decide no

if you think roz is in a mechanically better position than phone in the current gamestate then you are deluded

i hgnve decie o

idk if im having a stroke or just cannot wii u
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Re: Episode XIX | Day 4 (You probably expected a minecraft m

Postby Transcender » Mon Sep 02, 2019 3:16 pm

MrChuckleteeth wrote:Image

I am in fact a Citizen.

N1 Roleblocked, N3 Witched and Doused.

you are verified cit
this is big bruh blursed mafia
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Re: Episode XIX | Day 4 (You probably expected a minecraft m

Postby Chemist1422 » Mon Sep 02, 2019 3:22 pm

MrChuckleteeth wrote:Image

I am in fact a Citizen.

N1 Roleblocked, N3 Witched and Doused.

bruh moment
mist ~ she/her

i guess this is goodbye?
(still here for danganronpa i guess)


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Re: Episode XIX | Day 4 (You probably expected a minecraft m

Postby MrChuckleteeth » Mon Sep 02, 2019 4:09 pm

Sorry if you were expecting some huge reveal.

But I am not going to FPS any further.
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18B - Citizen Win
18C - Citizen Loss
VFM52 - Citizen Win
SFM60 - Traitor Win
18D - Potion Master Loss
VFM54 - Citizen Loss
CFM19 - Town Epic Gamer Loss
ToSFM3 - All Jester game.
NFM66 - Prankster Loss

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Re: Episode XIX | Day 4 (You probably expected a minecraft m

Postby roz1roz » Mon Sep 02, 2019 4:18 pm

MrChuckleteeth wrote:Image

I am in fact a Citizen.

N1 Roleblocked, N3 Witched and Doused.


I hopped you caught up what I want to do and are doing what I am doing.
I'm not disapointed.

I'm cit as well.
Not that it's a big surprise.

So unless RT rolled cit, all PR claims are legit.
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Re: Episode XIX | Day 4 (You probably expected a minecraft m

Postby MrChuckleteeth » Mon Sep 02, 2019 4:33 pm

Flake wrote:
roz1roz wrote:
MrChuckleteeth wrote:Image

I am in fact a Citizen.

N1 Roleblocked, N3 Witched and Doused.


I hopped you caught up what I want to do and are doing what I am doing.
I'm not disapointed.

I'm cit as well.
Not that it's a big surprise.

So unless RT rolled cit, all PR claims are legit.

yeah i kind of caught on to what you were doing after my like 3rd time of asking you for night actions lol


@roz

Kind of. I knew Evan wasn't lying about their check on you, and that if you stuck to your claim, I'd probably end up lynching you and backpedaling on my argument, saying that you took the opportunity to use my argument as cover and that you were never Bodyguard, you were in fact the Godfather lying about being Bodyguard. I just didn't know if you were the Godfather or a VT.

I hope this doesn't bite my in the ass later.
NFM65 - Investigator Win
18B - Citizen Win
18C - Citizen Loss
VFM52 - Citizen Win
SFM60 - Traitor Win
18D - Potion Master Loss
VFM54 - Citizen Loss
CFM19 - Town Epic Gamer Loss
ToSFM3 - All Jester game.
NFM66 - Prankster Loss

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Re: Episode XIX | Day 4 (You probably expected a minecraft m

Postby roz1roz » Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:09 pm

MrChuckleteeth wrote:
Flake wrote:
roz1roz wrote:
MrChuckleteeth wrote:Image

I am in fact a Citizen.

N1 Roleblocked, N3 Witched and Doused.


I hopped you caught up what I want to do and are doing what I am doing.
I'm not disapointed.

I'm cit as well.
Not that it's a big surprise.

So unless RT rolled cit, all PR claims are legit.

yeah i kind of caught on to what you were doing after my like 3rd time of asking you for night actions lol


@roz

Kind of. I knew Evan wasn't lying about their check on you, and that if you stuck to your claim, I'd probably end up lynching you and backpedaling on my argument, saying that you took the opportunity to use my argument as cover and that you were never Bodyguard, you were in fact the Godfather lying about being Bodyguard. I just didn't know if you were the Godfather or a VT.

I hope this doesn't bite my in the ass later.


I mean, this whole mayhem was planned, you know?
Remember who gave you the stepping stone to claim PR?

That's why I needed medium-high WIM and ability players. Most of VTs would take the situation and try to tank a few scum actions/kill.
Like you did.

That's also real reason why I dislike Uzay. Cause he didn't play to music I gave him, despite seeming WIM and active enough to do it.

Remember me talking about Russian vs American style mafia?
I think Wabbit or Google wanted me to expand on it before.

That is the difference.
American style is about scumhunting. Pretty much that.
Russian style is way more developped, requiring good defensive, offensive and supportive play.
What you saw here was more supportive, baiting scum into incorrect actions. Rarely used even in mafia clubs following this style, due to them disliking high-powered setups.
And tbh no wonder, high powered setups suck hard in real life mafia.

@Wabbit - this style also requiers full control of own appearance in game. So yes, you are not right about own image not mattering in game.
If I was scummy, noone would want to follow the song I play.

Did I scumhunt this game? Tbh, no.
Did I project myself as town? Yes
Did my trick work in town favor?

You tell me.

We got 3 pretty much confirmed PRs, with most scum locking themselves into PoE, which is already small enough.

Yep, I like this outcome.
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Re: Episode XIX | Day 4 (You probably expected a minecraft m

Postby roz1roz » Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:19 pm

Flake, ladd, Chemist, dota, Uzay, Google, ED, Ultiix, me, Chuckle

Let's take out Chuckle and me.

Flake, ladd, Chemist, dota, Uzay, Google, ED, Ultiix

Good PoE, considering there is mechanically 4 to 5 scum among it.

dota being doused is nice addition.
Google was checked NS by Wabbit, also not bad.
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