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Postby OxbowSnake25 » Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:33 pm

hey again im sorry but these roles are stupid as heck, can you get better roles and take executioner and jester or they are just boring and unfair
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Re: better roles than exe and jester

Postby shapesifter13 » Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:38 pm

Those are actually my two favorite roles, and they play an important part in game balance. Jester claims or faking Jester is important as it allows for potential punishment for hanging the wrong person. The Exe gives something for the bad guys to claim the investigative roles are.
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Re: better roles than exe and jester

Postby OxbowSnake25 » Thu Dec 03, 2015 2:19 pm

look its just my opinion this is why one day im going make this game again with out the stupid ass roles such as executioner, serial killer and mafia and get better roles meaning a newer version
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Re: better roles than exe and jester

Postby Nellyfox » Thu Dec 03, 2015 2:24 pm

Moving to Suggestions.

If these roles were taken out only NE would be witch. Jester and Executioner cause doubt and can be fun.
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Re: better roles than exe and jester

Postby VoidRuler » Thu Dec 03, 2015 2:26 pm

shapesifter13 wrote:Those are actually my two favorite roles, and they play an important part in game balance. Jester claims or faking Jester is important as it allows for potential punishment for hanging the wrong person. The Exe gives something for the bad guys to claim the investigative roles are.

^ This.

I had a game yesterday where the mafia won because the Godfather claimed/acted like Jester.
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Re: better roles than exe and jester

Postby theo07 » Thu Dec 03, 2015 2:36 pm

OxbowSnake25 wrote:look its just my opinion this is why one day im going make this game again with out the stupid ass roles such as executioner, serial killer and mafia and get better roles meaning a newer version



Without mafia,sk?Really? Good luck.

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Re: better roles than exe and jester

Postby EmeraldSpashu » Thu Dec 03, 2015 3:42 pm

OxbowSnake25 wrote:look its just my opinion this is why one day im going make this game again with out the stupid ass roles such as executioner, serial killer and mafia and get better roles meaning a newer version

Great idea if you don't like fun.
I think ill stay here.
With all the fun things.
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Re: better roles than exe and jester

Postby Alzar » Thu Dec 03, 2015 4:40 pm

Have fun making your Mafia game that doesn't have a Mafia...?
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Re: better roles than exe and jester

Postby 123nano » Thu Dec 03, 2015 8:42 pm

This is the epitome of a horrible suggestion as it shows no real reason of why this should be done! Your opinion is not gonna change anything in this game!
You also say you are gonna make your own game without mafia!? Are you kidding me these types of games are based on Mafia the party game see there is no way to make a game like this without adding the "stupid" faction! By all means try to make a game like this without those "stupid" roles because if you don't like this game get out!
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Re: better roles than exe and jester

Postby VoidRuler » Fri Dec 04, 2015 1:15 am

Town VS. Arson or WW would literally be the worst game.

With only one or two evil against the town, it'd be too easy for the Town to win.

I believe the game you aren't looking for is not Town of Salem, but this:
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Re: better roles than exe and jester

Postby Ansem555 » Fri Dec 04, 2015 1:34 am

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Re: better roles than exe and jester

Postby orangeandblack5 » Fri Dec 04, 2015 9:14 am

Honestly, I kind of half agree. Jester and Executioner are terrible Neutral Evil roles.

However, they aren't bad roles overall by any means. Doing something to make them more anti-Town or moving them to Neutral Benign are the best options. Having Exe die after hanging its target is also a very good idea. All they really do right now is stall and force kingmakers. This is bad for the game in the end, no matter how much disruption they cause in chat among casual players.
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Re: better roles than exe and jester

Postby TrueGent » Fri Dec 04, 2015 9:23 am

Jester is a garbage role that hurts the games balance at its core.
Exe is decent. It needs to be tweaked a bit so its not a permanent king-maker 90% of the time but its a decent enough role.
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Re: better roles than exe and jester

Postby OxbowSnake25 » Fri Dec 04, 2015 10:07 am

i just dont think you need a group of killers
and i would no say take off sk if escort and jailor didnt die when they either jail or escort him/her so thats why i want that to change
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Re: better roles than exe and jester

Postby Alzar » Fri Dec 04, 2015 10:08 am

You... don't need a group of killers?

