Remove mafioso vs NK stalemate

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Remove mafioso vs NK stalemate

Postby rDelta » Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:34 pm

In mafioso vs an NK role in a 1v1, the NK can kill the mafioso unless they DC. So there is no reason to trigger the stalemate detector in those scenarios because there is no stalemate in the first place. The game should just progress as normal and the NK will have to kill the mafioso.
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Re: Remove mafioso vs NK stalemate

Postby Joacgroso » Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:54 pm

I agree. Winning with some oponents still alive is unsatisfying. The stalemate detector should only apply in certain cases. I know it triggers with gf vs. arso too, which is pointless.
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Re: Remove mafioso vs NK stalemate

Postby James2 » Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:02 pm

Agreed. Especially in Coven, where it's possible the Mafioso could have a trap on them, which would make the Mafioso the rightful winner.
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Re: Remove mafioso vs NK stalemate

Postby syjfwbaobfwl » Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:03 pm

Traps are a separate theme, but yeah its a shame that they are not considered in the detector because they can really reverse the game


And yeah the mafioso NK stalemate is also dumb
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Re: Remove mafioso vs NK stalemate

Postby alex1234321 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:32 pm

If there's no trap then the NK should just get the win imo. No reason to waste the extra 2 minutes waiting for the inevitable to happen. I like to stick around when I die and I'd rather not have to wait extra time to collect my loss.
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Re: Remove mafioso vs NK stalemate

Postby Joacgroso » Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:40 pm

I think games are more satisfying when only one faction remains. But the thing is that if the game only continues when there is a trap, then NKs will know wheter the last player is trapped or not, which will lead to them stalling the game for 3 more days.
Joacgroso wrote:I feel like I went from Light Yagami to Keiichi Maebara.

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Re: Remove mafioso vs NK stalemate

Postby James2 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:17 pm

As a general principle, a killer who chooses to draw because they fear possible death should lose.

In the abstract, I don't have a problem with ending games early when the outcome is mechanically certain. But in practice I'm against it, since the level of care required to correctly predict the outcomes is not and has never been observed.
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Re: Remove mafioso vs NK stalemate

Postby cob709 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:14 pm

alex1234321 wrote:If there's no trap then the NK should just get the win imo. No reason to waste the extra 2 minutes waiting for the inevitable to happen. I like to stick around when I die and I'd rather not have to wait extra time to collect my loss.

But they would know there's a trap if the stalemate detector doesn't goes off, which isn't fair to the trapper and the trapee.
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Re: Remove mafioso vs NK stalemate

Postby rDelta » Thu Jun 17, 2021 12:45 pm

cob709 wrote:
alex1234321 wrote:If there's no trap then the NK should just get the win imo. No reason to waste the extra 2 minutes waiting for the inevitable to happen. I like to stick around when I die and I'd rather not have to wait extra time to collect my loss.

But they would know there's a trap if the stalemate detector doesn't goes off, which isn't fair to the trapper and the trapee.

But if the stalemate detector never triggers for NK vs mafioso, the NK wouldn't know if there is a trap or not.
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Re: Remove mafioso vs NK stalemate

Postby cob709 » Thu Jun 17, 2021 12:47 pm

rDelta wrote:
cob709 wrote:
alex1234321 wrote:If there's no trap then the NK should just get the win imo. No reason to waste the extra 2 minutes waiting for the inevitable to happen. I like to stick around when I die and I'd rather not have to wait extra time to collect my loss.

But they would know there's a trap if the stalemate detector doesn't goes off, which isn't fair to the trapper and the trapee.

But if the stalemate detector never triggers for NK vs mafioso, the NK wouldn't know if there is a trap or not.

Exactly
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Re: Remove mafioso vs NK stalemate

Postby Joacgroso » Thu Jun 17, 2021 1:53 pm

Of course, there's also the option to make the trapped person automatically win instead of the NK.
Joacgroso wrote:I feel like I went from Light Yagami to Keiichi Maebara.

I still hope one day the game will have private lobbies. They would really help.
Also, please nerf vampire hunters.
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Re: Remove mafioso vs NK stalemate

Postby syjfwbaobfwl » Thu Jun 17, 2021 5:05 pm

Joacgroso wrote:Of course, there's also the option to make the trapped person automatically win instead of the NK.


Thats what I was thinking
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Re: Remove mafioso vs NK stalemate

Postby Joacgroso » Thu Jun 17, 2021 5:15 pm

That seems like the logical choice, though as I said I think it's more satisfying if the game finishes properly instead.
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I still hope one day the game will have private lobbies. They would really help.
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