So... what would the Town be against, if you removed the entire Mafia?
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Re: better roles than exe and jester

Postby OxbowSnake25 » Fri Dec 04, 2015 10:11 am

well i would create better people as killers but not as a group so
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Re: better roles than exe and jester

Postby Alzar » Fri Dec 04, 2015 10:12 am

That's not a game of Mafia at all, then. And Town of Salem is literally based on the Mafia party game, didn't you know?
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Re: better roles than exe and jester

Postby TrueGent » Fri Dec 04, 2015 10:13 am

OxbowSnake25 wrote:well i would create better people as killers but not as a group so

ah yes, the elusive "better people". Only the greatest series of roles.

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Re: better roles than exe and jester

Postby OxbowSnake25 » Fri Dec 04, 2015 10:13 am

erm no its not it did not say that when i got it so lying arse
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Re: better roles than exe and jester

Postby Alzar » Fri Dec 04, 2015 10:14 am

So, if you're going to make "a better game", why are you still posting here?
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Re: better roles than exe and jester

Postby OxbowSnake25 » Fri Dec 04, 2015 10:15 am

well im doing ict at college and level 2 does making games so when i finish level 1 i will go onto level 2
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Re: better roles than exe and jester

Postby Alzar » Fri Dec 04, 2015 10:16 am

Doesn't answer my question. What kind of better game could you make? And if it'd be so good, why are you still bothering to post here?
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Re: better roles than exe and jester

Postby OxbowSnake25 » Fri Dec 04, 2015 10:27 am

1. no exe and jester
2. better killing roles
3. if doing serial killer take off the sk kills escort and jailor when jailed and roleblocked
4 and remove the commit suicide on vigilante
5. and loads others
6. im not able to yet i'm not on the course with making games on but next year at college will be
7. and see what you actually do
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Re: better roles than exe and jester

Postby VoidRuler » Fri Dec 04, 2015 10:36 am

OxbowSnake25 wrote:1. no exe and jester
2. better killing roles
3. if doing serial killer take off the sk kills escort and jailor when jailed and roleblocked
4 and remove the commit suicide on vigilante
5. and loads others
6. im not able to yet i'm not on the course with making games on but next year at college will be
7. and see what you actually do


1. Please make an explanation of why you think the Executioner and Jester should be removed.
2. What type of "better killing roles"? Can you link me to some from the Role Ideas forum, or show me roles you made yourself?
3. Serial Killer is the best of the three Neutral Killings in my opinion. Arsonist is the worst, being as it's too slow and has just horrid Investigation results. Werewolf is meh, in the middle. Why take off that the SK kills Escort and Jailor? SK would be too powerful of a role if it didn't have it's drawbacks, considering it's the fastest of all NKs.
4. This punishes the Vigilante from shooting at random. If this was removed, Vigilante could just random shoot anyone he wanted in hopes of shooting an evil. The incentive of Vigi's bullets is to shoot when they have enough info that a player is scum.
5. "loads others" I don't know what you mean by this.
6. Then why are you making suggestions for this game without giving any type of explanation if you're making your own with these anyway? Plus, good luck with doing that as you have this and EpicMafia to compete with.
7. "and see what you actually do" I don't know what you mean by this either.
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Re: better roles than exe and jester

Postby shapesifter13 » Fri Dec 04, 2015 2:09 pm

I think you may be underestimating how much work goes into creating, advertising, and managing a game with multiple people working on it as well as gathering art from artists, coming up with new ideas to add to the game, as well as monetizing everything to be able to pay all of the people working on the game, as well as possibly working on new ideas to grow the company that you are creating.
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